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Post by gufc on Jul 11, 2022 12:38:02 GMT 1
It's odd how Phil Hodgkinson was praised for not spending any money but now Dean Hoyle is being slated for following the exact same model as Hodgkinson. PH had to run without money cos Hoyle was taking it all to repay the debt 🙄 PH was stupid enough to agree to it
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 14:37:47 GMT 1
PH had to run without money cos Hoyle was taking it all to repay the debt 🙄 PH was stupid enough to agree to it Mmm, I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't (not a criticism just where might we have been now 🤔)
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 11, 2022 14:38:03 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer. Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him? This is one of the only sensible postings I have seen over DH Unless he has a massive rush of blood he is not going to write off the debt owed and hand over the training ground free of charge. Therefore as you quite correctly point out the debt owed to DH is most likely more than the value of the club. On this basis alone I simply don’t understand how anyone can knock DH as he has continued to invest in a club most likely fully aware the club cannot afford to pay him back without being forced into administration. I suspect the income generated from the sale of players would go someways to running the club for 12/18 months but that’s all. In my opinion if DH is not here Huddersfield Town are not here.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 15:04:33 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer. Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him? This is one of the only sensible postings I have seen over DH Unless he has a massive rush of blood he is not going to write off the debt owed and hand over the training ground free of charge. Therefore as you quite correctly point out the debt owed to DH is most likely more than the value of the club. On this basis alone I simply don’t understand how anyone can knock DH as he has continued to invest in a club most likely fully aware the club cannot afford to pay him back without being forced into administration. I suspect the income generated from the sale of players would go someways to running the club for 12/18 months but that’s all. In my opinion if DH is not here Huddersfield Town are not here. But conversely, surely that means that every day the debt gets bigger and he's stuck with something that he doesn't seem to be very interested in anymore.
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Post by gufc on Jul 11, 2022 15:13:41 GMT 1
PH was stupid enough to agree to it Mmm, I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't (not a criticism just where might we have been now 🤔) Probably still in the Championship.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 15:18:02 GMT 1
Mmm, I wonder what would've happened if he hadn't (not a criticism just where might we have been now 🤔) Probably still in the Championship. Maybe, he didn't want to sell to foreigners and nobody else was lining up to buy us. He was poorly and wanted shut and his brass back 🤷
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 11, 2022 15:21:30 GMT 1
he still has an obligation, which he acknowledged back in the day, to ensure the safety of the club in the longer term.
If he pulls that off then fair play.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 11, 2022 15:21:43 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer. Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him? This is one of the only sensible postings I have seen over DH Unless he has a massive rush of blood he is not going to write off the debt owed and hand over the training ground free of charge. Therefore as you quite correctly point out the debt owed to DH is most likely more than the value of the club. On this basis alone I simply don’t understand how anyone can knock DH as he has continued to invest in a club most likely fully aware the club cannot afford to pay him back without being forced into administration. I suspect the income generated from the sale of players would go someways to running the club for 12/18 months but that’s all. In my opinion if DH is not here Huddersfield Town are not here. If Huddersfield Town were no longer ger here that's because the former owner and passionate Town fan allowed that to happen as a result of him wanting his money back. Whichever way you look at our ownership it's all a bit of a fiasco at the moment.
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 11, 2022 17:44:49 GMT 1
This is one of the only sensible postings I have seen over DH Unless he has a massive rush of blood he is not going to write off the debt owed and hand over the training ground free of charge. Therefore as you quite correctly point out the debt owed to DH is most likely more than the value of the club. On this basis alone I simply don’t understand how anyone can knock DH as he has continued to invest in a club most likely fully aware the club cannot afford to pay him back without being forced into administration. I suspect the income generated from the sale of players would go someways to running the club for 12/18 months but that’s all. In my opinion if DH is not here Huddersfield Town are not here. But conversely, surely that means that every day the debt gets bigger and he's stuck with something that he doesn't seem to be very interested in anymore. Exactly and he still keeps funding us so what can people complain about as I said in my opinion no DH no Huddersfield Town so all these people who post such ridiculous comments need to understand the exact situation
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 11, 2022 17:51:55 GMT 1
This is one of the only sensible postings I have seen over DH Unless he has a massive rush of blood he is not going to write off the debt owed and hand over the training ground free of charge. Therefore as you quite correctly point out the debt owed to DH is most likely more than the value of the club. On this basis alone I simply don’t understand how anyone can knock DH as he has continued to invest in a club most likely fully aware the club cannot afford to pay him back without being forced into administration. I suspect the income generated from the sale of players would go someways to running the club for 12/18 months but that’s all. In my opinion if DH is not here Huddersfield Town are not here. If Huddersfield Town were no longer ger here that's because the former owner and passionate Town fan allowed that to happen as a result of him wanting his money back. Whichever way you look at our ownership it's all a bit of a fiasco at the moment. Just what did he allow to happen we as a club threw £90m down the drain plus wages on players who where not good enough. Did DH pick the players? No Who ever did is the person responsible even if that is David Wagner himself. DH is not going to let it happen again and is continuing to fund the club who let’s face it made a complete mess in the second year of the premier League ( yes I know DH was part of that as well)
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jul 11, 2022 17:56:47 GMT 1
He’s made as so reliant on him we now believe that we can’t survive without him.
