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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 29, 2023 17:03:24 GMT 1
As this is understandably meandering into other Mgrs.
Had Carlos stayed, you might not have seen Warnock one last time at HTFC.
Would CC have gone one better with the right backing? We’ll never know of course, but those few games with Warnock were why I support Town. It’s the nature of our club that means we rarely do tepid. It seems to be all good or all bad.
I know I’m asking if you would have swapped potential promotion for the survival battle that Warnock gave us, but I love the roller coaster.
Warnock reignited, rejuvenated and brought most of the fanbase together in that time, and we can now see that in a just a few weeks that spirit is back on its arse again.
I know the PL is the holy grail for the new owner, but I’m not sure what he’d think of it when he got there and he went from having experienced the highs of a promotion season, to the depths of despair and the money pit that the PL is. The margins are so tight, that if you are going to try and beat the odds, you need pretty much everything to go for you, as it did for us in that first season up there.
The PL, the journey is much better than the destination for me…
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Post by goodbet on Oct 29, 2023 17:15:30 GMT 1
As this is understandably meandering into other Mgrs. Had Carlos stayed, you might not have seen Warnock one last time at HTFC. Would CC have gone one better with the right backing? We’ll never know of course, but those few games with Warnock were why I support Town. It’s the nature of our club that means we rarely do tepid. It seems to be all good or all bad. I know I’m asking if you would have swapped potential promotion for the survival battle that Warnock gave us, but I love the roller coaster. Warnock reignited, rejuvenated and brought most of the fanbase together in that time, and we can now see that in a just a few weeks that spirit is back on its arse again. I know the PL is the holy grail for the new owner, but I’m not sure what he’d think of it when he got there and he went from having experienced the highs of a promotion season, to the depths of despair and the money pit that the PL is. The margins are so tight, that if you are going to try and beat the odds, you need pretty much everything to go for you, as it did for us in that first season up there. The PL, the journey is much better than the destination for me… They have made a statement that the PL is the target in three years time but their actions todate don't show any indication that they have any ambition at all.
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Oct 29, 2023 17:24:27 GMT 1
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Post by johntheterrier on Oct 29, 2023 17:24:27 GMT 1
As this is understandably meandering into other Mgrs. Had Carlos stayed, you might not have seen Warnock one last time at HTFC. Would CC have gone one better with the right backing? We’ll never know of course, but those few games with Warnock were why I support Town. It’s the nature of our club that means we rarely do tepid. It seems to be all good or all bad. I know I’m asking if you would have swapped potential promotion for the survival battle that Warnock gave us, but I love the roller coaster. Warnock reignited, rejuvenated and brought most of the fanbase together in that time, and we can now see that in a just a few weeks that spirit is back on its arse again. I know the PL is the holy grail for the new owner, but I’m not sure what he’d think of it when he got there and he went from having experienced the highs of a promotion season, to the depths of despair and the money pit that the PL is. The margins are so tight, that if you are going to try and beat the odds, you need pretty much everything to go for you, as it did for us in that first season up there. The PL, the journey is much better than the destination for me… Am sure the majority on Sheff Utd and Burnley fans will heartily agree just now.
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Post by southowram on Oct 29, 2023 17:33:30 GMT 1
This poll, I fear, is fuelled by a sense of entitlement that we should be top 6 /top half despite the squad obviously not being good enough.
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Post by Macduff on Oct 29, 2023 17:35:11 GMT 1
This poll, I fear, is fuelled by a sense of entitlement that we should be top 6 /top half despite the squad obviously not being good enough. Who asked you?
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Post by softboy on Oct 29, 2023 17:50:05 GMT 1
I am in no way defending Darren Moore but those are calling for his head really need to look at the bench recently just to see what he or any successor has to work with!
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Post by royrace on Oct 29, 2023 17:53:31 GMT 1
I am in no way defending Darren Moore but those are calling for his head really need to look at the bench recently just to see what he or any successor has to work with! Needs a very good coach to stand a chance and he isn't one. That's why people want him gone.
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Oct 29, 2023 19:00:39 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Oct 29, 2023 19:00:39 GMT 1
This poll, I fear, is fuelled by a sense of entitlement that we should be top 6 /top half despite the squad obviously not being good enough. Think its more about the style and coaching/setup of the team... we all know our squad is not a top 6 squad.
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Post by space hardware on Oct 29, 2023 19:19:12 GMT 1
This poll, I fear, is fuelled by a sense of entitlement that we should be top 6 /top half despite the squad obviously not being good enough. Pipe down, knob cheese
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Oct 30, 2023 6:45:10 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Oct 30, 2023 6:45:10 GMT 1
Surely there will be a 9am press release, if not its incompetence of the highest order... are waiting to get beat by Watford, stuffed by Hull and spanked by Southampton?
