180 Mins Not a shot on Goal and No sign of a CF

[York Terrier]

It’s been obvious for the past 4 seasons we need a quick strong mobile CF who can score goals yet we never even appear to be looking for one. DW and JR and not good enough but We sign defenders and midfield players. Last night we where poor no attacking threat whatsoever and we only had JR to bring on as an attacking option. No shots on goal in two games sort of emphasis the problem to everyone apart from the ones responsible for recruitment.

[Million Dollar Babies]

Scoring goals in open play is over rated

[herefordaway]

Preston at home last season,who needs shots on target

[themanfromatlantis]

Jul 30, 2022 12:38:04 GMT 1 York Terrier said:

It’s been obvious for the past 4 seasons we need a quick strong mobile CF who can score goals yet we never even appear to be looking for one. DW and JR and not good enough but We sign defenders and midfield players. Last night we where poor no attacking threat whatsoever and we only had JR to bring on as an attacking option. No shots on goal in two games sort of emphasis the problem to everyone apart from the ones responsible for recruitment.

I don’t disagree with the point in general, I think we are weaker in the CF position than other areas. But it didn’t seem to hold us back last season, otherwise we wouldn’t have finished third.

Last night was a bad day at the office. We’ll have more of them as we go through the season, the aim being to make them the exception as opposed to the rule.

[goodbet]

Jul 30, 2022 15:32:52 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

Jul 30, 2022 12:38:04 GMT 1 York Terrier said:

It’s been obvious for the past 4 seasons we need a quick strong mobile CF who can score goals yet we never even appear to be looking for one. DW and JR and not good enough but We sign defenders and midfield players. Last night we where poor no attacking threat whatsoever and we only had JR to bring on as an attacking option. No shots on goal in two games sort of emphasis the problem to everyone apart from the ones responsible for recruitment.

I don’t disagree with the point in general, I think we are weaker in the CF position than other areas. But it didn’t seem to hold us back last season, otherwise we wouldn’t have finished third.

Last night was a bad day at the office. We’ll have more of them as we go through the season, the aim being to make them the exception as opposed to the rule.

It was not a bad day at the office it was an absolute terrible day at the office. Most people only turned up to swap stories about their holidays. The new manager was sat on the side-lines not dealing out constant instructions from the side lines like the old gaffer. The lift was not working and everyone had to walk up the steps and after that did not have the energy to lift a finger.

A bit like one of my days in the office!

[brighousebandbred]

Jul 30, 2022 12:41:40 GMT 1 Million Dollar Babies said:

Scoring goals in open play is over rated

Creating chances to score goals is overrated.

[wildbillthetownfan]

Football is a simple game! score more goals than the opposition and you'll win the game. We are crying out for a striker, Ward will get injured at some stage of the season while Rhodes can't perform for 90 minutes every game. We didn't have a shot on target at Wembley and against Burnley we only managed just one shot all game is simply appalling, where are our goals going to come from.

[impact]

It's pointless getting a striker if we aren't going to create any chances.

[ldotm]

Jul 31, 2022 18:06:12 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Football is a simple game! score more goals than the opposition and you'll win the game. We are crying out for a striker, Ward will get injured at some stage of the season while Rhodes can't perform for 90 minutes every game. We didn't have a shot on target at Wembley and against Burnley we only managed just one shot all game is simply appalling, where are our goals going to come from.

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If you think a striker would’ve solved our problems on Friday, then you’re clueless.

[King Curtis]

Jul 31, 2022 19:23:33 GMT 1 impact said:

It's pointless getting a striker if we aren't going to create any chances.

Is this post serious?

Or have you never played football?

[wildbillthetownfan]

Jul 31, 2022 20:12:28 GMT 1 ldotm said:

Jul 31, 2022 18:06:12 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Football is a simple game! score more goals than the opposition and you'll win the game. We are crying out for a striker, Ward will get injured at some stage of the season while Rhodes can't perform for 90 minutes every game. We didn't have a shot on target at Wembley and against Burnley we only managed just one shot all game is simply appalling, where are our goals going to come from.

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If you think a striker would’ve solved our problems on Friday, then you’re clueless.

