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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 5, 2019 23:17:32 GMT 1
This game came down to the coaches. They settled quick and moved our backline all over the fucking shop. The gap between our centre halves was schoolboy stuff but what was worse, was that nobody got hold of Lawrence. He's a good little player with space and time and we gave him acres of grass for over half an hour. Shocking stuff. Second half was worrying. They retreated 5/10 yards and we ran out of ideas. It was a tough, but predictable watch.
Jan worries me. I don't want him gone yet but I'd like to see him take control of a game. Play players in the correct positions, get them to back each other and take the game to the opposition. We have a bit of aggression in Hoggy but it bloody infuriates me when I see lads pulling out of challenges.
Early days but we have a hell of a lot to think about. I'm trying to stay positive about Flo but he is testing me already. I need him to be told that he can drive into the box on occasions, rather than cross to their centre half.
Cheers all, goodnight!
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Post by Giggity on Aug 5, 2019 23:18:43 GMT 1
Different season, same old problems. Slow, ponderous and zero threat from open play.
I have seen enough from Siewert already. He is not the answer. We will do a Sunderland if we don't get rid.
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Post by ben1987 on Aug 5, 2019 23:19:29 GMT 1
Keeper was already in no means land thanks to the Elphicks error, he had no option but to head it. What I’m saying is that Hamer would have been slaughtered for doing the same. He got slaughtered for letting 6 goals in away at City last season, how many would City have scored tonight against this shower of shit? When are you going to stop noncing on Hamer? It’s getting really fucking weird now.
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Post by townrwe on Aug 5, 2019 23:19:35 GMT 1
Tommy Elthick. Clue is in his name. I'm really trying to get the anagram from his name but I'm missing some letters to get FUCKING USELESS.
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Post by terrier2019 on Aug 5, 2019 23:22:20 GMT 1
from what i saw tonight 4-3-3 wont work with the players we have.last season we got beaten by nearly everybody.our confidence and mentality is different.i though we where beaten by a mediocre team tonight we looked devoided off ideas.we should have ad a mass clear out end season.where stuck with same team apart from a few additions.and there mentality is to lose they cant help it
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Post by Giggity on Aug 5, 2019 23:22:38 GMT 1
And what has happened to the press? We made Keogh look like Hummels. Our midfield was non existent too. The whole set up and tactics were a shambles.
There will be a lot harder games than Derby this season. They weren't great but we looked shocking next to them. A competent team would have exploited the massive holes in their defence on the counter. I didn't think we could get worse than last season but we have.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Aug 5, 2019 23:36:08 GMT 1
We were a great team We weren’t individually great My argument was never about wins, it was about goals scored. Still doesn't matter... Look at a 46 game season. W =30 games (all by a 1-0 margin), L = 16 games (all by a 2-0 margin), net result; 90 pts, -2GD
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Post by willo on Aug 5, 2019 23:36:46 GMT 1
Wasn’t there tonight & didn’t watch it but reading all the stuff on here & hearing from folk who were there it sounds like absolutely nothing has changed from last season! Just exactly what have we been doing this close season? Have any of last season’s frailties been addressed? Why on earth haven’t we been out & spent a bit of money on some pro’s that know this league? Why no striker to compete or even play with Grant (Mounie is NOT the answer). Very early days admittedly but still worrying. I’m expecting nothing from the QPR game and then it’s the cup game against lower league opposition. 3 defeats from 3 would be enough for me to pull the plug and start again with a coach with experience of managing in the English leagues. Least I have 10 more days of Mallorcan sunshine to enjoy 😎
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Post by thongsbridge on Aug 5, 2019 23:45:15 GMT 1
No passion in the team... Barnsley got the right German.
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Post by wigster on Aug 5, 2019 23:45:56 GMT 1
This game came down to the coaches. They settled quick and moved our backline all over the fucking shop. The gap between our centre halves was schoolboy stuff but what was worse, was that nobody got hold of Lawrence. He's a good little player with space and time and we gave him acres of grass for over half an hour. Shocking stuff. Second half was worrying. They retreated 5/10 yards and we ran out of ideas. It was a tough, but predictable watch. Jan worries me. I don't want him gone yet but I'd like to see him take control of a game. Play players in the correct positions, get them to back each other and take the game to the opposition. We have a bit of aggression in Hoggy but it bloody infuriates me when I see lads pulling out of challenges. Early days but we have a hell of a lot to think about. I'm trying to stay positive about Flo but he is testing me already. I need him to be told that he can drive into the box on occasions, rather than cross to their centre half. Cheers all, goodnight! To be fair to Flo it wasn't till lateish in the second half when he went down as if shot and lay prone off the field, but for his fist pumping the ground as though his leg was broken. Fortunately in the time he was off Derby didn't score and he was soon back on, fit as a fiddle...
