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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 21:09:19 GMT 1
There were very few details circulated at the time, however you would expect a break clause in January dependent on certain conditions. One of those could possibly be if an offer of a minimum value say £15m was met. My guess would be that if there is indeed any kind of break clause, then it would have to be a two-way one; that's how they usually work. Ergo Seaslugs would have to agree if we wish to recall him to sell. Correct. It's a full season loan, unless both clubs agree to terminate it in January.
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Post by andyboothscat on Dec 8, 2019 21:19:41 GMT 1
Mooy would ultimately go on loan to Brighton, but not before signing a new three-year deal with Town. Hodgkinson confirmed that there is both a recall clause and an pre-agreed transfer fee in the structure of Brighton's loan deal. "Nobody is more gutted than me [that he left], but I had to make a decision for the football club. To let Aaron go out on loan fulfilled what he wanted. To keep Aaron without signing a new deal we'd have a 50-60% [motivated] Aaron [for a season before] leaving on a free. "Neither of those were good for the football club, and I know the fans were disappointed and so was I, and Aaron signing that three year deal - and by the way, he didn't have to - what that gives us is if we go up this season - and even I'm laughing at that right now but - he would come back because he would absolutely play for us in the Premier League. "There is a very slim, and let me be clear, a very slim chance he'll be recalled in January because it's a double-recall so Brighton can send him back at that point, but the likelihood is he will look to play at a higher level abroad in January. I'm not saying that'll happen but let's be honest. But we get a fee for him no matter what happens, which is right for this football club." www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/phil-hodgkinson-discusses-aaron-mooys-16913348
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 8, 2019 21:41:19 GMT 1
Mooy would ultimately go on loan to Brighton, but not before signing a new three-year deal with Town. Hodgkinson confirmed that there is both a recall clause and an pre-agreed transfer fee in the structure of Brighton's loan deal. "Nobody is more gutted than me [that he left], but I had to make a decision for the football club. To let Aaron go out on loan fulfilled what he wanted. To keep Aaron without signing a new deal we'd have a 50-60% [motivated] Aaron [for a season before] leaving on a free. "Neither of those were good for the football club, and I know the fans were disappointed and so was I, and Aaron signing that three year deal - and by the way, he didn't have to - what that gives us is if we go up this season - and even I'm laughing at that right now but - he would come back because he would absolutely play for us in the Premier League. "There is a very slim, and let me be clear, a very slim chance he'll be recalled in January because it's a double-recall so Brighton can send him back at that point, but the likelihood is he will look to play at a higher level abroad in January. I'm not saying that'll happen but let's be honest. But we get a fee for him no matter what happens, which is right for this football club." www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/phil-hodgkinson-discusses-aaron-mooys-16913348That doesn’t imply that both clubs must agree. EITHER Brighton send him back OR we can request him back?
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Post by andyboothscat on Dec 8, 2019 21:50:09 GMT 1
Mooy would ultimately go on loan to Brighton, but not before signing a new three-year deal with Town. Hodgkinson confirmed that there is both a recall clause and an pre-agreed transfer fee in the structure of Brighton's loan deal. "Nobody is more gutted than me [that he left], but I had to make a decision for the football club. To let Aaron go out on loan fulfilled what he wanted. To keep Aaron without signing a new deal we'd have a 50-60% [motivated] Aaron [for a season before] leaving on a free. "Neither of those were good for the football club, and I know the fans were disappointed and so was I, and Aaron signing that three year deal - and by the way, he didn't have to - what that gives us is if we go up this season - and even I'm laughing at that right now but - he would come back because he would absolutely play for us in the Premier League. "There is a very slim, and let me be clear, a very slim chance he'll be recalled in January because it's a double-recall so Brighton can send him back at that point, but the likelihood is he will look to play at a higher level abroad in January. I'm not saying that'll happen but let's be honest. But we get a fee for him no matter what happens, which is right for this football club." www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/phil-hodgkinson-discusses-aaron-mooys-16913348That doesn’t imply that both clubs must agree. EITHER Brighton send him back OR we can request him back? That would be the way I’d read it too. It would seem poor negotiating from town to not be able to sell their own player because the team benefitting from his loan don’t want him to go elsewhere. Poor negotiating...? Probably nailed on then!
