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Post by wigster on Oct 15, 2022 16:36:03 GMT 1
...we have appointed 3 people who have NEVER been manager before.
Very possibly 3 very nice men. The other things they have in common is that they were CHEAP and looked totally out of their depth.
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Post by impact on Oct 15, 2022 16:39:30 GMT 1
Wagner had only coached a 2nd team. Carlos hadn't managed before.
Chris Powell and Stan Ternant were experienced managers.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 15, 2022 16:41:22 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game?
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 15, 2022 16:44:46 GMT 1
Wagner had only coached a 2nd team. Carlos hadn't managed before. Chris Powell and Stan Ternant were very experienced managers. And that’s why all this shite about cheap option is exactly that. Shite. Picking a manager for a team of our standard is basically a lottery |
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Post by jqhtfc on Oct 15, 2022 16:45:00 GMT 1
Wagner had only coached a 2nd team. Carlos hadn't managed before. Chris Powell and Stan Ternant were experienced managers. Pretty sure Carlos had been a manager before and Wagner although yeah it was Dortmund 2nd team play in the German league system |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 15, 2022 16:51:36 GMT 1
Yeah Carlos had managed abroad first team
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Post by wigster on Oct 15, 2022 16:55:08 GMT 1
Wagner had only coached a 2nd team. Carlos hadn't managed before. Chris Powell and Stan Ternant were experienced managers. Fair point, impact but would you (or the Cap'n) agree that the three I mentioned were cheap and looked out of their depth ? |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 15, 2022 16:55:13 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game? Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 15, 2022 16:58:21 GMT 1
Peter Jackson had never managed a senior team before us. Neither had Mick Buxton. The other Mick that managed us had over a decade of experience. As did Brian Horton.
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 15, 2022 17:01:38 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game? Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. Could he have sold us.. to who? And how when he doesn't even own us yet? Dont really get how 'he gambled on us going up' last season.. we did it without actually buying anyone so what was the gamble?! By the sound of it he can afford to put in about £100k every week, though how long he'll want to do that is anybody guess. If we need more than that then yeah we're fucked..we'll end up where we deserve to be wherever that is. |
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 15, 2022 17:07:33 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game? Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. According to some on here no-one can/would buy us and that we are lucky to have Hoyle in charge, funny how other clubs including some that are quite unfashionable manage to find a buyer. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 15, 2022 17:08:25 GMT 1
Hoyle is living proof that money doesn't equate to happiness.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 15, 2022 17:11:00 GMT 1
...we have appointed 3 people who have NEVER been manager before. Very possibly 3 very nice men. The other things they have in common is that they were CHEAP and looked totally out of their depth. I Don't think that Lee Clark had been a manager before us either. |
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Post by wigster on Oct 15, 2022 17:11:39 GMT 1
Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. Could he have sold us.. to who? And how when he doesn't even own us yet? Dont really get how 'he gambled on us going up' last season.. we did it without actually buying anyone so what was the gamble?! By the sound of it he can afford to put in about £100k every week, though how long he'll want to do that is anybody guess. If we need more than that then yeah we're fucked..we'll end up where we deserve to be wherever that is. Would the "gamble" be that he was about to sell, then we looked like going up, so he stopped the sale. We, obviously, didn't go up so his "gamble" failed ? I have no idea - only that that was rumoured on here at the time. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 15, 2022 17:11:49 GMT 1
Peter Jackson had never managed a senior team before us. Neither had Mick Buxton. The other Mick that managed us had over a decade of experience. As did Brian Horton. Its 2022 though. Making the lads run up Kilner Bank repeatedly doesn't cut it anymore |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 15, 2022 17:20:48 GMT 1
In the premier league, stock at an all time high, sell to someone with no money, jump back in when plan fails and put in the bare minimum to keep us ticking over.
At boardroom level this club is an absolute farce.
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Post by huddersfc on Oct 15, 2022 17:22:17 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game? Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. I would doubt that he cant afford to run the club. If so he wouldnt have paid any money for transfers in after failing to get promotion. If you cant afford to run the club you wouldnt have paid out for Helik and the rest. I reckon the other part might be true. Obviously Marcus Evans looked like the front runner to take over the club. We then kept winning and moving up the league and the whole sale of the club talk went away. Maybe he saw the opportunity to recover the loans by taking a gamble and hoping we got promoted. It would have been a good time to sell while the stock was high, but I am not sure we are very attractive at the minute. A team in the bottom 3 and playing like a bottom 3 side, losing the head coach who got you to 3rd last season, losing a lot of our star players and having this plan embedded to bring in unknown coaches and hope one of them turns out to be the next Wagner. I have to say I dont have anything against bringing in unknowns, if the correct scouting is done, but sometimes you have to have a plan B to steady the ship. Thats something that PH did, when he wasnt afraid to say, this isnt working, we need some stability and a manager to make sure we give ourselves the best chance to stay up. Unfortunately at the minute we cant seem to think outside the box. Its one way and if that doesnt work, try again. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 15, 2022 17:24:09 GMT 1
Town lose and threads and comments begin.
Embarrassing
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Post by Toxic Ted on Oct 15, 2022 17:25:16 GMT 1
I didn’t watch today. Sat with the TV on the other side. Bored of being bored, get annoyed at getting annoyed. Far easier to simply disengage. Saw the final score on Soccer Saturday a couple of hours later and just rolled my eyes.
