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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 20:58:08 GMT 1
So do you think he started his gift card business wishing something would happen, please God fingers crossed, I'm going to start a business and hope I win the lottery Or did he do that with something called a business plan??!!!?!?!?!?!? 😁 Show me where Dean said he expects to gain promotion to the Premier League. You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right.
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Post by ponteterrier on Apr 10, 2019 21:00:16 GMT 1
Show me where Dean said he expects to gain promotion to the Premier League. You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. You know nothing. Jon snow.
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:00:34 GMT 1
Would he piss himself at the idea? Probably pissing himself at you thinking the shite served up this season has you buying your season ticket next season The benevolent overlord 😁 making profit and big bank Get outside your DATM bubble, mate. You'll be amazed at who doesn't agree with youWell, that is one point you are certainly right on, must be thousands and thousands of those Leeds fans who agree with you A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA must be a Leeds fan!!!!! 😊 No, just not conned like you. Imagine you going into negotiations with clients. Pants pulled down and over your head. You'd come out grinning with a lollipop thinking you'd struck deal of the century.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 10, 2019 21:03:46 GMT 1
Show me where Dean said he expects to gain promotion to the Premier League. You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. All different types of people on this board but you are making yourself look a bit of a pumper.
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:04:49 GMT 1
You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. All different types of people on this board but you are making yourself look a bit of a pumper. Shut up and buy your season card for next year, pumper You're out of pocket. He ain't. 😁
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 10, 2019 21:06:25 GMT 1
All different types of people on this board but you are making yourself look a bit of a pumper. Shut up and buy your season card for next year, pumper You're out of pocket. He ain't. 😁 No I’m not. See, you don’t know everything do you.
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:08:29 GMT 1
You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. You know nothing. Jon snow. I probably know a lot more than you. And Jon Snow
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:10:15 GMT 1
Shut up and buy your season card for next year, pumper You're out of pocket. He ain't. 😁 No I’m not. See, you don’t know everything do you. Wahey! Not getting ya money back,.mate! He is! And then some! It's cool. Great 10 years. Cocked up this season, though. See where we are in another 10 years, mate, eh. Some blinkered people on here that's for sure.
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Post by ponteterrier on Apr 10, 2019 21:11:21 GMT 1
You know nothing. Jon snow. I probably know a lot more than you. And Jon Snow See, saying it like that. Makes anyone belive you don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 21:11:59 GMT 1
Show me where Dean said he expects to gain promotion to the Premier League. You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. Put up or shut up,
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Post by TheLightningBomber on Apr 10, 2019 21:15:00 GMT 1
Just come on DATM for the first time in a while. See nothing has changed.
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:16:58 GMT 1
You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. Put up or shut up, Take action or stop talking about it... I won't stop talking about it, pal. Take action? Bit more serious that, innit. Depends on what you mean, really. Lots of implications there.
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:17:15 GMT 1
Just come on DATM for the first time in a while. See nothing has changed. Are you not entertained!
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 10, 2019 21:17:21 GMT 1
You lot on DATM are always claiming to be in the know. So, you should know..Or you should know people who are aware of Dean Hoyle's plans and ambitious from the very beginning. I'm right. All different types of people on this board but you are making yourself look a bit of a pumper. Haemorrhoid Pumper ?
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Post by gymroidspump on Apr 10, 2019 21:17:49 GMT 1
I probably know a lot more than you. And Jon Snow See, saying it like that. Makes anyone belive you don't. Not really bothered mate. Google is your friend
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 21:37:01 GMT 1
Its a long way from being a £20m training ground at the moment isn’t it...it’s a £2m training ground with the potential to become a £20m training ground. So...If someone/something is going through the process of buying the club and Canalside (Dean is documented to have said that the 40% stadium shares that the club holds would be moved into trust (which hasn’t happened yet) ahead of a sale of the club, and that Canalside would be available either for ‘reasonable rent’ or could form part of the overall package), I doubt anything other than the book value plus possibly some of the shareholder debt of Canalside would be met...so some amount probably around £1.5m would secure its ownership. It’s likely a relative formality, but no decision has been made on the planning application as yet...so there’s not even a guarantee that it will be ALLOWED to transform into a £20m facility. www.kirklees.gov.uk/beta/planning-applications/search-for-planning-applications/detail.aspx?id=2018/93740I think it has because they're already building it! canal side is going a head and as far as a take over is concerned I think some or getting ahead of themselves. I fully expect dean to be owner next season
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 21:37:49 GMT 1