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Post by space hardware on Dec 8, 2019 21:53:59 GMT 1
That doesn’t imply that both clubs must agree. EITHER Brighton send him back OR we can request him back? That would be the way I’d read it too. It would seem poor negotiating from town to not be able to sell their own player because the team benefitting from his loan don’t want him to go elsewhere. Poor negotiating...? Probably nailed on then! I wonder what the "pre-agreed transfer fee" is? No doubt it'll be a few million short of his market value, if he keeps playing like he is right now 😁😁
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 8, 2019 21:58:09 GMT 1
That would be the way I’d read it too. It would seem poor negotiating from town to not be able to sell their own player because the team benefitting from his loan don’t want him to go elsewhere. Poor negotiating...? Probably nailed on then! I wonder what the "pre-agreed transfer fee" is? No doubt it'll be a few million short of his market value, if he keeps playing like he is right now 😁😁 And that's news to me. Never heard any mention of a pre-agreed transfer fee anywhere.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 8, 2019 22:18:12 GMT 1
That would be the way I’d read it too. It would seem poor negotiating from town to not be able to sell their own player because the team benefitting from his loan don’t want him to go elsewhere. Poor negotiating...? Probably nailed on then! I wonder what the "pre-agreed transfer fee" is? No doubt it'll be a few million short of his market value, if he keeps playing like he is right now 😁😁 I'd be asking Brighton to buy him in January as we could do with the cash to squad strengthen.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 8, 2019 22:28:27 GMT 1
I wonder what the "pre-agreed transfer fee" is? No doubt it'll be a few million short of his market value, if he keeps playing like he is right now 😁😁 I'd be asking Brighton to buy him in January as we could do with the cash to squad strengthen. Would we spend it, or trot out the old "no value in January" line?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 8, 2019 22:30:13 GMT 1
I'd be asking Brighton to buy him in January as we could do with the cash to squad strengthen. Would we spend it, or trot out the old "no value in January" line? Well there is that. We can't not strengthen in January this time, relegation would be an utter disaster.
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 8, 2019 22:41:05 GMT 1
Sell him and that gets hoyles money back quicker
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 8, 2019 22:45:47 GMT 1
Would we spend it, or trot out the old "no value in January" line? Well there is that. We can't not strengthen in January this time, relegation would be an utter disaster. I think you need to stop looking too much into it and trust the Cowleys and Phil. IF we sell Mooy, as Phil explained, we won’t get the full amount of money up front. It will come in instalments just like all sales and purchases do. Also, we need to do something with the 3 tools stealing a wage. That wasn’t phils or the cowleys doing, that’s what they’ve inherited. They’ve got to put it all right and it will take a few windows to do so. The January window is a difficult window to get what you want, but as the myth that town don’t do business in January line is put out, it’s not actually true because we’ve signed Wells, Grant and Kongolo in January who all made impact when they were initially signed.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 8, 2019 22:57:30 GMT 1
Well there is that. We can't not strengthen in January this time, relegation would be an utter disaster. I think you need to stop looking too much into it and trust the Cowleys and Phil. IF we sell Mooy, as Phil explained, we won’t get the full amount of money up front. It will come in instalments just like all sales and purchases do. Also, we need to do something with the 3 tools stealing a wage. That wasn’t phils or the cowleys doing, that’s what they’ve inherited. They’ve got to put it all right and it will take a few windows to do so. The January window is a difficult window to get what you want, but as the myth that town don’t do business in January line is put out, it’s not actually true because we’ve signed Wells, Grant and Kongolo in January who all made impact when they were initially signed. But it's guaranteed income though so it could be spent on transfers.
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Post by ben1987 on Dec 8, 2019 23:02:24 GMT 1
I think you need to stop looking too much into it and trust the Cowleys and Phil. IF we sell Mooy, as Phil explained, we won’t get the full amount of money up front. It will come in instalments just like all sales and purchases do. Also, we need to do something with the 3 tools stealing a wage. That wasn’t phils or the cowleys doing, that’s what they’ve inherited. They’ve got to put it all right and it will take a few windows to do so. The January window is a difficult window to get what you want, but as the myth that town don’t do business in January line is put out, it’s not actually true because we’ve signed Wells, Grant and Kongolo in January who all made impact when they were initially signed. But it's guaranteed income though so it could be spent on transfers. But it’s not just a transfer is it, it’s wages and fees that come with it. Come on pal, you’re smarter than this. It’s not just a one off fee and that’s it.
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Post by loumacari on Dec 8, 2019 23:50:38 GMT 1
But it's guaranteed income though so it could be spent on transfers. But it’s not just a transfer is it, it’s wages and fees that come with it. Come on pal, you’re smarter than this. It’s not just a one off fee and that’s it. So everyone we sell we receive the money in instalments but everyone we buy we pay all the cash up front? There was definitely some bending of the truth in the PH interviews which is understandable given how much fire he was coming under at the time.
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Dec 9, 2019 1:27:47 GMT 1
Quick check on brighton forum and they were underwhelmed when he landed, they are now talking about him in terms of player of the season.
Looking at clips he played a massive part in Brightons recent game at the gunners.
Hate to say it but he isn't gonna pull our shirt on again and i'm glad we got to see such a fantastic player, but it's all about the money now.
Can personally see an undisclosed deal done with Brighton at the end of the season, after he's had a massive impact in keeping them up!
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Post by somtam on Dec 9, 2019 3:05:15 GMT 1
I wonder what the "pre-agreed transfer fee" is? No doubt it'll be a few million short of his market value, if he keeps playing like he is right now 😁😁 And that's news to me. Never heard any mention of a pre-agreed transfer fee anywhere. Why should you have heard about it?