A sad sign of the times.
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Post by orinoco on Oct 15, 2022 17:25:22 GMT 1
Dean has set his stall out now for running Town, he surprised a lot when coughed up in the last window, fans can moan now but nothing will change whilst he is in charge, he now has a manager with a 3 year contract, no chance he will get rid, bit of a daft move TBH. Strange times ahead at Town.
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 15, 2022 17:31:35 GMT 1
Peter Jackson had never managed a senior team before us. Neither had Mick Buxton. The other Mick that managed us had over a decade of experience. As did Brian Horton. Its 2022 though. Making the lads run up Kilner Bank repeatedly doesn't cut it anymore it's not about the methods, it's the fact that the whole history of the club has proven that the relative talent and experience of managers rarely correlate. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 15, 2022 17:35:25 GMT 1
... Janet!
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 15, 2022 17:41:07 GMT 1
Its 2022 though. Making the lads run up Kilner Bank repeatedly doesn't cut it anymore it's not about the methods, it's the fact that the whole history of the club has proven that the relative talent and experience of managers rarely correlate. We're a club that's rarely been able to attract good experienced managers. So what you're doing is comparing those in their first jobs with crap managers who have bounced around clubs including us. If there was ever something which told you everything you needed to know about this club and it's ambition, it was appointing a rookie German as manager of a Premier League side when we would have been able to attract someone half decent |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 15, 2022 17:46:09 GMT 1
Something has to give now though. I heard an interesting story from a prospective sponsor the club were trying to woo who basically said that Hoyle gambled on us getting promoted again when he could have sold and now he can't afford to run us. If its true we are fucked. Could he have sold us.. to who? And how when he doesn't even own us yet? Dont really get how 'he gambled on us going up' last season.. we did it without actually buying anyone so what was the gamble?! There was as strong an implication as we're ever likely to get that Marcus Evans could have bought the club. And how...well Dean has power of attorney over Pure Sports Consultancy (who own the majority), so he could make anything happen, he has full and complete control and ownership to all intents and purpose. The gamble being inferred is...he decided not to sell when the opportunity was there, on the chance that we'd get promoted, in which case he'd have a club, as well as a reasonable chance of getting back another big slice of his loaned money. We didn't get promoted, the gamble was lost. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Oct 15, 2022 17:49:37 GMT 1
Do we really need the same old anti-Hoyle thread every time we dont win a game? Going to be a lot of them then because we will lose a lot this year. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 15, 2022 17:50:53 GMT 1
it's not about the methods, it's the fact that the whole history of the club has proven that the relative talent and experience of managers rarely correlate. We're a club that's rarely been able to attract good experienced managers. So what you're doing is comparing those in their first jobs with crap managers who have bounced around clubs including us. If there was ever something which told you everything you needed to know about this club and it's ambition, it was appointing a rookie German as manager of a Premier League side when we would have been able to attract someone half decent not sure on that. Powell was very well regarded when he came here, Grayson similarly so, Robins did well before us and has done since, Warnock was a top division manager a couple of years before joining us, Hand managed Ireland before us, even Ritchie had a recent promotion on the CV. Varying fortunes among that lot. As there has been for Schofield, Wagner, Buxton, Greaves, Siewert, etc etc. The latter of which I don't think anyone thought was a good idea at the time, even people like me who tend to prefer new unknown managers over the usual revolving door types like Bruce, Pulis, Warnock and co. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Oct 15, 2022 17:53:59 GMT 1
Another bullshit thread crying about money.
I’m sure it’s the same half a dozen posters.
What is enough money to spend to put a dummy in their mouth….in addition to the £5 million extra needed each year to keep the club afloat?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Oct 15, 2022 18:01:44 GMT 1
...we have appointed 3 people who have NEVER been manager before. Very possibly 3 very nice men. The other things they have in common is that they were CHEAP and looked totally out of their depth. The daft thing again is that had we pushed up once, 10 yards,it would have been a draw. 2 away draws and a home win?  I realise all the issues but the truth is some more getting of the very basics right and its not the end. Its bloody frustrating more than anything else.. Its worse because with Pearson back, Simpson to be a different option and Hogg sitting whilst Kasumu and Camara play further up today would probably never have looked as bad as it did in parts. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 15, 2022 18:05:08 GMT 1
Wagner had only coached a 2nd team. Carlos hadn't managed before. Chris Powell and Stan Ternant were experienced managers. Wagner coached the Dortmund B team in the German lower leagues for 4 years, it was his team to coach as he saw fit. Corberan coached two teams in the Cypriot league, they were his teams to coach as he saw fit. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 15, 2022 18:12:47 GMT 1
Could he have sold us.. to who? And how when he doesn't even own us yet? Dont really get how 'he gambled on us going up' last season.. we did it without actually buying anyone so what was the gamble?! By the sound of it he can afford to put in about £100k every week, though how long he'll want to do that is anybody guess. If we need more than that then yeah we're fucked..we'll end up where we deserve to be wherever that is. Would the "gamble" be that he was about to sell, then we looked like going up, so he stopped the sale. We, obviously, didn't go up so his "gamble" failed ? I have no idea - only that that was rumoured on here at the time. Might be. We were heavily linked with that Evans guy the Ipswich fans all hate so much. To be fair he'd have been insane to sell the club for its championship price ( if he could sell something he only owns 25% of ) when we had a good chance of being a PL club soon after. |
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