The football is awful to watch. - what is the plan ?

[duncfost01]

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

[chinaski]

Poor recruitment seemingly carried out by morons.

Carlos ain’t the one to blame. We’re punching way above where we should be given our squad strength.

[lossiemouthtownfan]

Dec 5, 2021 11:29:00 GMT 1 chinaski said:

Poor recruitment seemingly carried out by morons.

Carlos ain’t the one to blame. We’re punching way above where we should be given our squad strength.

You can only "punch above your weight" for so long before the knock out punch is landed.

[drumriggend]

Hard to warm to Carlos as a fan..




Like you could with king David..



His English is poor..



His frantic touch line antics..




He’s no rapport with the crowd..



No charisma..



Turgid football..



We all know with this squad he’s trying to polish a turd but still..



Difficult to get enthusiastic about us at the moment..




🍻

[kennyk2]

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

Hoof ball? Fuck me! Hoof ball under our Lee, Grayson, and Robins, but the last thing you could accuse Carlos of is hoof ball. The word is now becoming just a throwaway insult like racist or climate change denier.

[berlinterrier]

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

We didn't play hoof ball yesterday?

[duncfost01]

Nicholls launched it on numerous occasions. Their centre backs won it the air, their midfield picked it up and possession was lost. That for me is "hoof-Ball".


I thought swearing wasn't allowed Admin ? Not offended by it, but is it ? or isn't it ?

[waggers]

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

I agree to all of what you've said, don't have any answers either though.

Hoyle is stepping in to pay the bills but it is in his best interest to do so, he needs the club stabilised to keep it in the Championship, get his debt paid off and hopefully keep it looking as attractive as possible to a potential buyer who can afford a football club.

[kennyk2]

Dec 5, 2021 12:18:54 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Nicholls launched it on numerous occasions. Their centre backs won it the air, their midfield picked it up and possession was lost. That for me is "hoof-Ball".


I thought swearing wasn't allowed Admin ? Not offended by it, but is it ? or isn't it ?

Of course it fucking is

[impact]

Playing a long ball isn't hoofball. Playing mostly long balls is.

We certainly didn't do that yesterday. It was slow, walking pace at the back, extra passes we didn't need and a total lack of movement ahead of the ball.

We also saw what a decent job Ward does up top IMO. The hold up play and aerial challengers were non-existent from both Campbell and Mipo.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

To be fair,there's nothing wrong with playing hoofball at certain times, if the game calls for it, to get a result. There's more than one way to win a game of football.

[duncfost01]

But what is the plan ? Our two strikers never got between their midfield and defence. Often the only option for those at the back was to pass sideways. Nobody was getting into space to create a pass, eventually ending up with Nicholls, who then hoofed (occasionally to nobody).

so please somebody tell me what the Fuck Carlos's plan is ?

He has no plan B.

Without sinani or Holmes yesterday he wanted ward to drop in. Not his strength. So why try and do it ?

Campbell is done, all he does is give needless fouls away.

Toffolo - out of form, he misplaced some very casual passes yesterday. Turton gets a nose bleed over the half way and literally has no idea what to do with it, so he passes back or loses it.

Lees stood off Woodrow all game allowing him time to trap and pass to their midfield.

simply dire football. Coached all week my arse.

[araucaria]

I can't remember if either of our two fouls yesterday were given away needlessly by Campbell, can you?

[benhomly]

Dec 5, 2021 13:21:37 GMT 1 impact said:

Playing a long ball isn't hoofball. Playing mostly long balls is.

We certainly didn't do that yesterday. It was slow, walking pace at the back, extra passes we didn't need and a total lack of movement ahead of the ball.

We also saw what a decent job Ward does up top IMO. The hold up play and aerial challengers were non-existent from both Campbell and Mipo.

Exactly, how many times do the fans call for Nichols to get the ball upfield instead of playing it short to the defenders when we’re chasing a result and now when he does it we’re up in arms about it. They can’t win with some people.

For me Carlos is over achieving, it might not be great to watch at the moment but the points total is ticking along towards the 50 point mark and that’s all we can ask at the moment. The time to judge him will be when he’s given some proper money to spend, can’t see that being for some time yet.

[galpharm2400]

We simply don't inject enough pace, often enough, into our forward moves.
We take an age which is odd most times that we then don't have enough players supporting the forward move or the bloke with the ball.
Having watched it week in week out, you come to the conclusion that the opposition 'appear' to have more players on the pitch, which equates to them working up and down harder than we are?

