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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 13, 2020 8:24:42 GMT 1
Some of the stuff we were playing in the first 10 minutes was the best I've seen from a Championship side this season. Good movement, getting the ball out of our feet quickly, good link-up play - I was thinking "Wow, we're beginning to look the part a bit here". Cardiff were visibly shaken, it was almost as if they weren't expecting this type of slick ferocity. But we couldn't keep it up and, as such, Cardiff were given the opportunity to start playing themselves.
Conclusion (and it might sound obvious): Could have been different; slick ferocity is needed for more than 10 minutes in one game.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 13, 2020 8:33:50 GMT 1
Some of the stuff we were playing in the first 10 minutes was the best I've seen from a Championship side this season. Good movement, getting the ball out of our feet quickly, good link-up play - I was thinking "Wow, we're beginning to look the part a bit here". Cardiff were visibly shaken, it was almost as if they weren't expecting this type of slick ferocity. But we couldn't keep it up and, as such, Cardiff were given the opportunity to start playing themselves. Conclusion (and it might sound obvious): Could have been different; slick ferocity is needed for more than 10 minutes in one game. a solid midfield and adequate defending as well.
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Post by herefordaway on Feb 13, 2020 8:39:44 GMT 1
Incredibly we had 67% possession. Stats say 19 shots for us,I was surprised it was that high.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 13, 2020 8:42:18 GMT 1
Incredibly we had 67% possession. Stats say 19 shots for us,I was surprised it was that high. I must have missed 18 of then shots.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 13, 2020 8:42:53 GMT 1
Some of the stuff we were playing in the first 10 minutes was the best I've seen from a Championship side this season. Good movement, getting the ball out of our feet quickly, good link-up play - I was thinking "Wow, we're beginning to look the part a bit here". Cardiff were visibly shaken, it was almost as if they weren't expecting this type of slick ferocity. But we couldn't keep it up and, as such, Cardiff were given the opportunity to start playing themselves. Conclusion (and it might sound obvious): Could have been different; slick ferocity is needed for more than 10 minutes in one game. a solid midfield and adequate defending as well. Aye, there's no doubting we've still got a few things to work on!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 13, 2020 8:44:47 GMT 1
Some of the stuff we were playing in the first 10 minutes was the best I've seen from a Championship side this season. Good movement, getting the ball out of our feet quickly, good link-up play - I was thinking "Wow, we're beginning to look the part a bit here". Cardiff were visibly shaken, it was almost as if they weren't expecting this type of slick ferocity. But we couldn't keep it up and, as such, Cardiff were given the opportunity to start playing themselves. Conclusion (and it might sound obvious): Could have been different; slick ferocity is needed for more than 10 minutes in one game. This is the problem, it's only 10 minutes, we invariably don't score then our opponents assert themselves on the game and go on to win.
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Post by Larry David on Feb 13, 2020 8:49:41 GMT 1
Why the chuff was Lewis o Brien slotting in at left back covering toffolo when we were attacking and therefore ending up many times behind Hogg... bonkers
Made no sense. The lad is creative and alongside ESR would have been the perfect pair yet clearly had been told to cover.
Hogg was awful last night
Bacuna created the most bit overdid the touches.
Also....shooooot
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Feb 13, 2020 8:50:47 GMT 1
I don't think we actually played that bad and if the penalty is given its game on. Pre match (and based on my little knowledge of their squad) I couldn't understand how Cardiff could be where they are in the table, I do now. Organised and most of all clinical, I fancy them in the play offs.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 13, 2020 9:08:36 GMT 1
a solid midfield and adequate defending as well. Aye, there's no doubting we've still got a few things to work on! Cowley added: "Ultimately, games of football are won in both boxes and if you are soft in your defensive box and powder puff in the attacking area then don't expect to win football matches." He's not wrong.