It’s like an abusive relationship. He takes all our family allowance so we can’t afford to buy food without him giving us a bit of shrapnel.
Weird how some still think that makes him a saviour rather than dabbling in a bit of coercive control.
If he really loved us he’d set us free, not put a £30m millstone around our necks.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 11, 2022 17:58:27 GMT 1
If Huddersfield Town were no longer ger here that's because the former owner and passionate Town fan allowed that to happen as a result of him wanting his money back. Whichever way you look at our ownership it's all a bit of a fiasco at the moment. Just what did he allow to happen we as a club threw £90m down the drain plus wages on players who where not good enough. Did DH pick the players? No Who ever did is the person responsible even if that is David Wagner himself. DH is not going to let it happen again and is continuing to fund the club who let’s face it made a complete mess in the second year of the premier League ( yes I know DH was part of that as well) Maybe re-read my post again and see what my point was.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 18:05:52 GMT 1
If Huddersfield Town were no longer ger here that's because the former owner and passionate Town fan allowed that to happen as a result of him wanting his money back. Whichever way you look at our ownership it's all a bit of a fiasco at the moment. Just what did he allow to happen we as a club threw £90m down the drain plus wages on players who where not good enough. Did DH pick the players? No Who ever did is the person responsible even if that is David Wagner himself. DH is not going to let it happen again and is continuing to fund the club who let’s face it made a complete mess in the second year of the premier League ( yes I know DH was part of that as well) That's up there with the podcast interview he did with his lads mate. Everything good was down to him, everything shite was someone else's fault. He refused to take any responsibility for it going tits up 🙄
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 18:13:28 GMT 1
He’s made as so reliant on him we now believe that we can’t survive without him. It’s like an abusive relationship. He takes all our family allowance so we can’t afford to buy food without him giving us a bit of shrapnel. Weird how some still think that makes him a saviour rather than dabbling in a bit of coercive control. If he really loved us he’d set us free, not put a £30m millstone around our necks. What a pathetic post. What family allowance are you referring to? Do you mean set us free as give away the club and training ground?
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jul 11, 2022 18:24:08 GMT 1
He’s made as so reliant on him we now believe that we can’t survive without him. It’s like an abusive relationship. He takes all our family allowance so we can’t afford to buy food without him giving us a bit of shrapnel. Weird how some still think that makes him a saviour rather than dabbling in a bit of coercive control. If he really loved us he’d set us free, not put a £30m millstone around our necks. What a pathetic post. What family allowance are you referring to? Do you mean set us free as give away the club and training ground? Here he is! Jesus wept. DH lived the dream. He had the most fantastic rags to riches story. Then he bought his childhood football club and took them to the Premier League. Real fairy tale stuff. Sadly, and it really is tragic on a personal level, it wasn’t enough. Now, I’ll never have anywhere near 1% of his wealth but if I did I’d like to think I wouldn’t dedicate my time to undoing my legacy by chasing the return of approx 10% of my assets. Surely he has better ways to spend his time, other things he’d rather do, other dreams to fulfill? Why is he wasting his life working full time running a football club if the dreams and ambitions are no longer there? Is it all about the hope of getting money from it? He could have happily thought ‘what a great adventure, a wonderful decade and now I’ll move on to the next stage in my life’. It all seems such a waste.