[Benhamer1]

So it’s Carlos’s fault the player’s he’s working with are bang average he has to try get the best out of a bad bunch again nobody comes in and does a better job than he is yes it’s currently dire but pretty sure in the promotion season under the so called king who fucked off when times were hard we didn’t win in November been 11th when we all expected to be 24th isn’t that bad free transfers only get you so far

[galpharm2400]

Dec 5, 2021 14:24:46 GMT 1 Benhamer1 said:

So it’s Carlos’s fault the player’s he’s working with are bang average he has to try get the best out of a bad bunch again nobody comes in and does a better job than he is yes it’s currently dire but pretty sure in the promotion season under the so called king who fucked off when times were hard we didn’t win in November been 11th when we all expected to be 24th isn’t that bad free transfers only get you so far

Has to be more positive play, more energy and pace put into supporting the forward ball. The players need to move the ball and themselves quicker more often, they are quite capable of doing so but the feeling I keep getting is we are seeing them do 'just enough' and that's the issue.
Carlos is either running the tactics or he isn't, if he isn't then he isn't managing. If he is then it's dull and is not bringing the returns it possibly could in some of the games.
Whatever you think of the squad and its qualities or failings, the injection of more pace at moving the ball and supporting it better is definitely not above them.

[Captainslapper]

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

I didn't really see it as hoof ball at all. We generally tried to play out from the back 90% of the time, through into the midfield channels.

In defence of Carlos and whatever gameplan he had in mind, it actually worked on several occasions , with us feeding it though the midfield and (usually) O'Brien breaking through with us in great attacking positions.
But we just kept cocking it up each time with (usually) Koroma losing possession or failing with that right foot curler that seems to make up his entire box of tricks lately.

Barnsley certainly didn't pass the ball around better than us IMO. They weren't that much worse though which is a concern, because frankly they were crap!

Agree about Mipo. The lad looks out of hs depth and doesnt seem remotely interested in putting the effort in to make up for that. Had zero impact at all once again.
Id much rather see Harrat or Philips given those opportunities than have them wasted on a kid that isn't even our player.
If the rumour of us trying and failing to get West Ham to sell him to us for £1m are true, then have to say it looks like for once we dodged an expensive bullet!

And Sorba Thomas!! Total passenger.
Arrived here looking like a non league player struggling to cope with a level thats above his ability.
Miraculously transformed into a potential PL player, getting international call ups and likely to have us receiving bids of £20m soon enough .... and has now reverted back to looking like a non league player once again.
Everything about his game was shit yesterday.
His basic technical skill.. his passing....his movement,.. his crossing.. his set pieces.. his effort and commitment......all shit.
We might as well have started with 10 men.

Turton is a basic player. League 1 level in truth. But I actually thought he was one of our better players in that game, just for his effort and because he was willing to drive forward and try and make something happen.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Dec 5, 2021 16:06:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

I didn't really see it as hoof ball at all. We generally tried to play out from the back 90% of the time, through into the midfield channels.

In defence of Carlos and whatever gameplan he had in mind, it actually worked on several occasions , with us feeding it though the midfield and (usually) O'Brien breaking through with us in great attacking positions.
But we just kept cocking it up each time with (usually) Koroma losing possession or failing with that right foot curler that seems to make up his entire box of tricks lately.

Barnsley certainly didn't pass the ball around better than us IMO. They weren't that much worse though which is a concern, because frankly they were crap!

Agree about Mipo. The lad looks out of hs depth and doesnt seem remotely interested in putting the effort in to make up for that. Had zero impact at all once again.
Id much rather see Harrat or Philips given those opportunities than have them wasted on a kid that isn't even our player.
If the rumour of us trying and failing to get West Ham to sell him to us for £1m are true, then have to say it looks like for once we dodged an expensive bullet!

And Sorba Thomas!! Total passenger.
Arrived here looking like a non league player struggling to cope with a level thats above his ability.
Miraculously transformed into a potential PL player, getting international call ups and likely to have us receiving bids of £20m soon enough .... and has now reverted back to looking like a non league player once again.
Everything about his game was shit yesterday.
His basic technical skill.. his passing....his movement,.. his crossing.. his set pieces.. his effort and commitment......all shit.
We might as well have started with 10 men.

Turton is a basic player. League 1 level in truth. But I actually thought he was one of our better players in that game, just for his effort and because he was willing to drive forward and try and make something happen.

One has to ask why Harratt isn't involved. Not saying he would come in and score loads of goals but he has that potential based on his scoring record in the stiffs.

[Frankiesleftpeg]

Dec 5, 2021 16:15:16 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Dec 5, 2021 16:06:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

I didn't really see it as hoof ball at all. We generally tried to play out from the back 90% of the time, through into the midfield channels.