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Post by York Terrier on Feb 13, 2020 9:16:48 GMT 1
Aye, there's no doubting we've still got a few things to work on! Cowley added: "Ultimately, games of football are won in both boxes and if you are soft in your defensive box and powder puff in the attacking area then don't expect to win football matches." He's not wrong. So he should get it changed then
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Post by benhomly on Feb 13, 2020 9:46:31 GMT 1
I don’t quite understand what the Management team are trying to do I have been watching Town since 1962 and for the very first time tonight I left with over 20 mins still to play It appears to me that the Cowley brothers are so scared of loosing that they are squeezing the life out of the midfield and forwards and to be honest it’s absolutely rubbish to watch. We need a complete new right hand side Simpson need his head taking off his shoulders and refining the other way around as it’s the only way he will pass the ball forward,and as far as I am concerned we don’t have a right winger. I think we have got to stop this prattling around with square balls at the back which gets us normally further back than we started and we possibly need to revert to a 4-4-2 to accommodate all the midfield players, also as only an 18 year old lad is capable of taking a ball in midfield with his back to play and being able to turn and set us moving we probably need to go more direct and let SR have a free role behind the front two. I think the Cowley’s honeymoon period is fast coming to an end Not sure about that but the ugly side of their game came out again last night. When Toffolo inadvertently put their striker clean through with an attempted clearance he went down clutching his head in the hope the ref would blow his whistle. At least the ref didn't fall for it. Stearman went down similarly at one point as well. If it wins us points and keeps us up then fair enough but it's not great viewing.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 13, 2020 9:47:18 GMT 1
Some of the stuff we were playing in the first 10 minutes was the best I've seen from a Championship side this season. Good movement, getting the ball out of our feet quickly, good link-up play - I was thinking "Wow, we're beginning to look the part a bit here". Cardiff were visibly shaken, it was almost as if they weren't expecting this type of slick ferocity. But we couldn't keep it up and, as such, Cardiff were given the opportunity to start playing themselves. Conclusion (and it might sound obvious): Could have been different; slick ferocity is needed for more than 10 minutes in one game. This is the problem, it's only 10 minutes, we invariably don't score then our opponents assert themselves on the game and go on to win. I think if we can reproduce those 10-minute periods three or four times per match, then the goals would follow and it would simply be too much for most Championship teams. For me, that first Cardiff goal came very much against the run of play, and it looked to me to have been avoidable through offside, if our defender on the left (was it Toffolo?) had pushed up a yard or two (would be good to hear from someone who was actually there as regards whether this is true or not). In terms of offside traps, though, I think that was the sort of thing we were doing well a couple of years ago, nearly all the time. Never a moment of dullness as a Town fan, though. It's going to be interesting to see how we develop for next season - if those first 10 minutes are anything to go by, then Town fans will be seeing a totally upgraded style of play (hopefully to include improved organization), and the Cowleys can stop insisting that we are a work in process :-)
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Post by k1man999 on Feb 13, 2020 9:53:00 GMT 1
Incredibly we had 67% possession. Passing between Schindler and stearman and lossll Too many times we play it around the back for no reason there were times when runs were actually made and instead of playing a ball over the top in behind we turn and pass it between ourselves.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Feb 13, 2020 9:53:35 GMT 1
Aye, there's no doubting we've still got a few things to work on! Cowley added: "Ultimately, games of football are won in both boxes and if you are soft in your defensive box and powder puff in the attacking area then don't expect to win football matches." He's not wrong. Yes, that second goal was a bit slack for the perfectionists. But well-taken nonetheless - looked to me (on a stream) like the corner came over very quickly, and was executed with the sort of speed that would have caught out most defences in the Championship tbh.
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Post by dezzly on Feb 13, 2020 9:54:16 GMT 1
Don’t think we setup negatively.I think their gameplan was a good one against us at the moment.They packed central areas denying us space ,we don’t have out and out wingers still so other than toffolo bombing on struggle to stretch teams wide to create the space and unfortunately mounie is never going to stretch teams in behind to create it so if a team can be really compact and disciplined in that respect we struggle. Add to that mounie link up play slows us down 3/4/5 touches where 1/2 is required.We tried sucking them out by playing across the back but they didn’t budge and ultimately when hit us on counter had enough quality to make it count. More teams will come play like that but hopefully they aren’t as good at defending the box or have as much quality going forward. Think Saturday we may look better but derby will have too much.
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Post by willo on Feb 13, 2020 9:59:59 GMT 1
I think we will see 20m for grant. Sadly there's no way even half of that will be spent on strikers. there's no doubt we need 2 strikers. Mounie isn't firing anyone into the playoffs. He's a statue, too slow, surprisingly weak, lethargic. Selling Grant in summer will mean the club needs (another) reset. Imagine our lineup next year No Lossl No Simpson No ESR No Grant No money! Think Simpson signed a two year deal so he'll be here. Really? Didn’t know that. Big improvement on Flo but offers very little going forward and I saw him as being a stop-gap til the summer when we would (hopefully) sign a proper wing back.
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Post by irverino on Feb 13, 2020 10:09:50 GMT 1
Aye, there's no doubting we've still got a few things to work on! Cowley added: "Ultimately, games of football are won in both boxes and if you are soft in your defensive box and powder puff in the attacking area then don't expect to win football matches." He's not wrong. 1st goal came from trying to play an offside trap, I noticed early in the game Stearman & Schindler pushing the line up to almost halfway, to play this way you need pace in the back four & your keeper to be sweeper for balls played into the space behind...….why didn't we stick to playing deeper has in the two previous home games?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:25:29 GMT 1
I think we will see 20m for grant. Sadly there's no way even half of that will be spent on strikers. there's no doubt we need 2 strikers. Mounie isn't firing anyone into the playoffs. He's a statue, too slow, surprisingly weak, lethargic. Selling Grant in summer will mean the club needs (another) reset. Imagine our lineup next year No Lossl No Simpson No ESR No Grant No money! Think Simpson signed a two year deal so he'll be here. He signed till the end of this season according to this link. I think he will retire in the summer. www.htafc.com/news/2019/september/transfer-danny-simpson-signs-for-town/
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 13, 2020 10:29:27 GMT 1
Typical town. Get a chance to pull clear of the relegation zone & put in a shit performance like that, what a shambles.
