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Post by Larry David on Jul 8, 2022 7:03:24 GMT 1
I read between the lines, and I think events of the last day or so likley indicate that the misalignment is clearly over funds available for players.
If that's the case (and I get we cannot spaff our way to become another Derby, we would all agree with that) Dean really does need to give way and let someone else take the reigns.
Fans want investment, decent players and progression. We all know it isn't guarenteed but I reckon 99 out of 100 fans walked out of Wembley saying to back Carlos and build on this year. Not silly money but a decent level considering we finished 3rd and make a load of money form Wembley.
The fact Dean hasn't done this is massively concerning and he is taking a huge risk with Schofield hoping he will replicate CC, so he is making the same stupid mistake he made with DW and Jan Siewert. Its a copy and paste strategy.
This says his heart isn't there... It's lazy and cheap. A sure sign of a man out of ideas and interest. season tickets were shifted on good numbers on the basis CC would be backed.
Sell up Dean and move on because with you at the helm I can't see us going forward.
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Post by buckers on Jul 8, 2022 7:14:56 GMT 1
I read between the lines, and I think events of the last day or so likley indicate that the misalignment is clearly over funds available for players. If that's the case (and I get we cannot spaff our way to become another Derby, we would all agree with that) Dean really does need to give way and let someone else take the reigns. Fans want investment, decent players and progression. We all know it isn't guarenteed but I reckon 99 out of 100 fans walked out of Wembley saying to back Carlos and build on this year. Not silly money but a decent level considering we finished 3rd and make a load of money form Wembley. The fact Dean hasn't done this is massively concerning and he is taking a huge risk with Schofield hoping he will replicate CC, so he is making the same stupid mistake he made with DW and Jan Siewert. Its a copy and paste strategy. This says his heart isn't there... It's lazy and cheap. A sure sign of a man out of ideas and interest. season tickets were shifted on good numbers on the basis CC would be backed. Sell up Dean and move on because with you at the helm I can't see us going forward. Agree with some of your points. One problem is finding a buyer that will invest after clearing Hoyles debt’s. No deal will suit Dean now unless it’s right for him. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 8, 2022 7:19:50 GMT 1
Unfortunately there isn’t a queue waiting to buy us. DH wants his money back. But what is anyone buying? A squad of players with a wage bill far in excess of our income and the name HTAFC.
We own a part of a ground. What is that actually worth???
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 8, 2022 7:27:22 GMT 1
He can only sell what he owns, which is 25% 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by buckers on Jul 8, 2022 7:51:37 GMT 1
He can only sell what he owns, which is 25% 🤦🏻♂️ What was the story I heard about something getting signed between Dean and Phil at Wembley? Was that not the shares? Or have I imagined that? |
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Post by Larry David on Jul 8, 2022 7:53:03 GMT 1
He can only sell what he owns, which is 25% 🤦🏻♂️ What was the story I heard about something getting signed between Dean and Phil at Wembley? Was that not the shares? Or have I imagined that? Beat me to it. Yes he owns the lot now so no excuse to sell up. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 8, 2022 7:54:49 GMT 1
Unfortunately there isn’t a queue waiting to buy us. DH wants his money back. But what is anyone buying? A squad of players with a wage bill far in excess of our income and the name HTAFC. We own a part of a ground. What is that actually worth??? The wage bill isn’t in excess of our income. It’s between £10-12m, same as our revenue without parachute payments. |
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Post by terriers2000 on Jul 8, 2022 7:56:37 GMT 1
It's time to gooooo !
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jul 8, 2022 8:00:07 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer.
Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him?
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jul 8, 2022 8:02:55 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it.