I have been calling for a new striker for the last 18 months and who mentioned anything about Friday night, if anything it's you who is clueless pal.

[ldotm]

Jul 31, 2022 21:30:06 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Jul 31, 2022 20:12:28 GMT 1 ldotm said:

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If you think a striker would’ve solved our problems on Friday, then you’re clueless.

I have been calling for a new striker for the last 18 months and who mentioned anything about Friday night, if anything it's you who is clueless pal.

You literally mentioned not having a shot on target v Burnley, to support your argument of needing a striker…

[Tinpot]

The addition of Mitrovic to our side on Friday would have made no difference.

If you don't create chances, you don't score. Wardy's snap shot that went over the bar was the only chance I remember us creating.

[heffingdream44]

As another poster said earlier in the chain, football is a simple game. Score more than the opposition and you’ll be successful. Our problem is that to do that, you have to be better than your opponents. We are not.

I rarely post on here because I see the abuse other people get for giving their opinions, yet on this occasion I will give you mine. Town will never be successful while ever Dean is still involved with the club. This includes the club having loan repayments to him.

All businessmen have an exit strategy. Ideally a Qatari business man rolling in bank notes will come along and see that his next toy should be Huddersfield Town, but let’s face it, that is unlikely. It isn’t commercially attractive because there aren’t many kids outside Huddersfield, that dream of waking up and opening a blue and white striped shirt on their birthday. It would take 20 years of top flight success to make that happen. Instead DH needed to find a way of getting his money out and let’s face it, the club owns nothing of any value, so the only way of doing this is by setting up repayments directly from the club to himself. In comes PH who can oversee this and bag a couple of quid himself once deans money is returned to DH. If PH hadn’t have had financial problems, it would be all happening in the background. The millions PH would be making for being the middle man was enough for him to take the stick from the fans and DH walks off a hero.

Unfortunately DH had to step back in. If he doesn’t, he loses all the money owed to him as the loans wouldn’t be repaid. The problem is that he needs to cover the costs of these loans too. Which starts a vicious circle of extra loans, on longer terms. When he says that the club is losing c10mil a season, this is mostly in the debt to himself. Each time he funds the loans himself, creates another loan to be paid at a later date.

Until DH goes, the club will be hamstrung by loans that cripple us. There will be player sales year on year to repay it and there will be little investment in the playing squad (unless it is a small amount for a young player who we can likely sell on). Until we break this chain and Dean goes, we will never be better than other teams. Last year was just masking the cracks.

Slate me if you want, but what I’m saying is likely to be close to reality…There’ll be no new striker, just Josh Koroma cutting in from the left and blasting a shot against the closest defender. It will be a long season…

[tyketaffy]

There will be player sales every season for the simple reason we do not generate enough income to cover the running costs of the club any other way, Its simple economics and unless we get another owner who can cover the costs and put extra in the pot thats how its going to stay. Any new owner would have do the same thing to run the club within the rules.


"Unfortunately DH had to step back in. If he doesn’t, he loses all the money owed to him as the loans wouldn’t be repaid", yes and we would have gone into administration with all the points deducations and penalties that would incur Love him or loath him without Hoyle's cash we would never have got to the championship never mind the prem.

[Richard1986]

There seems to have been a mentality at the club for a long time that the way forward has been to do things on the cheap by playing a one striker system.

For me it’s not a style of play that interests me in the slightest and find it particularly disappointing after the pre-season comments from Bromby that we were focusing recruitment on attack. Seems clear now that what he meant by that was signing wingers and attacking midfielders again… 😒

[ram]

Did he tell the players that on Friday?

[Drew Peacock]

Aug 1, 2022 9:40:06 GMT 1 Richard1986 said:

There seems to have been a mentality at the club for a long time that the way forward has been to do things on the cheap by playing a one striker system.