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Post by rastrick32 on Aug 5, 2019 23:49:36 GMT 1
This game came down to the coaches. They settled quick and moved our backline all over the fucking shop. The gap between our centre halves was schoolboy stuff but what was worse, was that nobody got hold of Lawrence. He's a good little player with space and time and we gave him acres of grass for over half an hour. Shocking stuff. Second half was worrying. They retreated 5/10 yards and we ran out of ideas. It was a tough, but predictable watch. Jan worries me. I don't want him gone yet but I'd like to see him take control of a game. Play players in the correct positions, get them to back each other and take the game to the opposition. We have a bit of aggression in Hoggy but it bloody infuriates me when I see lads pulling out of challenges. Early days but we have a hell of a lot to think about. I'm trying to stay positive about Flo but he is testing me already. I need him to be told that he can drive into the box on occasions, rather than cross to their centre half. Cheers all, goodnight! To be fair to Flo it wasn't till lateish in the second half when he went down as if shot and lay prone off the field, but for his fist pumping the ground as though his leg was broken. Fortunately in the time he was off Derby didn't score and he was soon back on, fit as a fiddle... Another pet hate of mine. I noticed that not one player gave a fuck about that, they just carried on playing.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Aug 5, 2019 23:53:34 GMT 1
Biggest concern for me is not the players but Jan - tactically it wasn’t good. We have a £18m CB in the championship - Kongolo and Schindler as good as any pairing in league. Instead as an attacking LB he is average. Waste.
Lots of criticism on here of the midfielders and tbf they weren’t great, but I put bulk of blame on Jan. 3 in middle but so many holes, nobody seemed to know where to be or what the game plan was in there. That’s a worry.
I think we have enough talent that a good manager could make them look very good players.
The lack of pace in our passing and shape is a concern. Jan needs to prove himself and quick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 23:58:56 GMT 1
Special mention to the ref who somehow managed to be just as inept as our players, that despite giving us our third penalty in around the last decade.
32 fouls given and not one bad challenge in 94 minutes, completely disrupted the game from start to finish.
Has the new rule on subs having to leave the field at the closest line been scrapped or did he just chose to completely ignore it?
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:02:02 GMT 1
Derby definitely done their research...leaving Flo open to cross to no one Tbf Beckham would've been pushed to hit the one attacker in the box full of defenders
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Post by tvor on Aug 6, 2019 0:04:16 GMT 1
Wasn’t there tonight & didn’t watch it but reading all the stuff on here & hearing from folk who were there it sounds like absolutely nothing has changed from last season! Just exactly what have we been doing this close season? Have any of last season’s frailties been addressed? Why on earth haven’t we been out & spent a bit of money on some pro’s that know this league? Why no striker to compete or even play with Grant (Mounie is NOT the answer). Very early days admittedly but still worrying. I’m expecting nothing from the QPR game and then it’s the cup game against lower league opposition. 3 defeats from 3 would be enough for me to pull the plug and start again with a coach with experience of managing in the English leagues. Least I have 10 more days of Mallorcan sunshine to enjoy 😎 Was there and it was worse than last season. On paper the team looked decent and while there’s a thread bemoaning the atmosphere if felt positive and most people around me were optimistic. Even before the goals, most of the action was in Town’s half and the one player we’ve signed with experience looked woeful. We definitely need to get some (PL) loans in at the very least and splash some of the Phil Bill cash.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 6, 2019 0:07:05 GMT 1
Player for player, I think we have a good squad for this league.
We're only lacking only a left back, and a sense of direction....
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:11:04 GMT 1
We need an attacking LB and RB for the way Jan wants to play. Kongolo needs to be in the middle to force Elphick out and Flo needs to fuck off, he has not got a football brain other than being a speed merchant. Bacuna had no clue this game. He either lost possession in daft places or picked passes which were easily cut out. Mooy only came alive second half, as most of the team. I won't have a go at schindler or Kach for their misses, at least we were in a position for those misses, I think it's a case of a the old monkey on the back as oppose to not having the quality as we know both players can do it at this level. Kachs face was a picture on sky when he missed that chance, it hurt. After a decent pre season we have fallen into the old habits of last season. We are disjointed and not on the same page. To make matter worse, we are continuing in the same vein as the previous 3 seasons of not scoring many goals. The first 2 we got away with it. The third we didn't, will we the forth? I can see now why the likes of Sunderland went straight down. Never mind it hurt, he shouldn't be anywhere near the team, missed a gobber and everytime the ball was passed to him he was back in our half before he got it under control
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Post by townrwe on Aug 6, 2019 0:12:03 GMT 1
Derby definitely done their research...leaving Flo open to cross to no one Tbf Beckham would've been pushed to hit the one attacker in the box full of defenders Who's going to join grant? The other winger should tuck in back post, but bacuna, hogg and mooy all want to hover on the edge of the box to mop up the danger or take a long shot. We are missing a goalscoring midfielder, someone willing to get into the box. We have to get 3 players into the box attacking the ball. Kachunga actually made a difference in an attacking sense despite been worrying slow and unable to beat his man or run past him, he linked up well with flo, like he did tommy Smith and he was at the back post when the cross came in. Mbenza and Diakhaby needed to get in that back post area more often when the crosses come in, I said it yesterday, we need a different player to one of either Hogg or mooy and sadly only pick one of them at a time.