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Post by Larry David on Jul 8, 2022 8:07:14 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. That's rubbish. We get gates of 15-18k. These people are not paying with magic beans We sell players for profits We sell a load of merch That attitude is what we used to be back at Leeds Rd era. We are an established championship club and need the investment to progress. |
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Post by Melc on Jul 8, 2022 8:13:20 GMT 1
What was the story I heard about something getting signed between Dean and Phil at Wembley? Was that not the shares? Or have I imagined that? Beat me to it. Yes he owns the lot now so no excuse to sell up. Where have you heard that he has now got the full shares? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 8, 2022 8:14:46 GMT 1
How many other Championship clubs, excluding the ones getting Parachute payments, are making notable player investments, there doesn’t appear to be a great amount of spending being done at the moment.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 8:15:53 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. That's rubbish. We get gates of 15-18k. These people are not paying with magic beans We sell players for profits We sell a load of merch That attitude is what we used to be back at Leeds Rd era. We are an established championship club and need the investment to progress. Wish more people had this kind of positive attitude. Too many consider us to be just a rubbish club when in reality we have come on in leaps and bounds in the last 5 years. Of course the problem with having a positive attitude in the club is that it brings a level of expectation. We’ve taken yet another blow but need to get over this quickly, regroup and get ready for the Burnley game. A good performance against them and things might start to look ok again. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 8, 2022 8:16:03 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. That's rubbish. We get gates of 15-18k. These people are not paying with magic beans We sell players for profits We sell a load of merch That attitude is what we used to be back at Leeds Rd era. We are an established championship club and need the investment to progress. "our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it" Half the supports doesn't come from Huddersfield now  |
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Post by est1908 on Jul 8, 2022 8:17:36 GMT 1
What was the story I heard about something getting signed between Dean and Phil at Wembley? Was that not the shares? Or have I imagined that? Beat me to it. Yes he owns the lot now so no excuse to sell up. Why would you know different to Companies House? |
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Post by Floyds on Jul 8, 2022 8:19:56 GMT 1
How many other Championship clubs, excluding the ones getting Parachute payments, are making notable player investments, there doesn’t appear to be a great amount of spending being done at the moment. Being outbid by the might of Luton Town the other day led to Carlos' departure. They're obviously backing their manager to go again after a failed play off campaign... |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 8:21:14 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. If that’s what you think you don’t read DATM very often. Lots of supporters travel in from outside Huddersfield - and that’s only going by a small sample of DATM posters. People who sit near me travel from London, Lincoln and one from near Newcastle. It’s the small minded attitudes that hold us back. |
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Post by Floyds on Jul 8, 2022 8:23:18 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. If that’s what you think you don’t read DATM very often. Lots of supporters travel in from outside Huddersfield - and that’s only going by a small sample of DATM posters. People who sit near me travel from London, Lincoln and one from near Newcastle. It’s the small minded attitudes that hold us back. I've season tickets and travel in from Northern Ireland  |
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Post by loumacari on Jul 8, 2022 8:24:13 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer. Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him? This is exactly it and why Hodgkinson was the buyer last time and why we’re struggling to find one this time. Nobody is going to agree to give him his £50m back. |
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Post by Melc on Jul 8, 2022 8:25:47 GMT 1
Beat me to it. Yes he owns the lot now so no excuse to sell up. Why would you know different to Companies House? I think he has got his wired crossed here and going by a story in the Daily Mail that contracts had been exchanged between DH and PH at Wembley. Hoyle claimed otherwise after that story broke I think. |
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Post by Towner47 on Jul 8, 2022 8:30:49 GMT 1
Thought the deal to buy back his 75% from PH had still not actually been completed?
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Post by Floyds on Jul 8, 2022 8:33:07 GMT 1
Dean seemingly wants out but also wants all his money back. He’s not going to write any of it off so the new owner will need to clear those debts for him, and that’ll probably be more than the club is realistically worth to a buyer. Assuming that we sell o Brien and Toffolo and £10m is used to clear debts, how much would we still owe him? This is exactly it and why Hodgkinson was the buyer last time and why we’re struggling to find one this time. Nobody is going to agree to give him his £50m back. Hypothetically, would we have been better off going into Administration again under Phil, and being relegated to League One? At least we could build back and with a team of players from the Academy. The road we're seemingly on we'll end up in League One anyway and still owing Dean Hoyle £50m (or whatever it is). We could do with a clean break from him.  |
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 8, 2022 8:35:00 GMT 1
I’m just glad we had a good season. Imagine if we hadn’t been on tv practically every week, reached the play-offs, got to a Wembley final and sold 16,000 tickets off the back of it. We’d be in massive trouble now, surely?!
