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Post by York Terrier on Apr 4, 2022 18:44:42 GMT 1
I was at a party yesterday with a few like minded Town Fans and we where discussing what would happen if we did get promoted. I asked, apart from Lewis o’ Brien if anyone thought we had any other players who could do a job in the premier league. Only two gained a mention Thomas and Toffolo but these came from someone who had been drinking for a few hours and no one else agreed
This led to someone asking after our last attempt to survive in the Premier League without buying established players if we do go up how do we prevent getting thumped every game? Can anyone provide any inspiration?
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Post by rockwall on Apr 4, 2022 18:48:20 GMT 1
I was at a party yesterday with a few like minded Town Fans and we where discussing what would happen if we did get promoted. I asked, apart from Lewis o’ Brien if anyone thought we had any other players who could do a job in the premier league. Only two gained a mention Thomas and Toffolo but these came from someone who had been drinking for a few hours and no one else agreed This led to someone asking after our last attempt to survive in the Premier League without buying established players if we do go up how do we prevent getting thumped every game? Can anyone provide any inspiration? When fully fit, I would say Pipa would be fine in the prem. Also Russell. LOB is the obvious one, Toff and Nicholls. The rest, as much as they have been solid, Pearson and Lees pace would let them down hugely. Hogg is a yard slower than before due to age. Sorba and Koroma, still learning the trade, would love to see them have a go at it. But we would need serious improvement in all areas to even compete. 1st season signings last time were perfect, high end championship players, that would get us straight back up. Shame 2nd season we got a little bit silly. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 4, 2022 18:58:02 GMT 1
Do we fuck.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 4, 2022 19:01:08 GMT 1
O'brien, and then a few 'possible's', of course we'll never know unless they actually get the chance, some players thrive and for some the step up is a step too far, theres no doubt whatsoever about one thing, some new signings would be paramount, how many is anyones guess.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 4, 2022 19:13:33 GMT 1
Nicholls, Pipa, LoB, Thomas, Eiting & Russell - although there's no guarantee that Eiting would still be here after his contract expires this summer. The rest of our squad I'd describe as "good championship players".
Might add Diarra to that list as somebody who has the potential to step up. I would also have added Camara to that list but much of this depends on how he develops. I'm not sure what's happened with him but it seems strange to me that he didn't manage to get a loan in January.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Apr 4, 2022 19:14:20 GMT 1
We potentially have a Premier League manager, but no premier league players.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Apr 4, 2022 19:14:47 GMT 1
We potentially have a Premier League manager, but no premier league players.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Apr 4, 2022 19:15:33 GMT 1
Sorry about the repetition. Initial submission didn't register.
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 4, 2022 19:17:50 GMT 1
Come on ART lighten up & go with the flow. O'Brien is easily Premiership quality. Nicholls has done next to nothing wrong since he's been here so would deserve a chance. If you haven't seen Premiership goalkeepers making the type of errors that Nicholls simply hasn't made for us not sure you've been watching closely. Sorba demonstrates Premiership quality delivery on many occasions. Given the step up he made from Borehamwood would you really rule out him taking the next step? When Pipa was fit he looked a class above the championship at times. Toff & Russell might be able to step up (although I'm possibly being generous). |
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Post by terracesider on Apr 4, 2022 19:20:58 GMT 1
If anyone has any doubt about the ability of our squad to compete in the Premier League just consider the game against Bournemouth a couple of weeks ago.
We were totally outclassed by a team who will probably struggle when they get promoted.
And; thinking back to last time, we have no Arron Mooy type figure in place as we enter the cauldron so we would be to a large extent starting from scratch, no doubt with a number of P/L cast offs.
Hoping for promotion (because one does) but somewhat apprehensive.....
UTT
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Post by Jack on Apr 4, 2022 19:22:44 GMT 1
The obvious answer is none, even O'Brien
but according to a lot of people on here we didn't have many championship standard players at the start of this season.
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 4, 2022 19:23:25 GMT 1
If anyone has any doubt about the ability of our squad to compete in the Premier League TBF the question isn't about the squad it's about individuals. I'd agree with you about the squad. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Apr 4, 2022 19:24:52 GMT 1
Obrien and possibly Nicholls. Should we go up it could be even more painful than our last season there. It took me a good while to get my love of football back after that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 19:31:35 GMT 1
Not like you to be a negative curmudgeon, Art. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Apr 4, 2022 19:36:15 GMT 1
Nicholls, Pipa, LoB, Thomas, Eiting & Russell - although there's no guarantee that Eiting would still be here after his contract expires this summer. The rest of our squad I'd describe as "good championship players". Might add Diarra to that list as somebody who has the potential to step up. I would also have added Camara to that list but much of this depends on how he develops. I'm not sure what's happened with him but it seems strange to me that he didn't manage to get a loan in January. Eiting can't even secure a regular staring position in the current squad |
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Post by softboy on Apr 4, 2022 19:37:38 GMT 1
Have Luton? You get to the PL by employing quality/hard working Championship players. When you get there you can either;
1) Keep the same squad and get relegated.
2) Make a few astute signings and get relegated.