Take action or stop talking about it... I won't stop talking about it, pal. Take action? Bit more serious that, innit. Depends on what you mean, really. Lots of implications there. Not really, you made a statement which was a blatant lie. If you disagree then show where Dean Hoyle said he expected to take the club to the Premier League. Either put up or shut up or carry on I'm out.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 10, 2019 22:43:33 GMT 1
I'm an accountant, so yes. He cleverly setup his loans so that when we into administration the value owed to him quadrupled, i.e. far more than he ever put in to the club. He could therefore use this inflated write off to reduce his tax bill in the following years. The net impact bring that he didn't lose a penny from his entire involvement in Town. Whilst we suffered enormously for his reckless gambles. So I always bristle when people suggest Rubery was benevolent in some way when we reached our darkest hour. He was nothing of the sort. You'll have to excuse my simpleton Q's, but are you saying that Rubery essentially invested along the lines of a VC and therefore anticipated an inflated return (presumably baked into some clause if administration/liquidation were to occur). Which he then used to inflate his supposed loss to get a better tax break on all his interests? So he puts in a hypothetical £1m, aims to return £5m, the £5m figure is the one used for tax write-offs and therefore benefits massively from money he neither invested, nor did he gain it as a tangible return? It all sounds like our accountancy laws are able to exploit so many loopholes and to the layman like myself they just appear to be almost openly fraudulent. I'm sure you'll explain if I've got that all wrong, that's how it comes across to me. It's not really accountancy, just a clause in the loan agreement that stipulated should town go into administration the value owed to him would quadruple. All sorts of clauses can be added if both parties agree - it's just in this instance the agreement was between Rubery and Rubery owned Town. It just gave him an insurance policy if the worst came to the worst, so credit to him for having some foresight at least. There's nothing dodgy about it to be fair. It's just not true to then view his actions as somehow being kind to Town.
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Post by runner76 on Apr 10, 2019 23:03:41 GMT 1
You'll have to excuse my simpleton Q's, but are you saying that Rubery essentially invested along the lines of a VC and therefore anticipated an inflated return (presumably baked into some clause if administration/liquidation were to occur). Which he then used to inflate his supposed loss to get a better tax break on all his interests? So he puts in a hypothetical £1m, aims to return £5m, the £5m figure is the one used for tax write-offs and therefore benefits massively from money he neither invested, nor did he gain it as a tangible return? It all sounds like our accountancy laws are able to exploit so many loopholes and to the layman like myself they just appear to be almost openly fraudulent. I'm sure you'll explain if I've got that all wrong, that's how it comes across to me. It's not really accountancy, just a clause in the loan agreement that stipulated should town go into administration the value owed to him would quadruple. All sorts of clauses can be added if both parties agree - it's just in this instance the agreement was between Rubery and Rubery owned Town. It just gave him an insurance policy if the worst came to the worst, so credit to him for having some foresight at least. There's nothing dodgy about it to be fair. It's just not true to then view his actions as somehow being kind to Town. I’m not an accountant. Thank fuck.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 10, 2019 23:33:01 GMT 1
What, so you think an owner saying he hopes to see the club back in the top flight means he 'invested' thinking that would happen? If you think it was likely, or even anything short of miraculous that HTFC got promoted to the prem then you understand very little about the game. You couldn;t be more wrong. Hoyle would piss himself at the idea he bought Town to make himself money! And im still wondering how you claim to have such knowledge of DHs bank balance too. Would he piss himself at the idea? Probably pissing himself at you thinking the shite served up this season has you buying your season ticket next season The benevolent overlord 😁 making profit and big bank Get outside your DATM bubble, mate. You'll be amazed at who doesn't agree with you Youre either a WUM, or just utterly clueless. Could be either, i don;t really care. If youre a WUM though, I think it would help to have at least a basic knowledge of the subject first. Try something simpler like the badge design. Baby steps sort of thing. Build up to more complex stuff like the business of owning football clubs and crucially, DO SOME RESEARCH first. You started off badly, and it just went downhill from there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 0:55:07 GMT 1
I dont actually know the ins and outs of it codd, my understanding was that money had been budgeted from TV revenue to pay for it (i've got limited knowledge on accounts and didnt really follow the thread so this might not be the case) guess my point wasnt so much about ownership, more the use of it. a prospective owner might not own it as an asset but nor would they have to stump up the cash to build one themselves. If dean is willing to rent it at reasonable rate, then if anything, that probably makes it more of an attractive proposition? as apposed to having to finance the construction of one/purchase it? As I said to Flying In A Blue Dream. Dean would probably prefer to rent. It’s far from clearcut what Deans probable preference is...sounds to me like he would sell if a fair offer was made, but he’s not in it for the investment and would happily provide a service for a nominal rent if that was the option needed to ensure whoever bought the club could make a good shot of it... “The PPG Canalside complex is owned by myself. If the club is ever sold, then the new owner has two options. They can either buy it from me, or they can rent it on very, very attractive terms for the benefit of the club. It’s that simple”www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-hoyle-how-huddersfield-town-9999881
