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Post by drewden on Aug 11, 2019 13:04:38 GMT 1
Whilst the numerous threads are about getting rid, any takers out there who think the manager, backed by the management will turn it around and come good.
I stand in the middle ground and ain't got a fucking clue.
Maybe we get rid soon, another manager comes in and things get worse, the damage has already been done.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Aug 11, 2019 13:06:11 GMT 1
Things can't possibly get any worse. We spent fuck all in the window. Get a manager in that knows what he's doing.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 11, 2019 13:20:42 GMT 1
Things can't possibly get any worse. We spent fuck all in the window. Get a manager in that knows what he's doing. I'm available. |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 11, 2019 13:35:48 GMT 1
Go get. Hughton !
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 11, 2019 13:56:09 GMT 1
The best argument for keeping JS seems to be that he hasn't been given enough time, not that there's evidence of having turned the corner.
I'm still willing to give him a few more games but if there is still no sign that we're turning the corner by the Reading match then it probably won't happen & it'll be time to go.
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Post by Ox Terrier on Aug 11, 2019 13:59:23 GMT 1
I'm not sure what he's done wrong really, other than a few dubious substitutions. I have always said I'd judge him from this season alone. That said, if I was Chairman I'd be looking into if the dressing room 'has been lost'. If it has there's really no option, is there? I'll make my personal decision, from the outside and for what it's worth, in another 8 games time.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Aug 11, 2019 14:12:43 GMT 1
I'm for giving him another 6 games before I make judgment.
Losing AM on the last day of the window (2 days before match day) wasn't great preparation tbh. And what say does he actually have on transfers??
Think he's sort of being thrown under the bus and he hasn't had much love from town fans since his appointment. Add to that players who downed tools, chairman selling up (almost) and us already relegated when he arrived doesn't and didn't make his task an enviable one.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Aug 11, 2019 14:18:15 GMT 1
We're a team in transition and a team low in confidence. Patience is required
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 11, 2019 14:40:21 GMT 1
We're a team in transition and a team low in confidence. Patience is required The words 'patience' and 'transistion' are bandied about down at Town with alarming regularity but don't actually mean anything other than excuses for failing managers and transfer policies. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Aug 11, 2019 14:58:28 GMT 1
I'm for giving him another 6 games before I make judgment. Losing AM on the last day of the window (2 days before match day) wasn't great preparation tbh. And what say does he actually have on transfers?? Think he's sort of being thrown under the bus and he hasn't had much love from town fans since his appointment. Add to that players who downed tools, chairman selling up (almost) and us already relegated when he arrived doesn't and didn't make his task an enviable one. I’d agree but he seemed intent on playing a system/set up that didn’t suit the best player he had at his disposal anyway. That’s just daft. |
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Post by Champers on Aug 11, 2019 15:00:07 GMT 1
I do love how people keep throwing out the words Transition and Patience - We started in so-called transition 6 months ago, and I've long since run out of patience with him.
As for "give him 10 games"...why? So we can waste a quarter of a league season hoping that it will get better? Nothing has changed since he walked through the door, NOTHING at all. It can only be absolute blind faith that makes anyone think this complete novice can reverse our current fortunes.
I'm sick to the back teeth with this shit now. Get him gone.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 11, 2019 15:20:53 GMT 1
If I see some evidence that things are beginning to turn in our favour then great, I'll have patience whilst it comes together. But so far, I've seen nothing.
Last season he had the excuse that we were virtually down when he took over, but that gave him the biggest preseason imaginable to prepare for this term. This season he has the excuse that he's only had 2 games. I'm prepared to give him a chance to turn it around and if he does I'll be delighted - but how many games are we prepared to see little to no improvement before we accept it isn't working?
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Post by townatheart on Aug 11, 2019 15:51:40 GMT 1
Things can't possibly get any worse. We spent fuck all in the window. Get a manager in that knows what he's doing. I'm available. Well, that may be an idea, but then you are not oti are you   |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 11, 2019 16:10:27 GMT 1
Sack him and advertise the job as '2 game' contract with a few more if some of the 'experts' in the stands 'see something' in the performances.
But they might be overruled by those demanding your head because the results didn't match?
