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Post by ponteterrier on Aug 5, 2019 21:59:30 GMT 1
We need an attacking LB and RB for the way Jan wants to play. Kongolo needs to be in the middle to force Elphick out and Flo needs to fuck off, he has not got a football brain other than being a speed merchant.
Bacuna had no clue this game. He either lost possession in daft places or picked passes which were easily cut out.
Mooy only came alive second half, as most of the team.
I won't have a go at schindler or Kach for their misses, at least we were in a position for those misses, I think it's a case of a the old monkey on the back as oppose to not having the quality as we know both players can do it at this level. Kachs face was a picture on sky when he missed that chance, it hurt.
After a decent pre season we have fallen into the old habits of last season. We are disjointed and not on the same page. To make matter worse, we are continuing in the same vein as the previous 3 seasons of not scoring many goals. The first 2 we got away with it. The third we didn't, will we the forth? I can see now why the likes of Sunderland went straight down.
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Post by kennyk2 on Aug 5, 2019 21:59:33 GMT 1
Lots of raw talent to work with there tonight. The team bust a gut and there was no lack of effort, but they were wanting it too much and looked really nervous in the first half. Brains were scrambled and quite often players weren't think straight, or just panicked (Schindler and Kachunga should have buried those chances - open goals).
Haderjonaj did well in the first half linking with Diakhaby, but not as well in the second when Diakhaby tired. Kachunga didn't play well with Haderjonaj down that right flank - too much running around in circles.
It looks as though Haderjonaj will be the scapegoat again this season - if players aren't going to come and support him, he needs crossing practice.
The most important player that we have signed this season will probably be the goalkeeper.
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 5, 2019 21:59:45 GMT 1
Love to know your positive opinion on this Another poor defensive error, capitalised on brilliantly, then a wonder goal. That gave Derby the opportunity to control the game from then on, even after our goal. They were time wasting, doing their best to suggest the pitch was like an ice rink. We took the game to them first 15 of the second half, but then went a bit flat & Derby saw it out. That 15 min spell and some other parts of the performance suggest to me that we'll be OK, we're far more positive. We need to get a result Sat to make sure the mental side of the game doesn't act like a team-wide hamstring injury. No. It was 3 defensive errors in a row. Elphick fucking about, Grabara failing to clear and Elphick not getting straight back to the line the moment Grabara fucked his clearance. The second was a good strike, but no wonder goal. Absolute, abject shit for 25 minutes. Followed by over an hour of game chasing and toothless offense. Tibet poses more threat that Flo in a crossing position and Mooy was down right shit all of the first half.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 5, 2019 22:00:27 GMT 1
I was watching the game, he was anonymous. Anonymous? I reckon he probably had the most touches in our team. If you think he played badly, fine, I don't, but he sure was anonymous. I didn't even realise he was playing for about half an hour. I love the bloke and have defended him on here but he did nothing tonight.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 5, 2019 22:01:36 GMT 1
Another poor defensive error, capitalised on brilliantly, then a wonder goal. That gave Derby the opportunity to control the game from then on, even after our goal. They were time wasting, doing their best to suggest the pitch was like an ice rink. We took the game to them first 15 of the second half, but then went a bit flat & Derby saw it out. That 15 min spell and some other parts of the performance suggest to me that we'll be OK, we're far more positive. We need to get a result Sat to make sure the mental side of the game doesn't act like a team-wide hamstring injury. Don5 worry the sage otium has told us the mental side isn't important Interesting. So in that case we're going to get relegated, right? Or do you think we might just hold on to Div 2 status? (After one game, LOL)
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Post by mossleyric on Aug 5, 2019 22:02:00 GMT 1
It was worrying that Derby seemed a class above us. The result wouldn't be so bad if they'd nicked a lucky winner on the counter attack, but they looked so much better than us in the 1st half, and then they killed the game off, and aside from the first 5 mins of the 2nd half and the Kachunga chance we never looked close to scoring. I know we were statistically on top in the 2nd half, but that was as much down to Derby choosing to shut up shop.
Don't get me wrong here, I know you can't look too much into the first game of the season. But it just felt like deja vu from the 2nd half of last season. We seemed to approach the game like we were playing a top premier league team, we were nervously hoofing the ball forward at the start of the game as if we were expecting an onslaught from a team like City or Liverpool. Derby are obviously no soft touches but we should have come out trying to dominate the game and take charge early on, we sat back and handed them the initiative.