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2019 9:50:15 GMT 1
But it's guaranteed income though so it could be spent on transfers. But it’s not just a transfer is it, it’s wages and fees that come with it. Come on pal, you’re smarter than this. It’s not just a one off fee and that’s it. I don't quite get what you're getting at here. The fees we receive are in installments, but so are the fees we pay. So they offset each other. Equally when we get rid of a wage, we have that available to spend on a new player. This season we have got rid of the wages of Lossl, Hamer, Smith, Zanka, Durm, Loewe, Billing, Williams, Mooy, Sabiri, Puncheon, VLP and Depoitre (13). We have brought in a loan keeper, Elphick, Bockhorn, Brown, Koroma, Simpson, Chalobah, Mbenza (even though chances are we'd be paying his wages last year) and Campbell (9). Ie, we have reduced our wage bill significantly, and only spent a fraction of what we've received in transfer fees. There is money there to spend already despite the fall in income, and this can only go up if Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo leave.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 9, 2019 10:18:48 GMT 1
As far as wages go, although we got a lot of players off the wage bill, we still have an awful lot on very big wages whilst our income has just reduced by over 50%. Thats before any repayment structure for the club repaying Dean Hoyle his money. Seem the remember when we signed Simpson they said it took our wage bill over budget to get him in ( he'll be a big earner ).
Weve got players 'earning' vast amounts whilst contributing nothing at all just now and we need to sort that mess out first and foremost.
Its not going to be easy to move on Kongolo, Mbenza or Mounie. Think we're going to have to write off about £40m worth of transfer fee to do it, but getting them off the wage bill is a must because its a massive hinderance to us moving forward.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2019 10:26:56 GMT 1
But it’s not just a transfer is it, it’s wages and fees that come with it. Come on pal, you’re smarter than this. It’s not just a one off fee and that’s it. I don't quite get what you're getting at here. The fees we receive are in installments, but so are the fees we pay. So they offset each other. Equally when we get rid of a wage, we have that available to spend on a new player. This season we have got rid of the wages of Lossl, Hamer, Smith, Zanka, Durm, Loewe, Billing, Williams, Mooy, Sabiri, Puncheon, VLP and Depoitre (13). We have brought in a loan keeper, Elphick, Bockhorn, Brown, Koroma, Simpson, Chalobah, Mbenza (even though chances are we'd be paying his wages last year) and Campbell (9). Ie, we have reduced our wage bill significantly, and only spent a fraction of what we've received in transfer fees. There is money there to spend already despite the fall in income, and this can only go up if Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo leave. Agree in principle, but one thing we haven't necessarily accounted for is how corporation tax works on player sales, which means we can potentially pay a lot more tax than I envisaged (which is verging on ridiculous considering my job and degree 🙈). Add in some excessive agency and professional fees on both transactions too.
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Post by impact on Dec 9, 2019 11:10:14 GMT 1
I don't quite get what you're getting at here. The fees we receive are in installments, but so are the fees we pay. So they offset each other. Equally when we get rid of a wage, we have that available to spend on a new player. This season we have got rid of the wages of Lossl, Hamer, Smith, Zanka, Durm, Loewe, Billing, Williams, Mooy, Sabiri, Puncheon, VLP and Depoitre (13). We have brought in a loan keeper, Elphick, Bockhorn, Brown, Koroma, Simpson, Chalobah, Mbenza (even though chances are we'd be paying his wages last year) and Campbell (9). Ie, we have reduced our wage bill significantly, and only spent a fraction of what we've received in transfer fees. There is money there to spend already despite the fall in income, and this can only go up if Diakhaby, Mbenza and Kongolo leave. Agree in principle, but one thing we haven't necessarily accounted for is how corporation tax works on player sales, which means we can potentially pay a lot more tax than I envisaged (which is verging on ridiculous considering my job and degree 🙈). Add in some excessive agency and professional fees on both transactions too. Corporation tax is on a company's profits, so if we don't make a profit we won't pay it. Even if we do make a profit, you can roll forward some previous seasons' losses to offset it. What Phil said in his interview didn't make sense. Corporation tax is based on the whole accounts, not individual items. Whether capital gains tax is paid with them being counted as assets, I'm not sure.
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Post by ram on Dec 9, 2019 11:34:31 GMT 1
I think I put my post in the wrong thread.{Re Mooy in todays games thread}
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Post by Headless Chicken on Dec 9, 2019 12:26:26 GMT 1
Agree in principle, but one thing we haven't necessarily accounted for is how corporation tax works on player sales, which means we can potentially pay a lot more tax than I envisaged (which is verging on ridiculous considering my job and degree 🙈). Add in some excessive agency and professional fees on both transactions too. Corporation tax is on a company's profits, so if we don't make a profit we won't pay it. Even if we do make a profit, you can roll forward some previous seasons' losses to offset it. What Phil said in his interview didn't make sense. Corporation tax is based on the whole accounts, not individual items. Whether capital gains tax is paid with them being counted as assets, I'm not sure. That's broadly along the lines of why what he said threw me.
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