Be aware there seems to be loads of c-nts inside the club who keep 'briefing' nobodies on posting sites about the playing staff and how they 'feel' about you and how much better a player they are than they look etc?
Time for all to man up a bit and work through this period?
It's footie and if we do not get results shortly then the manager comes under serious pressure because that's what happens, jumping the gun and hysterical reactions are unhelpful.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 11, 2019 16:24:21 GMT 1
I think the main issue with Jan is the lack of noticeable difference in, well..anything. Since Wagner left and he came in nothing really has changed in terms or play style, creativity, goal threat, defensive abilities, or general excitement and entertainment.
All the change in manager has done has been to piss off a few players or reveal the "bad eggs" which has resulted in those players being sold or released. The change in formation or use of new/younger players hasn't really had any impact.
With a new manager there's usually a "new manager bounce" whether its reflected in the table or not, there's usually a noticeable change in something, not with Jan Siewert. Even if at the time of his appointment everything was against him with the toxic atmosphere of a team with no confidence against premier league opposition, if he was going to be any good he'd surely have influenced the team somehow?
We've known we've been relegated for 6 months and he's now had a full preseason with the team and yet it still feels exactly the same as when Wagner left or when he first joined. We're now playing against weaker opposition so even if everything stayed exactly the same, you'd think there'd be an improvement in performance, entertainment, etc. by default but there hasn't - does that mean he's actually made us worse?
By comparison when Wagner first joined although we lost a few of his first games in charge the team received standing ovations because there was an obvious change in play style and attitude within the squad. Nothing has changed under Jan and he's rightfully being criticised.
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Post by htfctx on Aug 11, 2019 16:32:28 GMT 1
Question: how much does it cost to cancel the JS contract?
Town might be handcuffed this term.
What "out of work" manager, wants this shit show?
The dressing room attitude at the moment, would deter anyone worth their salt, from getting much done. Hence the PH "3 window" time frame, to turn the squad over.
Don't think getting rid of JS will do much this season. Why would it?
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Post by tvor on Aug 11, 2019 16:42:53 GMT 1
To be fair to Jan, when Wagner took over expectations were lower but he’s struggled not just in terms of developing an identity for the team but also in following someone with a much bigger personality. On top of that there were times under DW, even in the PL when it looked liked we were due to give someone a real hammering because of the weight of possession. We all know the reason why that didn’t happen but I can’t really think of a time when that’s happened under JS. For all the talk of transition, JS need that as much as some lucky, spawny victories.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 11, 2019 17:34:58 GMT 1
I’m always reluctant to suggest firing a manager so soon but I have had concerns with JS since he first arrived. Whatever you may think of Wagner, he was pretty smart as a man-manager and a tactician. His tactical nous and the very clever 4-2-3-1 that he introduced and coached into the players was really sophisticated and the players clearly understood their roles and the positional discipline required to play that system. Since JS took over, we have totally lost all shape and positional discipline - you only need to look at the Opta stats for the second half of last season to see the difference. This seems to have spilled over into this season and is not helped by trying to play a 4-3-3 which requires a quality of player and type of full-back that we don’t really possess. I can’t see a future for the manager when such a high proportion of the support is against him. We need someone who will bring a simpler structure and use the players we have in a suitable system - that might be 3-5-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 but it ain’t 4-3-3 and it can’t involve Diakhaby or Mbenza who aren’t capable of the required defensive disciplines.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Aug 11, 2019 17:51:14 GMT 1
We're a team in transition and a team low in confidence. Patience is required I agree 100% but I think people are just keen to see some green shoots of recovery. Like we did when DW arrived |
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Post by oldrain on Aug 11, 2019 18:01:14 GMT 1
3pts of a play off place joint top scorer UTT Lampard will be available soon well he would be if this forum ran anything
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Post by sabailand on Aug 11, 2019 18:31:58 GMT 1
He should be judged on how this season unfolds and this season alone.To form opinions on last seasons mismatches is unfair, if things dont improve then yes any criticism will be justified, let the table take shape and then make informed opinions.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 11, 2019 18:39:56 GMT 1
3pts of a play off place joint top scorer UTT Lampard will be available soon well he would be if this forum ran anything Difference is Chelsea played quite well, bar the result, in his first game in charge, we look shit after close to 20. |
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