In defence of Carlos and whatever gameplan he had in mind, it actually worked on several occasions , with us feeding it though the midfield and (usually) O'Brien breaking through with us in great attacking positions.
But we just kept cocking it up each time with (usually) Koroma losing possession or failing with that right foot curler that seems to make up his entire box of tricks lately.

Barnsley certainly didn't pass the ball around better than us IMO. They weren't that much worse though which is a concern, because frankly they were crap!

Agree about Mipo. The lad looks out of hs depth and doesnt seem remotely interested in putting the effort in to make up for that. Had zero impact at all once again.
Id much rather see Harrat or Philips given those opportunities than have them wasted on a kid that isn't even our player.
If the rumour of us trying and failing to get West Ham to sell him to us for £1m are true, then have to say it looks like for once we dodged an expensive bullet!

And Sorba Thomas!! Total passenger.
Arrived here looking like a non league player struggling to cope with a level thats above his ability.
Miraculously transformed into a potential PL player, getting international call ups and likely to have us receiving bids of £20m soon enough .... and has now reverted back to looking like a non league player once again.
Everything about his game was shit yesterday.
His basic technical skill.. his passing....his movement,.. his crossing.. his set pieces.. his effort and commitment......all shit.
We might as well have started with 10 men.

Turton is a basic player. League 1 level in truth. But I actually thought he was one of our better players in that game, just for his effort and because he was willing to drive forward and try and make something happen.

One has to ask why Harratt isn't involved. Not saying he would come in and score loads of goals but he has that potential based on his scoring record in the stiffs.

Agree and none of this he isn't ready bollocks that some folk spout. We'll never know if he's ready if we don't give him a chance. 15 goals for the B team this season including scoring in 11 consecutive games must surely be worth at least a place on the bench.

[Captainslapper]

I dont see how he could have less of an impact on games than this Mipo lad, put it that way.

[galpharm2400]

Dec 5, 2021 16:06:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

I didn't really see it as hoof ball at all. We generally tried to play out from the back 90% of the time, through into the midfield channels.

In defence of Carlos and whatever gameplan he had in mind, it actually worked on several occasions , with us feeding it though the midfield and (usually) O'Brien breaking through with us in great attacking positions.
But we just kept cocking it up each time with (usually) Koroma losing possession or failing with that right foot curler that seems to make up his entire box of tricks lately.

Barnsley certainly didn't pass the ball around better than us IMO. They weren't that much worse though which is a concern, because frankly they were crap!

Agree about Mipo. The lad looks out of hs depth and doesnt seem remotely interested in putting the effort in to make up for that. Had zero impact at all once again.
Id much rather see Harrat or Philips given those opportunities than have them wasted on a kid that isn't even our player.
If the rumour of us trying and failing to get West Ham to sell him to us for £1m are true, then have to say it looks like for once we dodged an expensive bullet!

And Sorba Thomas!! Total passenger.
Arrived here looking like a non league player struggling to cope with a level thats above his ability.
Miraculously transformed into a potential PL player, getting international call ups and likely to have us receiving bids of £20m soon enough .... and has now reverted back to looking like a non league player once again.
Everything about his game was shit yesterday.
His basic technical skill.. his passing....his movement,.. his crossing.. his set pieces.. his effort and commitment......all shit.
We might as well have started with 10 men.

Turton is a basic player. League 1 level in truth. But I actually thought he was one of our better players in that game, just for his effort and because he was willing to drive forward and try and make something happen.

Scored a goal by having one extra player running into the box, the other efforts were shots from distance.
There you have it..
They equalised by having one player over.
We lack those runners getting past the ball, every week.
We did it quite often last season with the triangle moves and then one breaking into the box, or at least running forward of the ball.
It's disappeared a bit this year.
The extra man is usually not there.

[bluesandtwos]

If a couple of the draws this season had been turned into wins, by luck or any other method, and we were still sitting in the top 6 would these questions still be asked? I am not disagreeing with the lack of wow factor in our football but would this thread have been started? We are not playing particularly differently to earlier on this season, just not quite as well, so is it really results posters are upset about? Are we always going to go through this stuff every time we have a poor run?

One way of looking at it is Carlos, love him or not, is getting a bunch of players to punch above their weight as a team.

Given that DH has to put money into the club every month to pay the wages we are obviously not flush with cash, which is one of the reasons we have a lot of average players for this division. Some will say this is partly due to DH taking his cash back but if it is a loan then it is a debt, and the club have to service that sometime, and Carlos gets no say in that.