For me it’s not a style of play that interests me in the slightest and find it particularly disappointing after the pre-season comments from Bromby that we were focusing recruitment on attack. Seems clear now that what he meant by that was signing wingers and attacking midfielders again… 😒

95% of teams play with one striker

[wildbillthetownfan]

Modern football these days is played with one striker but when i grew up we all played with two strikers. When Town won the old second division and got promoted in to the top flight we like every other team played with two strikers and we only used 14 players that season and were champions. Football is a simple game! made harder by managers and coaches who are obsessed with tactics. Bertie Mee at Arsenal always said "if you don't concede you don't lose games" i say if you score more than the opposition you win games, not many on here now will remember that great Mick Buxton side you do not score 101 goal's a season with one striker.

[ldotm]

Aug 1, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Modern football these days is played with one striker but when i grew up we all played with two strikers. When Town won the old second division and got promoted in to the top flight we like every other team played with two strikers and we only used 14 players that season and were champions. Football is a simple game! made harder by managers and coaches who are obsessed with tactics. Bertie Mee at Arsenal always said "if you don't concede you don't lose games" i say if you score more than the opposition you win games, not many on here now will remember that great Mick Buxton side you do not score 101 goal's a season with one striker.

Michael Owen on crack.

[buxtonboys101]

"It’s been obvious for the past 4 seasons we need a quick strong mobile CF who can score goals yet we never even appear to be looking for one. DW and JR and not good enough but We sign defenders and midfield players. Last night we where poor no attacking threat whatsoever and we only had JR to bring on as an attacking option. No shots on goal in two games sort of emphasis the problem to everyone apart from the ones responsible for recruitment."

To be totally honest this seems to have been the case since Dean Hoyle took over. Remember all those wingers and midfield players he allowed Clarke to sign? When we had Grant Holt, even though it was not for long, it showed clearly what we needed on the field in the championship but we have signally failed to find a strapping centre forward since.

[araucaria]

Aug 1, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Modern football these days is played with one striker but when i grew up we all played with two strikers. When Town won the old second division and got promoted in to the top flight we like every other team played with two strikers and we only used 14 players that season and were champions. Football is a simple game! made harder by managers and coaches who are obsessed with tactics. Bertie Mee at Arsenal always said "if you don't concede you don't lose games" i say if you score more than the opposition you win games, not many on here now will remember that great Mick Buxton side you do not score 101 goal's a season with one striker.

You're writing about 1969-70? Who was the other striker besides Frank?

[iangreaves]

Aug 1, 2022 20:05:33 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Aug 1, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Modern football these days is played with one striker but when i grew up we all played with two strikers. When Town won the old second division and got promoted in to the top flight we like every other team played with two strikers and we only used 14 players that season and were champions. Football is a simple game! made harder by managers and coaches who are obsessed with tactics. Bertie Mee at Arsenal always said "if you don't concede you don't lose games" i say if you score more than the opposition you win games, not many on here now will remember that great Mick Buxton side you do not score 101 goal's a season with one striker.

You're writing about 1969-70? Who was the other striker besides Frank?

Jimmy Lawson

[wildbillthetownfan]

Aug 1, 2022 20:05:33 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Aug 1, 2022 18:14:47 GMT 1 wildbillthetownfan said:

Modern football these days is played with one striker but when i grew up we all played with two strikers. When Town won the old second division and got promoted in to the top flight we like every other team played with two strikers and we only used 14 players that season and were champions. Football is a simple game! made harder by managers and coaches who are obsessed with tactics. Bertie Mee at Arsenal always said "if you don't concede you don't lose games" i say if you score more than the opposition you win games, not many on here now will remember that great Mick Buxton side you do not score 101 goal's a season with one striker.

You're writing about 1969-70? Who was the other striker besides Frank?

Colin Dobson and i seem to recall Brian Greenhalgh who hardly got a game for us.

[araucaria]

Aug 1, 2022 20:07:58 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Aug 1, 2022 20:05:33 GMT 1 araucaria said:

You're writing about 1969-70? Who was the other striker besides Frank?

Jimmy Lawson

Lawson was very much a midfielder at that time, although he got forward more often than the other two in the midfield three. We played with Frank and two wingers practically all season, once Brian Greenhalgh was left out. Note from his reply that willbill wasn't thinking of Jimmy Lawson as the other striker.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Aug 2, 2022 10:34:34 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Aug 1, 2022 20:07:58 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Jimmy Lawson

Lawson was very much a midfielder at that time, although he got forward more often than the other two in the midfield three. We played with Frank and two wingers practically all season, once Brian Greenhalgh was left out. Note from his reply that willbill wasn't thinking of Jimmy Lawson as the other striker.