3) Push the boat out and finish 4th bottom at best.
But just enjoy the ride and if we get there, we get there!
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Post by terracesider on Apr 4, 2022 19:41:00 GMT 1
If anyone has any doubt about the ability of our squad to compete in the Premier League TBF the question isn't about the squad it's about individuals. I'd agree with you about the squad. Fine, I take your point. I will answer the question about "individuals" by saying that Lewis OB (IMO our best player) was earmarked to be a squad player when our friends along the A62 were after him earlier in the season. This probably tells us all we need to know about the individuals in the squad... UTT |
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Post by Jack on Apr 4, 2022 19:41:35 GMT 1
It might not seem like it right now but Scott High may possibly be the most likely player to become an established premier league player in our current squad.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 4, 2022 19:42:01 GMT 1
Nicholls, Pipa, LoB, Thomas, Eiting & Russell - although there's no guarantee that Eiting would still be here after his contract expires this summer. The rest of our squad I'd describe as "good championship players". Might add Diarra to that list as somebody who has the potential to step up. I would also have added Camara to that list but much of this depends on how he develops. I'm not sure what's happened with him but it seems strange to me that he didn't manage to get a loan in January. Eiting can't even secure a regular staring position in the current squad Nor can Pipa. I think they have the ability though to make a conribution for us next season should we go up. And FWIW I think Eiting has been under-used. Friday's win would have been more comfortable with Eiting in place of Russell IMO. Agree with me or not, but it's a less extreme claim than saying that a guy who was on the bench in Lg1 last season would be arguably the best keeper in the championship this season. |
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Post by terriers2000 on Apr 4, 2022 19:51:00 GMT 1
obrien that's it
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 4, 2022 19:56:27 GMT 1
How many of the last promotion team did we think would be good enough before they played for us there? I remember thinking Mooy (correct), Schindler (correct), Kachunga (wrong), then Palmer and Brown in a couple of seasons (both wrong). I also remember lots of doubts about Hogg, VLP, and Lowe being able to cut it- they all did fairly well and VLP was a big surprise in particular.
edit- not to mention Quaner!
Anyway, of the current side O'Brien, Nicholls, Colwill, and Thomas could all cut it if dropped into a PL side next week. Pipa after getting back to full sharpness is a possible. Ward has been a complete one season wonder but on the strength of his season only and not regarding his age or previous, he's good enough as well.
Then looking at players that've improved a lot this season- if in another year he improve at the same rate as he has this season, then I think Pearson could do it- he's been gradually working his way up the leagues his whole career. Turton deserves a mention for improvement too but if he starts a Premier League game in his life then I'd be very surprised.
There's a few young players that could in time too but I don't think it's good to expect too much of them, we're very harsh on academy lads that do come through.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 4, 2022 19:57:08 GMT 1
Maybe Nicholls, that's it. O'Brien isn't far off but I think his passing is too hit and miss.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Apr 4, 2022 20:04:24 GMT 1
Reminder for people suggesting Russell and Thomas... April Fools Day was Friday.
It's all well and good showing flashes of Prem quality whilst playing in the division below, but put those players up against Premier League opposition and they would stick out like a sore thumb.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 4, 2022 20:14:24 GMT 1
Not like you to be a negative curmudgeon, Art. Not negativity is it, brutal honesty, the squad is so thin on quality it's untrue. I heard Graeme Souness say Everton had no quality in key areas, if Everton have no quality, when it is full of quality, then what hope have we? |
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Post by mids on Apr 4, 2022 20:22:28 GMT 1
Nicholls
O'Brien
Toffolo
Pearson (with someone fast beside him)
Plus Thomas and Pipa as squad players
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 4, 2022 20:23:51 GMT 1
Arterrier in pessimism shocker… 😁 |
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Post by crux on Apr 4, 2022 20:30:24 GMT 1
Reminder for people suggesting Russell and Thomas... April Fools Day was Friday. It's all well and good showing flashes of Prem quality whilst playing in the division below, but put those players up against Premier League opposition and they would stick out like a sore thumb. As a winger Thomas has got half a chance, especially with his set-piece delivery, as a wing-back he's no chance. Russell has had 3 worse games in a row than the one that Scott High was hung out to dry for - although being asked to play in a position he's no idea how to play yet. I wouldn't select Russell for us, unless it's in a midfield 3. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 4, 2022 20:42:56 GMT 1
Arterrier in pessimism shocker… 😁 Shall I drag the post up.again where he calls them league one players:-) |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 20:52:45 GMT 1
Not like you to be a negative curmudgeon, Art. Not negativity is it, brutal honesty, the squad is so thin on quality it's untrue. I heard Graeme Souness say Everton had no quality in key areas, if Everton have no quality, when it is full of quality, then what hope have we? No, it really is negativity. The most extreme example of negativity I've seen on DATM - a forum regarded, from the outside, as the most negative and fatalistic cross-section of Town's fan-base. Cheer up, fella! |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 4, 2022 21:12:19 GMT 1
Depends what you call premiership . (Or Premier league?) There are about three divisions within a division. We would sit in the bottom third and a number of our players would get some games there based on their displays this year
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