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 5, 2019 22:02:34 GMT 1
Look Hogg was immense Mooy appalling in first half, Bacuna one smart turn but gave the ball away far too much Diakaby Athlete quick but not a footballer Elphick needs replacing League 2 at best, id put Kongolo there and Brockhorn wide Goalkeeper looks ok Grant again the service to him poor we are obsessed going wide and trying to go around them,but the wide players deliveries rubbish Pritchard and Schindler two of the better performer BROWN ? KOROMA? Lawrence be amazed if he's at Derby day after transfer deadline day Hogg was immense? You're having a giraffe. Look ive been his greatest critic and yeah he gave the ball away a couple of times but he broke up shit loads whilst Mooy and Bacuna did little in trying to close down Lawrence and the other Derby midfield, without him it would have been much worse
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Post by ponteterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:03:07 GMT 1
He was our top man for assists in our first season in the PL, he's not as shit as people think. Oh yes he is!! He's not, you're forgetting Shef Wednesday away, plat off semi final. Them twats over there are still having nightmares over super Col. No way I would have brought him on inplace of grant though.
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Post by thomo on Aug 5, 2019 22:03:18 GMT 1
Sounds like another poor performance for Jan. He deserves another 4 games but we have to turn the corner very quickly now. Extremely disappointed to hear we’ve lost our first game at home and have failed to score from open play. Never mind calls for a left back, where are goals coming from?
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Post by buckers on Aug 5, 2019 22:03:21 GMT 1
Same old same old. Too slow in possession.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:03:22 GMT 1
And what did we do in 90 minutes? That was bloody garbage! Schindler chance, Kachunga chance second half. Mooy just past the post. From memory all they had was that very tepid header from Waghorn and a threatening cross. Haderjonaj needs to get his feet in order a little quicker though, wasted too many good chances to cross the ball quickly. For God's sake we were the home team, you think 3 chances (all missed) is good enough? Derby won without breaking sweat!
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Post by space hardware on Aug 5, 2019 22:04:49 GMT 1
Hogg was immense? You're having a giraffe. Look ive been his greatest critic and yeah he gave the ball away a couple of times but he broke up shit loads whilst Mooy and Bacuna did little in trying to close down Lawrence and the other Derby midfield, without him it would have been much worse They walked through the centre of our midfield in the first half!
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Post by arry11 on Aug 5, 2019 22:04:50 GMT 1
Just seen second goal. Grabara went with his wrong hand. Shocking for a supposed top keeper. You need to watch it again no chance of getting anywhere near it with his other hand.
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:04:54 GMT 1
When I saw Kachunga come on instead of O'Brien or Koroma, that was the game for me.
Elias, god love him, shouldn't play again for us unless injury forces it. Offering nothing.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 5, 2019 22:05:22 GMT 1
That still looked like a divided squad to me. Talented players playing as bad as that is a sign that something isn't quite right Been the same since Jan came in. Upset all the players and they’ve had no respect for him since. Players have the power these days rightly or wrongly and they are not playing for Jan. No evidence of that at all tonight, but don't let it distract you from your obvious agenda. Geez I forgot about the kneejerkiness of a meaningful gameday thread. A disappointing 90 minutes for sure but FFS it is one game and a stupid error was the gamechanger - if that becomes a trend going forward then it is time to worry, onto QPR!
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Post by htfc1984 on Aug 5, 2019 22:05:34 GMT 1
When I saw Kachunga come on instead of O'Brien or Koroma, that was the game for me. Elias, god love him, shouldn't play again for us unless injury forces it. Offering nothing. Koroma would have struggled to come on from the players lounge
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:05:45 GMT 1
Love to know your positive opinion on this Another poor defensive error, capitalised on brilliantly, then a wonder goal. That gave Derby the opportunity to control the game from then on, even after our goal. They were time wasting, doing their best to suggest the pitch was like an ice rink. We took the game to them first 15 of the second half, but then went a bit flat & Derby saw it out. That 15 min spell and some other parts of the performance suggest to me that we'll be OK, we're far more positive. We need to get a result Sat to make sure the mental side of the game doesn't act like a team-wide hamstring injury. Still wondering where the positive is in this response? If the most we can grasp is a 15 minute period at home, I fear for us. 3+ seasons we’ve been inept going forward, you would think we might concentrate on that. Flo is useless. Kongolo is a CB. Echo. Echo. Echoooo.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:05:47 GMT 1
Schindler chance, Kachunga chance second half. Mooy just past the post. From memory all they had was that very tepid header from Waghorn and a threatening cross. Haderjonaj needs to get his feet in order a little quicker though, wasted too many good chances to cross the ball quickly. For God's sake we were the home team, you think 3 chances (all missed) is good enough? Derby won without breaking sweat!