Getting players on a free, or for very little money, and them still turning out OK at this level is quite a skill. Most of us were praising Pearson, Colwill, Lees & Nicholls and others earlier this year but now we are back to claims of 'crap recruitment'.

Are we just a fickle bunch?

[sabailand]

Dec 5, 2021 17:00:19 GMT 1 bluesandtwos said:

If a couple of the draws this season had been turned into wins, by luck or any other method, and we were still sitting in the top 6 would these questions still be asked? I am not disagreeing with the lack of wow factor in our football but would this thread have been started? We are not playing particularly differently to earlier on this season, just not quite as well, so is it really results posters are upset about? Are we always going to go through this stuff every time we have a poor run?

One way of looking at it is Carlos, love him or not, is getting a bunch of players to punch above their weight as a team.

Given that DH has to put money into the club every month to pay the wages we are obviously not flush with cash, which is one of the reasons we have a lot of average players for this division. Some will say this is partly due to DH taking his cash back but if it is a loan then it is a debt, and the club have to service that sometime, and Carlos gets no say in that.

Getting players on a free, or for very little money, and them still turning out OK at this level is quite a skill. Most of us were praising Pearson, Colwill, Lees & Nicholls and others earlier this year but now we are back to claims of 'crap recruitment'.

Are we just a fickle bunch?

Some are most definitely, but i guess thats the nature of football fans the world over.

[softboy]

Dec 5, 2021 12:06:17 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Dec 5, 2021 11:12:43 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Yesterday we played "hoof" ball without a target man. How is that ever going to work ?

Mipo - A lot of people on here were desperate for this lad to be given some game time.

He got a good half an hour yesterday. It didn't look good did it ? Looked nothing like championship standard. I saw more from Phillips in the short game time he was given last season. However I don't really think any of our "B" team are knocking on the first team door yet.

The last few matches have shown me that our squad isn't anywhere near good enough to mount a serious play-off challenge. The football is dire. Barnsley passed the ball round better than us yesterday. O'Brien and High are very similar players, without Hogg we always struggle.

At the start of the season the back three system worked. Why have we abandoned it ?

The set-pieces have dried up.

Carlos is always full of excuses.

Turton - isn't anywhere near Championship standard. Who could possibly think he was ?

The chairman has disappeared and everything I was told about him is true. He can't afford a football team.

Hoyle is bailing us out again (fair play to him for all the stick he has been given - some from me).

What is the plan ? Do they know ? Does anybody know ?

Hoof ball? Fuck me! Hoof ball under our Lee, Grayson, and Robins, but the last thing you could accuse Carlos of is hoof ball. The word is now becoming just a throwaway insult like racist or climate change denier.

[softboy]

If you thought we played "hoof ball" you certainly were not there or have seen the highlights. In fact we did completely the opposite passing/passing but just kept on giving the ball away.

[galpharm2400]

Have to decide are we going to be a bit braver, work a bit harder and see where it takes us this year, or continue with playing out games we are losing in and giving away points in games we are winning in?

We do seem to have decided that games we are behind in have been lost and games we are winning in by a goal will sort themselves out by the opponents failing to score.
Neither is anything like a positive mental attitude and neither will produce enough results to make us anything other than lower mid table by May.

If that's enough for the club and enough fans it's hard to see any other outcome than a drift down.

[Tim Nice But Dim]

CC does not learn from his mistakes, i hope the Town board do.

[rockwall]

I personally think the set pieces have dried up as it was obvious this was our threat. Teams are now defending in numbers at our set pieces.
People will realise we dont have must effect in open play, so wont actually worry too much about that.

In terms of long ball, I would like to hope this is more a direct playing style, where the long ball is supposed to switch the play (Colwill does this regularly) and catch the opposition on the break.

Like most of us, it isnt very entertaining to watch, but, our defence is much more organised. Identify last seasons issues which was conceding for fun. It has come at a cost as although we conceded lots, we actually scored a few.

I believe Mipo hasnt worked out as we had hoped, if he is to go back in Jan, that will free up another striker on loan hopefully.

At the end of the day, majority would have accepted low mid table at the start of the season, our good but inconsistent start has upped a few expectations, but we wont go down, so let's enjoy it as much as we can.

[nicovaesen]

It’s weird it got mentioned before about not warning to him. His first opportunity to “meet” the fans was at the wendies away in the cup and he merely clapped as if it was a contractual thing to do so no passion no nothing. We’d just won on pens. Not a major scalp but the 🤷‍♂️. Didn’t seem bothered. If he was a genius that had us sitting at the top of the table clear by 12 points yep great but the shit we have in reality not sure. Is heir wagner busy?