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Post by specialun on Aug 6, 2019 0:13:36 GMT 1
We were a great team We weren’t individually great My argument was never about wins, it was about goals scored. The whole game was focused on winning... that was the point We won 23 out of 26 by 1 goal. People forget this statistic. Never ever underestimate how much more Wagner got out of the team than it’s parts. The team could have scored more goals, been more open but we’d have won fewer games
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Post by specialun on Aug 6, 2019 0:24:58 GMT 1
To think you all called me negative all summer criticising our lack of transfer activity / odd signings
Now some of you want the manager gone
I mean...
We’ve spent peanuts on league 2 (or below) players with potential, a free transfer who averages 20 games a season and what appears a decent loan signing
Yet some on here thought we’d turn up and immediately be challenging, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have developed a Football brain / first touch and signing league 2 players was great as we hadn’t seen them
Completely forgetting how important Wagner was, how many games we scraped home via tactical brilliance, managing the game etc.
Let’s be clear Jan isn’t Wagner. Nor will the next 10 managers. Get used to it
Wagner turned an average team with some good players into a great team
We have to have much better players now to get anywhere near that season
Spend some of the cash on Championship / equivalent players or loan fees to give Jan a chance of being here by October
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:36:10 GMT 1
Apart from that he was immense 😂😂 You want to scapegoat Hogg what about the others then Mooy Bacuna Elphick Haderjonaj did they play better Flo did, he was our attacking outlet all night, his crossing might not be brilliant but we only ever have one bloke in the frigging box to aim for anyway
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Post by townrwe on Aug 6, 2019 0:37:02 GMT 1
To think you all called me negative all summer criticising our lack of transfer activity / odd signings Now some of you want the manager gone I mean... We’ve spent peanuts on league 2 (or below) players with potential, a free transfer who averages 20 games a season and what appears a decent loan signing Yet some on here thought we’d turn up and immediately be challenging, Diakhaby and Mbenza would have developed a Football brain / first touch and signing league 2 players was great as we hadn’t seen them Completely forgetting how important Wagner was, how many games we scraped home via tactical brilliance, managing the game etc. Let’s be clear Jan isn’t Wagner. Nor will the next 10 managers. Get used to it Wagner turned an average team with some good players into a great team We have to have much better players now to get anywhere near that season Spend some of the cash on Championship / equivalent players or loan fees to give Jan a chance of being here by October Next 3 days will dictate how long Jan lasts. Back him and he might actually make jan.... dont and he wont make September.
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Post by canuckterrier on Aug 6, 2019 0:38:06 GMT 1
We didn't deserve anything from the game. We may have missed chances, but we were quite clearly 2nd best. Opinions can obviously differ but if we'd have got a late equaliser I wouldn't have felt it was undeserved. Derby showed zero ambition in the second half but we still had 2 great chances and had one of those chances gone in we'd have been level and the team with the momentum. But they didn't go in did they Doc? And in this division you need to take at least one of those. I think that is what is disappointing many on here, especially as you say, they were 'great' chances. Finishing...the same old same old from last year. Although I'll give Schindler a little leeway on his, being a defender and good looking and all, but Kachunga's. yes, that should have been buried. However, the season is early and it's a long slog so lots of time to improve. But I have to admit, I really thought we were going to take this one tonight and believe me, I'm quite the pragmatic sort, so I'm a little disappointed in what I saw.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:39:54 GMT 1
I hope you guys do go up but the coach has not got a clue, that's from coaching or getting his ethos to the players they have no clue at all what to do on the ball when your going forward your front three just stand still no movement. Maupay, Woods, Jansson, Westwood, Maddison etc players have being sold or stayed put which would have made you better, lots of money however the previous owner has rinsed you dry. Would get on Hughtons door now before it's too late, stoke were poor last season but looked better than you guys Jansson 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:45:54 GMT 1
Jan is deluded thinks we deserved something. We were shite. Schindler and Kachunga want shagging with a ragmans trumpet for the gobbers they missed. Derby were gifted 2 goals with their first 2 attempts (despite the foul on Bacuna or Waghorn being offside and in front of the keeper, both missed/ignored by the lardarsed midget with the whistle), apart from the save from Camel Grabber late in the first half (from another ignored foul on Bacuna from fat c***) did Derby have another chance in the game, I can't think of one
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Post by Terriersmad on Aug 6, 2019 0:46:28 GMT 1
Very disappointed in the manager tonight. Poor tactically in the first half, set up all wrong, then made the wrong decisions in the second.