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Post by TTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:06:18 GMT 1
No. They have a way of playing under Warnock which they’ve had for 3 years. Sometimes teams lose games. What’s our style of play? If you want to see how a 4-3-3 is executed to a high a standard, watch Liverpool next week.. How was it executed tonight? I’m more of a fan of playing your best players in their best positions. How about starting with our 18m centre back, playing centre back. Or our best player starting in CM. Or playing a a guy in Pritchard who’s only played 10 in his career, at, no 10. Especially when it’s a league which he’s thrived in. Find it really silly to compare it to a club that’s spent hundreds of millions and had one of the top 3 managers in the world who’s spent 3 seasons training them for that formation
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Post by impact on Aug 5, 2019 22:06:46 GMT 1
He's not, you're forgetting Shef Wednesday away, plat off semi final. Them twats over there are still having nightmares over super Col. No way I would have brought him on inplace of grant though. Here's the thing. We seemingly left Elphick on for aerial presence, otherwise take him off and go 2 up front. Then we get a free kick in their half in injury time and choose not to smash it into the box. So what the fuck was the reason we kept 2 centre halves on with 4 mins of injury time to go?
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Post by ponteterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:06:51 GMT 1
Sounds like another poor performance for Jan. He deserves another 4 games but we have to turn the corner very quickly now. Extremely disappointed to hear we’ve lost our first game at home and have failed to score from open play. Never mind calls for a left back, where are goals coming from? Grant is a lively, creative player with plenty of flair but even he looked isolated today, maybe we've been too harsh on mounie
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Post by keithAM11532 on Aug 5, 2019 22:07:32 GMT 1
That still looked like a divided squad to me. Talented players playing as bad as that is a sign that something isn't quite right I agree, for one reason or another, this squad has no cohesion to it. The players just do not gel. Trouble is you can't thro out half the team and start again. Big uphill task for the coaching staff here.
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Post by froggyterrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:07:34 GMT 1
When I saw Kachunga come on instead of O'Brien or Koroma, that was the game for me. Elias, god love him, shouldn't play again for us unless injury forces it. Offering nothing. Koroma would have struggled to come on from the players lounge That's my point! Why the hell wasn't he an option from the bench in case we were behind! Why the bloody hell did we decide Kachunga would offer more of a threat!?
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 5, 2019 22:08:03 GMT 1
Gave the ball away cheaply(like everyone else) and at one point in the second half he stood blaming another player for his sloppy pass, Derby had their best chance in the 2nd half from it. Almost cost us a goal. Apart from that he was immense 😂😂 You want to scapegoat Hogg what about the others then Mooy Bacuna Elphick Haderjonaj did they play better
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Post by peace on Aug 5, 2019 22:08:05 GMT 1
I cant believe a team from the premier league for two years has this team on display....
There is no identity to the way you guys play, your players have no idea what to do or what the plan is going forward, you run into space and then just lose the ball.
You have an aged CB in Elphick and have wasted money on those forward players who simply dont look good enough.
Players were gassing in the first half never mind the second half, you have to ask where the money has gone!
League 1 striker up top isolated- gonna be a long season
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Post by drumriggend on Aug 5, 2019 22:08:48 GMT 1
Tbh..
We were shite..
Elphick slow as a boat..
Flo..
Never seen a footballer.
Bacuna..
All over the place..
I told my mate after 10 mins..
Their no 10 was getting too much space...
He was the best player on pitch by a mile..
Its gonna be a long season..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 22:10:05 GMT 1
Been the same since Jan came in. Upset all the players and they’ve had no respect for him since. Players have the power these days rightly or wrongly and they are not playing for Jan. No evidence of that at all tonight, but don't let it distract you from your obvious agenda. Geez I forgot about the kneejerkiness of a meaningful gameday thread. A disappointing 90 minutes for sure but FFS it is one game and a stupid error was the gamechanger - if that becomes a trend going forward then it is time to worry, onto QPR! Come on man. Why the loyalty for this chump, he’s out of his depth. It happens to the best of us. He’s clueless. His team reflects him- wish washy, lacking in direction. Laid back. Football is a simple game. What the hell have we done on the training pitch all summer? It has never felt like the right appointment. It’s a mistake to carry on with him.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Aug 5, 2019 22:10:08 GMT 1
It's an established fact of life that if Jonathan Hogg plays in a football game for any amount of time, someone somewhere will think he absolutely ran the show
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 5, 2019 22:10:33 GMT 1
Tbh.. We were shite.. Elphick slow as a boat.. Flo.. Never seen a footballer. Bacuna.. All over the place.. I told my mate after 10 mins.. Their no 10 was getting too much space... He was the best player on pitch by a mile.. Its gonna be a long season.. 🥴 This post gave me some sort of disease
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 22:11:54 GMT 1
I cant believe a team from the premier league for two years has this team on display.... There is no identity to the way you guys play, your players have no idea what to do or what the plan is going forward, you run into space and then just lose the ball. You have an aged CB in Elphick and have wasted money on those forward players who simply dont look good enough. Players were gassing in the first half never mind the second half, you have to ask where the money has gone! League 1 striker up top isolated- gonna be a long season Can’t even argue with the derby/leeds etc wum can we.
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