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 11, 2019 7:07:31 GMT 1
You'll have to excuse my simpleton Q's, but are you saying that Rubery essentially invested along the lines of a VC and therefore anticipated an inflated return (presumably baked into some clause if administration/liquidation were to occur). Which he then used to inflate his supposed loss to get a better tax break on all his interests? So he puts in a hypothetical £1m, aims to return £5m, the £5m figure is the one used for tax write-offs and therefore benefits massively from money he neither invested, nor did he gain it as a tangible return? It all sounds like our accountancy laws are able to exploit so many loopholes and to the layman like myself they just appear to be almost openly fraudulent. I'm sure you'll explain if I've got that all wrong, that's how it comes across to me. It's not really accountancy, just a clause in the loan agreement that stipulated should town go into administration the value owed to him would quadruple. All sorts of clauses can be added if both parties agree - it's just in this instance the agreement was between Rubery and Rubery owned Town. It just gave him an insurance policy if the worst came to the worst, so credit to him for having some foresight at least. There's nothing dodgy about it to be fair. It's just not true to then view his actions as somehow being kind to Town. It is dodgy, if true. Even if it was legally valid, it's certainly not in the spirit of law.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 11, 2019 7:14:01 GMT 1
It's not really accountancy, just a clause in the loan agreement that stipulated should town go into administration the value owed to him would quadruple. All sorts of clauses can be added if both parties agree - it's just in this instance the agreement was between Rubery and Rubery owned Town. It just gave him an insurance policy if the worst came to the worst, so credit to him for having some foresight at least. There's nothing dodgy about it to be fair. It's just not true to then view his actions as somehow being kind to Town. It is dodgy, if true. Even if it was legally valid, it's certainly not in the spirit of law. Maybe the accountant who dreamt this up had to lie low in Dubai for a while afterwards 😀
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Post by Sabre on Apr 11, 2019 8:12:52 GMT 1
Obviously 😀. Nice to see somebody on here who seems to know what they're talking about. With the amount of s##t spouted on this site, presenting unfounded, knee-jerk opinion as fact, my comment questioning this would have been valid approximately 99% of the time! Only joking mate. 👍
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Apr 11, 2019 8:17:22 GMT 1
It's not really accountancy, just a clause in the loan agreement that stipulated should town go into administration the value owed to him would quadruple. All sorts of clauses can be added if both parties agree - it's just in this instance the agreement was between Rubery and Rubery owned Town. It just gave him an insurance policy if the worst came to the worst, so credit to him for having some foresight at least. There's nothing dodgy about it to be fair. It's just not true to then view his actions as somehow being kind to Town. It is dodgy, if true. Even if it was legally valid, it's certainly not in the spirit of law. It's was widely reported in the press at the time. From another perspective though, had he not had that clause in place he would have insisted on receiving the money owed and Town may not have been rescued.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 11, 2019 8:39:02 GMT 1
To be far to gym, gymroid or plain old Mr pump (whatever he prefers to be called), Dean did come out with the "buy a season ticket every season, when we get to the premier league the first ones £100". Not exactly a stated aim, but enough of a carrot to be dangled in front of the fans.
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Post by mids on Apr 11, 2019 10:33:47 GMT 1
It is dodgy, if true. Even if it was legally valid, it's certainly not in the spirit of law. It's was widely reported in the press at the time. From another perspective though, had he not had that clause in place he would have insisted on receiving the money owed and Town may not have been rescued. How very dare you In the style of Game of Thrones.... Kenneth of the House Davy, the First of His Name, The Unhinged, King of the Giants, the Fartowners and the First Supporters, King of Birkby, Khaleesi of the Huddersfield Sporting Landscape, Protector of the Stadium Shares, Lord Regent of the Four Stands, Breaker of Myopic Bigots and Father of Lies wouldn't have allowed this to happen....because he's so kind hearted and generous
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Post by est1908 on Apr 11, 2019 11:05:13 GMT 1
Just come on DATM for the first time in a while. See nothing has changed. Yup, same WUMs different usernames......
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 12:54:35 GMT 1
Had to bring this post from Deano back up. I remember it well. What a bloke and how far have we come since 2009? ==================================================================================================================== To be honest I find it all a little bit embarrassing, from keeping my head below the radar and sitting in the antich for years next to people who had no clue what I did to now seeing myself on billboards, when my wife saw it this morning on the way to Birstall she nearly crashed the car. A funny story from a few seasons ago, I sat next to a couple of lads in the antich for about 6 years and when they asked me what I did I always used to say I worked in greeting cards but never admitted I owned Card Factory, one day I went to a banking meeting with my bankers and these two guys were there representing the bank, when they said to me what are you doing here I replied I owned Card Factory, their faces were a picture, one of them said to me I thought you worked in a card shop not owned it!!. Everybody is working their backsides off to bring you a club and a team we can once again all be proud off. Deano. Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/1679/recent#ixzz5kmqqV7cZ
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