Credit to Cardiff though, they did a number on us but didn't need to get out of second gear to do so.
If a team comes here they should have to work hard for a win, that's the least we should expect.
Really pissed off with that half arsed bollocks last night!
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Post by Melc on Feb 13, 2020 10:35:46 GMT 1
Going by last nights performance I think he has retired already!
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Post by foxtrot666 on Feb 13, 2020 10:38:22 GMT 1
Incredibly we had 67% possession. Passing between Schindler and stearman and lossll Too many times we play it around the back for no reason there were times when runs were actually made and instead of playing a ball over the top in behind we turn and pass it between ourselves. This, I take little notice of possession stats, it's about time they only recorded them in the opposition half which would give a better reflection on the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:40:10 GMT 1
Going by last nights performance I think he has retired already! Yeah, can see now why there were no takers from PL clubs or those higher in the Championship. I'd switch to a 352 as i think he is a weak point right now, and we have nobody else to play RB. I doubt DC will do that though. Lossl Stearman RCB Stank CB Schindler LCB Bacuna RWB Toffolo LWB Hogg CM ESR AM O'Brien CM Mounie CF Grant CF
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:43:34 GMT 1
Passing between Schindler and stearman and lossll Too many times we play it around the back for no reason there were times when runs were actually made and instead of playing a ball over the top in behind we turn and pass it between ourselves. This, I take little notice of possession stats, it's about time they only recorded them in the opposition half which would give a better reflection on the game. you are correct in runs wee made but ballnot delivered but Cardiff set up well and despite the loss once again over the top critism from the same lot.move on we lost .psweplayed well first half
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Feb 13, 2020 10:45:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 10:47:08 GMT 1
I think we missed Trevoh
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 13, 2020 10:49:31 GMT 1
Typical town. Get a chance to pull clear of the relegation zone & put in a shit performance like that, what a shambles. Credit to Cardiff though, they did a number on us but didn't need to get out of second gear to do so. If a team comes here they should have to work hard for a win, that's the least we should expect. Really pissed off with that half arsed bollocks last night! I thought they were very good. Very organised from the start and they had a gameplan that worked. We looked bereft of any kind of plan at times, especially around the opposition penalty area.
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Post by Uddersfield on Feb 13, 2020 11:16:38 GMT 1
Going by last nights performance I think he has retired already! Yeah, can see now why there were no takers from PL clubs or those higher in the Championship. I'd switch to a 352 as i think he is a weak point right now, and we have nobody else to play RB. I doubt DC will do that though. Lossl Stearman RCB Stank CB Schindler LCB Bacuna RWB Toffolo LWB Hogg CM ESR AM O'Brien CM Mounie CF Grant CF I like this
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Post by marshterrier on Feb 13, 2020 11:28:13 GMT 1
Agree with most of the post mortem above... it was men v boys! Another car crash performance similar to Stoke. The players looked half arsed when we went 1-0 down. Haven't seen so many Town fans exit as early in years. Even the so called Cowshed Loyal was half empty with 20 mins to go... Got to get this one out of our system and get back to our good days. We really are a Jekyll & Hyde outfit.
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Post by Galpharmer on Feb 13, 2020 11:39:43 GMT 1
Going by last nights performance I think he has retired already! Yeah, can see now why there were no takers from PL clubs or those higher in the Championship. I'd switch to a 352 as i think he is a weak point right now, and we have nobody else to play RB. I doubt DC will do that though. Lossl Stearman RCB Stank CB Schindler LCB Bacuna RWB Toffolo LWB Hogg CM ESR AM O'Brien CM Mounie CF Grant CF Agree with Bacuna at wing back. No way should he be on the right in a 4, but with 3 centre halves behind him if he loses it. Yeah.
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Post by upthetown on Feb 13, 2020 14:34:03 GMT 1
The whole passing across the back 4 system..... Fine if we are at 0-0, waiting for a break. Or even 1-0 up and trying to protect a jammy lead. Eg away from home. But it was obvious that it wasn’t working on Cardiff. They are too good for that. But when 2-0 down at HT. Should have changed the system. Put 2 up front and go long ball. Get flick ons and have OB, ESR, Kachunga and Bacuna making runs behind. We didn’t change and they scored an inevitable third. Yup... even at 2-0 down we play like we are running the clock down, like we were 2-0 up away from home.
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