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Post by ball on Jul 11, 2022 18:29:37 GMT 1
Just to remind everyone that we had signings with massive transfer fees for our club at the time. Diakhaby Pritchard Mbenza Kongolo Remember, spending money doesn't guarantee quality... We wouldn't and shouldnt be spending them fees in this league. We should however be buying a player from Walsall, where Luton beat us to it. There can be money spent, plenty of the same ilk around at good prices and not too risky. Certainly deserved that chance at least Wasn’t fees agreed but Walsall pulled a fast one and tried to up the price at the last minute?? Pretty reasonable stance from the club in my opinion. Secondly everyone saying they don’t expect the club to throw millions but then upset about not paying £2 million sounds like everyone would rather us buy someone for the sake of it rather than the right people. I reckon we will get a couple of good prem loans late in the window to save on a few weeks wages, now that would be frustrating as the time with the squad would surely be beneficial now. I’m happy to trust the club after last season and give them benefit of the doubt
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 18:43:03 GMT 1
What a pathetic post. What family allowance are you referring to? Do you mean set us free as give away the club and training ground? Here he is! Jesus wept. DH lived the dream. He had the most fantastic rags to riches story. Then he bought his childhood football club and took them to the Premier League. Real fairy tale stuff. Sadly, and it really is tragic on a personal level, it wasn’t enough. Now, I’ll never have anywhere near 1% of his wealth but if I did I’d like to think I wouldn’t dedicate my time to undoing my legacy by chasing the return of approx 10% of my assets. Surely he has better ways to spend his time, other things he’d rather do, other dreams to fulfill? Why is he wasting his life working full time running a football club if the dreams and ambitions are no longer there? Is it all about the hope of getting money from it? He could have happily thought ‘what a great adventure, a wonderful decade and now I’ll move on to the next stage in my life’. It all seems such a waste. Instead of resorting to blasphemy just answer my questions
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jul 11, 2022 18:47:24 GMT 1
Here he is! Jesus wept. DH lived the dream. He had the most fantastic rags to riches story. Then he bought his childhood football club and took them to the Premier League. Real fairy tale stuff. Sadly, and it really is tragic on a personal level, it wasn’t enough. Now, I’ll never have anywhere near 1% of his wealth but if I did I’d like to think I wouldn’t dedicate my time to undoing my legacy by chasing the return of approx 10% of my assets. Surely he has better ways to spend his time, other things he’d rather do, other dreams to fulfill? Why is he wasting his life working full time running a football club if the dreams and ambitions are no longer there? Is it all about the hope of getting money from it? He could have happily thought ‘what a great adventure, a wonderful decade and now I’ll move on to the next stage in my life’. It all seems such a waste. Instead of resorting to blasphemy just answer my questions Christ, are you for real? ‘Answer my questions’, who the hell do you think you are? You need to learn some manners and lay off the holier than thou sentiments.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 18:50:38 GMT 1
I'm Shortbread Pete.
I'm polite by nature
Your turn to answer
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jul 11, 2022 19:03:24 GMT 1
I'm Shortbread Pete. I'm polite by nature Your turn to answer I’m Teddington Ted. I apologise if I irked you. I was making a metaphorical comparison between those who take a person’s main income stream (family allowance/parachute payments/transfer revenue) and replace it with a lesser amount yet then claim that the beneficiary of such ‘generosity’ should be grateful for the lifeline they are being given. In this case, Mr Hoyle made HTAFC financially unsustainable and now is lauded in some quarters for the short term measures he is making to ‘stop us going into administration’ (in his own words). A missionary, dressed as a saviour but unknowingly bringing smallpox and influenza.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 19:16:14 GMT 1
I'm Shortbread Pete. I'm polite by nature Your turn to answer I’m Teddington Ted. I apologise if I irked you. I was making a metaphorical comparison between those who take a person’s main income stream (family allowance/parachute payments/transfer revenue) and replace it with a lesser amount yet then claim that the beneficiary of such ‘generosity’ should be grateful for the lifeline they are being given. In this case, Mr Hoyle made HTAFC financially unsustainable and now is lauded in some quarters for the short term measures he is making to ‘stop us going into administration’ (in his own words). A missionary, dressed as a saviour but unknowingly bringing smallpox and influenza. Thank you. I accept. You've certainly got a cynical and very vivid imagination. We all see things through our own life experiences and form our own perspectives. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. Dean still loves HTAFC but is not the same spendthrift owner that he was. I can respect that
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Post by goodbet on Jul 11, 2022 19:42:25 GMT 1
I’m Teddington Ted. I apologise if I irked you. I was making a metaphorical comparison between those who take a person’s main income stream (family allowance/parachute payments/transfer revenue) and replace it with a lesser amount yet then claim that the beneficiary of such ‘generosity’ should be grateful for the lifeline they are being given. In this case, Mr Hoyle made HTAFC financially unsustainable and now is lauded in some quarters for the short term measures he is making to ‘stop us going into administration’ (in his own words). A missionary, dressed as a saviour but unknowingly bringing smallpox and influenza. Thank you. I accept. You've certainly got a cynical and very vivid imagination. We all see things through our own life experiences and form our own perspectives. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. Dean still loves HTAFC but is not the same spendthrift owner that he was. I can respect that How did you come to that conclusion? from the things that have been said and the actions taken, I don't see anything that shows he still loves Town. You may know him personally and can determine his passion for the club, I don't so I have to see some positive evidence from actions and words that have not been forthcoming recently.