I recall that John Dungworth was also in the squad at about that time.

[araucaria]

Aug 2, 2022 10:54:48 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Aug 2, 2022 10:34:34 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Lawson was very much a midfielder at that time, although he got forward more often than the other two in the midfield three. We played with Frank and two wingers practically all season, once Brian Greenhalgh was left out. Note from his reply that willbill wasn't thinking of Jimmy Lawson as the other striker.

I recall that John Dungworth was also in the squad at about that time.

Not quite; we won promotion at Middlesbrough the day before his 15th birthday. Unlike Greenhalgh he did manage a goal for us - on his debut, (10 minutes in?) at Middlesbrough, but didn't score again in 22 more league appearances. He scored lots of goals in the lower divisions, particularly for Aldershot. Two things I'd forgotten about him: he played in 4 of the last 6/7 games of the 1974-75 relegation season and replaced Terry Yorath as our first team coach in 2006.

[wigster]

Aug 2, 2022 10:34:34 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Aug 1, 2022 20:07:58 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Jimmy Lawson

Lawson was very much a midfielder at that time, although he got forward more often than the other two in the midfield three. We played with Frank and two wingers practically all season, once Brian Greenhalgh was left out. Note from his reply that willbill wasn't thinking of Jimmy Lawson as the other striker.

Again, difference of opinion as ever. For me Jimmy Lawson was a striker - I think "officially" he might have been a winger.

Les Chapman also scored goals - certainly more of a winger.

Steve Smith - also more of a winger. Never a glamour boy but scored his fair share.

To compare our "firepower" nowadays with that of the Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton (Robins, Kindon, Fletcher), Warnock (Booth,Jepson etc) eras is a tad embarrassing.

If we ARE to play with one striker, compare Ashley Barnes' performance last Friday with Danny Ward's.

[araucaria]

Aug 2, 2022 11:27:13 GMT 1 wigster said:

Aug 2, 2022 10:34:34 GMT 1 araucaria said:

Lawson was very much a midfielder at that time, although he got forward more often than the other two in the midfield three. We played with Frank and two wingers practically all season, once Brian Greenhalgh was left out. Note from his reply that willbill wasn't thinking of Jimmy Lawson as the other striker.

Again, difference of opinion as ever. For me Jimmy Lawson was a striker - I think "officially" he might have been a winger.

Les Chapman also scored goals - certainly more of a winger.

Steve Smith - also more of a winger. Never a glamour boy but scored his fair share.

To compare our "firepower" nowadays with that of the Ian Greaves, Mick Buxton (Robins, Kindon, Fletcher), Warnock (Booth,Jepson etc) eras is a tad embarrassing.

If we ARE to play with one striker, compare Ashley Barnes' performance last Friday with Danny Ward's.

Lawson was never a winger, although he was a striker, from time to time, when he got his own way. In Huddersfield Town: A Complete Record 1910-1990, it says 'His first season in Division One was marred by disagreements with management - Lawson felt his best position was as an attacker - and he was eventually sacked and transfer-listed for breach of contract. In November 1971, however, Lawson was re-instated and finished top scorer with 9 goals...' It also says that he signed from Middlesbrough in May 1968 'and soon formed an understanding with his fellow forwards...It was as a midfield tactician, however, that Lawson played a key role in Town's Second Division championship success of !970'.

So we're both right, but given that wildbill started this with his claim that we had two strikers in 1969-70, and Jimmy Lawson wasn't one of them, I think the point that Frank was a lone striker, supported by other 'attackers', is proved beyond much doubt.

Looking at Jimmy's goalscoring record, it bears out my recollection that only in 1971-72 (9 goals in 40 appearances - he wasn't sacked for long)) and 1973-74 (7 goals in 31/7) did he play as a striker. His solitary goal in 22 games in 1972-73 is worse even than young Dungworth's, but perhaps explained by his being back in midfield.