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 8, 2022 8:36:21 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. If that’s what you think you don’t read DATM very often. Lots of supporters travel in from outside Huddersfield - and that’s only going by a small sample of DATM posters. People who sit near me travel from London, Lincoln and one from near Newcastle. It’s the small minded attitudes that hold us back. I live in Hudds but I'm originally from the Spen Valley. The attitude of loads of folk in Hudds is so parochial and self depreciating. When we moved here 6 years ago there was anger on the local FB group about 'non local people' moving here and working in Leeds or Manchester. Non local people seemed to be anyone not born within about 500 yards These attitudes bleeds into the fanbase. It's a reasonably big place, certainly bigger than most outsiders think, but locals seem determined for it to be seen as some fucking village. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 8:41:33 GMT 1
If that’s what you think you don’t read DATM very often. Lots of supporters travel in from outside Huddersfield - and that’s only going by a small sample of DATM posters. People who sit near me travel from London, Lincoln and one from near Newcastle. It’s the small minded attitudes that hold us back. I live in Hudds but I'm originally from the Spen Valley. The attitude of loads of folk in Hudds is so parochial and self depreciating. When we moved here 6 years ago there was anger on the local FB group about 'non local people' moving here and working in Leeds or Manchester. Non local people seemed to be anyone not born within about 500 yards These attitudes bleeds into the fanbase. It's a reasonably big place, certainly bigger than most outsiders think, but locals seem determined for it to be seen as some fucking village. Agree. I live between Wakefield and Huddersfield - lots of Town fans in my area. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 8, 2022 8:46:58 GMT 1
We are about to get a dose of reality in the next few years. The Hoyle years we're an exception to the normal way of things at HTAFC. Our revenue is that of a league 1 club not a championship club. We don't have any potential buyers because we are a club which has little prospect of growth because our support is li.ited to Huddersfield and that's it. If that’s what you think you don’t read DATM very often. Lots of supporters travel in from outside Huddersfield - and that’s only going by a small sample of DATM posters. People who sit near me travel from London, Lincoln and one from near Newcastle. It’s the small minded attitudes that hold us back. It absolutely blows my mind how self depreciating the clubs supporters are at times. The reality is that the club has supporters from all over the world and not just expats of the Huddersfield area. |
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jul 8, 2022 8:47:46 GMT 1
In hindsight, the fact that there was no statement from the club re the non intervention of VAR in one of the most important games in world football despite fans being up in arms, perhaps indicated that his heart is no longer in it to the same extent.
It was like the club didn’t care. Same with the ticket situation. No communication, just all felt a bit “oh well never mind” to me when Town fans were hurting.
Needed a bit more gumption from the club. Actually felt a little let down by it tbh. Wouldn’t have changed anything but at least may have felt that the club was hurting the same as the real owners of the club. - the fans.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 8:49:54 GMT 1
In hindsight, the fact that there was no statement from the club re the non intervention of VAR in one of the most important games in world football despite fans being up in arms, perhaps indicated that his heart is no longer in it to the same extent. It was like the club didn’t care. Same with the ticket situation. No communication, just all felt a bit “oh well never mind” to me when Town fans were hurting. Needed a bit more gumption from the club. Actually felt a little let down by it tbh. Wouldn’t have changed anything but at least may have felt that the club was hurting the same as the real owners of the club. - the fans. I thought the club were dignified in response to the VAR situation. I would agree re the ticket fiasco - it would have been nice to at least know that they were aware of the situation. |
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 8, 2022 8:52:29 GMT 1
Unfortunately there isn’t a queue waiting to buy us. DH wants his money back. But what is anyone buying? A squad of players with a wage bill far in excess of our income and the name HTAFC. We own a part of a ground. What is that actually worth??? The wage bill isn’t in excess of our income. It’s between £10-12m, same as our revenue without parachute payments. Are you sure? Was more like 20m the last time i saw it. Anyway, even at 11-12m, thats our income and youve then got the rest of the costs of running the club. |
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