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Post by halifaxterrier9 on Jul 11, 2022 19:59:00 GMT 1
We wouldn't and shouldnt be spending them fees in this league. We should however be buying a player from Walsall, where Luton beat us to it. There can be money spent, plenty of the same ilk around at good prices and not too risky. Certainly deserved that chance at least Wasn’t fees agreed but Walsall pulled a fast one and tried to up the price at the last minute?? Pretty reasonable stance from the club in my opinion. Secondly everyone saying they don’t expect the club to throw millions but then upset about not paying £2 million sounds like everyone would rather us buy someone for the sake of it rather than the right people. I reckon we will get a couple of good prem loans late in the window to save on a few weeks wages, now that would be frustrating as the time with the squad would surely be beneficial now. I’m happy to trust the club after last season and give them benefit of the doubt Pulled a fast one maybe as we had apparently parachute payments, fair play to them for trying. We should habe gone and matched Lutons bid that was accepted after and not cried over it or have hurt feelings. Course Walsall will try it to a team that's getting loads of money from the Premier League, wouldn't you? Club took their bat and ball home when they could have matched it,likeliness have would have come to us over them really. Is what it is, expiring contracts all the way now
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Post by goodbet on Jul 11, 2022 20:13:54 GMT 1
Wasn’t fees agreed but Walsall pulled a fast one and tried to up the price at the last minute?? Pretty reasonable stance from the club in my opinion. Secondly everyone saying they don’t expect the club to throw millions but then upset about not paying £2 million sounds like everyone would rather us buy someone for the sake of it rather than the right people. I reckon we will get a couple of good prem loans late in the window to save on a few weeks wages, now that would be frustrating as the time with the squad would surely be beneficial now. I’m happy to trust the club after last season and give them benefit of the doubt Pulled a fast one maybe as we had apparently parachute payments, fair play to them for trying. We should habe gone and matched Lutons bid that was accepted after and not cried over it or have hurt feelings. Course Walsall will try it to a team that's getting loads of money from the Premier League, wouldn't you? Club took their bat and ball home when they could have matched it,likeliness have would have come to us over them really. Is what it is, expiring contracts all the way now It was not only messing up the transfer but the waiting until the last minute to do it. It left me feeling did they really want to buy someone? I am a bit of a sceptic, it was just very poorly done. I hope that they have updated the process especially as they left it until the last minute to sign the sick note from Newcastle previously.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 20:18:45 GMT 1
Thank you. I accept. You've certainly got a cynical and very vivid imagination. We all see things through our own life experiences and form our own perspectives. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. Dean still loves HTAFC but is not the same spendthrift owner that he was. I can respect that How did you come to that conclusion? from the things that have been said and the actions taken, I don't see anything that shows he still loves Town. You may know him personally and can determine his passion for the club, I don't so I have to see some positive evidence from actions and words that have not been forthcoming recently. 'Things said' by whom? Actions taken? We'd be in administration if he hadn't stepped up and put more money in. Actions speak louder than words
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 11, 2022 20:28:20 GMT 1
How did you come to that conclusion? from the things that have been said and the actions taken, I don't see anything that shows he still loves Town. You may know him personally and can determine his passion for the club, I don't so I have to see some positive evidence from actions and words that have not been forthcoming recently. 'Things said' by whom? Actions taken? We'd be in administration if he hadn't stepped up and put more money in. Actions speak louder than words Administration? Do you mean after PH? If so, it's in his best interests that we don't go into administration, he won't let it get to a situation, as the clubs major creditor, where he gets 1p in every £1's worth of debt owed is he?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 20:32:01 GMT 1
Here he is! Jesus wept. DH lived the dream. He had the most fantastic rags to riches story. Then he bought his childhood football club and took them to the Premier League. Real fairy tale stuff. Sadly, and it really is tragic on a personal level, it wasn’t enough. Now, I’ll never have anywhere near 1% of his wealth but if I did I’d like to think I wouldn’t dedicate my time to undoing my legacy by chasing the return of approx 10% of my assets. Surely he has better ways to spend his time, other things he’d rather do, other dreams to fulfill? Why is he wasting his life working full time running a football club if the dreams and ambitions are no longer there? Is it all about the hope of getting money from it? He could have happily thought ‘what a great adventure, a wonderful decade and now I’ll move on to the next stage in my life’. It all seems such a waste. Instead of resorting to blasphemy just answer my questions Blasphemy FFS. Bad news mate, that's all bollocks
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 20:35:00 GMT 1
'Things said' by whom? Actions taken? We'd be in administration if he hadn't stepped up and put more money in. Actions speak louder than words Administration? Do you mean after PH? If so, it's in his best interests that we don't go into administration, he won't let it get to a situation, as the clubs major creditor, where he gets 1p in every £1's worth of debt owed is he? Of course but it cost him and my reference was to actions taken
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jul 11, 2022 20:36:01 GMT 1
Instead of resorting to blasphemy just answer my questions Blasphemy FFS. Bad news mate, that's all bollocks In your not so very humble opinion
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 11, 2022 20:37:08 GMT 1
Blasphemy FFS. Bad news mate, that's all bollocks In your not so very humble opinion Yeah, your right, there's a sky fairy 🙄
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