Why weren't we trying to hit early balls behind a ponderous back line? Diakhaby had the pace, so why weren't we getting the ball in behind Malone for him to run on to? Why weren't we trying to turn Keogh and Clarke - hardly a quick pairing? Why did we constantly prat about trying to work an angle for a cross that never came? Why did we take Grant off for Quaner? Why didn't we just go two up top and change it? Why not have Mounié on the bench when we need an option for the last few minutes? Failing that, why not go for the hail Mary and throw a centre-back up top?
Yes, we were improved in the second half but we should have made more than two chances. Perhaps we should take those chances. On another day, we do - on another day, those players are more confident and know they'll hit the target. But the more chances you make the more forgiving you can be of misses as it becomes more and more likely that you're going to score. Grant didn't get a single chance in open play, which says it all for me.
I've been sat on the fence, but I think tonight has swung me against Siewert. I saw a manager determined to try the same thing over and over and not change it in an attempt to get the result. He can keep his principles if they cost us points, and tonight they have.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:48:33 GMT 1
Derby didn’t need to get out of first gear tonight, didn’t need to break sweat. It was men against boys, fucking dire Makes me wonder how much shit Hamer would have got if he had gifted Lawrence the first goal in the manner our keeper did tonight! Not sticking up for him cos it was a weak header but would you, seriously, blame the keeper more than Elphick for the goal. I've seen him twice now and he's been at fault for goals in both games
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 0:54:47 GMT 1
Just stop! Your attempt to look at anybody but Elphick re. blame for the first goal loses any shred of credibility in your argument! Grabara's top save from Waghorn would have probably been helped in by Hamer's paper wrists. Yes he did well to save that shot, he saved 1 out of 3 shots on target. So a better average than the keeper in our opening game last season then
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 1:00:16 GMT 1
I only saw the first half but for me... Flo still looks weak Bacuna couldn't get in the game Mooy just drifts around the pitch with little energy Diakhaby has the pace but doesn't have a footballing brain Overall we looked like we weren't psychologically up for the game. We were playing like we were trying to avoid defeat, rather than playing to win. I don't understand why Siewert hasn't got a new winger in. Half of the problem last year was Wagner felt they weren't effective enough as a group and stopped playing them altogether. Imo Quaner and Kachunga should be shown the door and use the Billing / Zanka money to get a marquis winger ASAP. Keep Diakhaby Mbenza and Pritchard If Flo could beat his man by the corner and find a bit of space to look up and find a target he'd be quality. He just doesn't have the strength, bottle and skill to do it. Or a fucking target to aim for
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 6, 2019 1:06:56 GMT 1
This game came down to the coaches. They settled quick and moved our backline all over the fucking shop. The gap between our centre halves was schoolboy stuff but what was worse, was that nobody got hold of Lawrence. He's a good little player with space and time and we gave him acres of grass for over half an hour. Shocking stuff. Second half was worrying. They retreated 5/10 yards and we ran out of ideas. It was a tough, but predictable watch. Jan worries me. I don't want him gone yet but I'd like to see him take control of a game. Play players in the correct positions, get them to back each other and take the game to the opposition. We have a bit of aggression in Hoggy but it bloody infuriates me when I see lads pulling out of challenges. Early days but we have a hell of a lot to think about. I'm trying to stay positive about Flo but he is testing me already. I need him to be told that he can drive into the box on occasions, rather than cross to their centre half. Cheers all, goodnight! To be fair to Flo it wasn't till lateish in the second half when he went down as if shot and lay prone off the field, but for his fist pumping the ground as though his leg was broken. Fortunately in the time he was off Derby didn't score and he was soon back on, fit as a fiddle... I thought he'd pulled something reaching for the over hit pass. Tbf he wasn't as embarrassing as Lawrence in the first half, rolling round like he'd broken his foot then sprinting after the ball as soon as the ref let him back on
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