I can see the aggregate of those 3 games been at least 10-0 with Moore bingo.
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Oct 30, 2023 7:15:16 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 30, 2023 7:15:16 GMT 1
Surely there will be a 9am press release, if not its incompetence of the highest order... are waiting to get beat by Watford, stuffed by Hull and spanked by Southampton? I can see the aggregate of those 3 games been at least 10-0 with Moore bingo. Watford are poor this season. We might sneak something from it
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 30, 2023 7:18:27 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with.
Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame.
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Oct 30, 2023 7:21:57 GMT 1
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 30, 2023 7:21:57 GMT 1
Surely there will be a 9am press release, if not its incompetence of the highest order... are waiting to get beat by Watford, stuffed by Hull and spanked by Southampton? I can see the aggregate of those 3 games been at least 10-0 with Moore bingo. Watford are poor this season. We might sneak something from it They’ve not won away for several months , maybe in all of 2023 , it’s written in the stars
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Oct 30, 2023 7:29:03 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Oct 30, 2023 7:29:03 GMT 1
Surely there will be a 9am press release, if not its incompetence of the highest order... are waiting to get beat by Watford, stuffed by Hull and spanked by Southampton? I can see the aggregate of those 3 games been at least 10-0 with Moore bingo. Watford are poor this season. We might sneak something from it He needs a win if he's still in post... even a draw is a poor result in what would have been a home banker under warnock.. On top of that it needs to shoe signs of a confident, well organised win. 90 minutes like the 75 vs Ipswich and the 15 vs QPR.
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Oct 30, 2023 7:30:45 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Oct 30, 2023 7:30:45 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with. Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame. Getting to the stage where players are hiding in the treatment room to avoid Moore ball?
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 30, 2023 8:35:19 GMT 1
Surely there will be a 9am press release, if not its incompetence of the highest order... are waiting to get beat by Watford, stuffed by Hull and spanked by Southampton? I can see the aggregate of those 3 games been at least 10-0 with Moore bingo. I’m not sure what’s worse, your previous creation of being a transfer expert or this new character you’ve slipped into of being an expert football “front office” guy, issuing fake ultimatum’s.
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Oct 30, 2023 8:48:56 GMT 1
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Post by morrisraspass on Oct 30, 2023 8:48:56 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with. Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame. Getting to the stage where players are hiding in the treatment room to avoid Moore ball? I'd say that's entirely in your head
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Post by RickDangerous on Oct 30, 2023 9:39:03 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with. Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame. He's not helping himself. The way he's used Hoggy over the past 4 days he wants a mental evaluation. He's played him 90 minutes twice in 4 days, in games which were dead and buried well before half time. It's basic. I'd expect better from a Sunday league manager.
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Oct 30, 2023 9:42:14 GMT 1
Post by gledholt terrier on Oct 30, 2023 9:42:14 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with. Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame. He's not helping himself. The way he's used Hoggy over the past 4 days he wants a mental evaluation. He's played him 90 minutes twice in 4 days, in games which were dead and buried well before half time. It's basic. I'd expect better from a Sunday league manager. On the positive side, he will be resting on Saturday. 🙄
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Oct 30, 2023 9:44:17 GMT 1
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Post by townrwe on Oct 30, 2023 9:44:17 GMT 1
To be fair to Moore he literally has no players to work with. Cartwright and Jake Edwards are the ones to blame. He's not helping himself. The way he's used Hoggy over the past 4 days he wants a mental evaluation. He's played him 90 minutes twice in 4 days, in games which were dead and buried well before half time. It's basic. I'd expect better from a Sunday league manager. Totally.. and now we are without him vs Watford because of a yellow he received at 4-0 down. He made 2 subs on Saturday in what essentially was another dead rubber after 30 mins, if not beforehand. Sunday league is above his level... probably allow him to help out at tiny tots.. provided someone qualified was running the session... he could put a santa outfit on a Xmas.
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Oct 30, 2023 9:49:03 GMT 1
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Post by runner76 on Oct 30, 2023 9:49:03 GMT 1
I am in no way defending Darren Moore but those are calling for his head really need to look at the bench recently just to see what he or any successor has to work with! Needs a very good coach to stand a chance and he isn't one. That's why people want him gone. Surely his overall record shows he is a good manager?…..certainly doesn’t point to him being a bad manager…
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Post by townrwe on Oct 30, 2023 10:23:21 GMT 1
Needs a very good coach to stand a chance and he isn't one. That's why people want him gone. Surely his overall record shows he is a good manager?…..certainly doesn’t point to him being a bad manager… Compared to his budget he underperformed at Sheff Wed... he underperformed at West brom . Certainly didn't outperform his budget. That's why his appointment was so bizarre.. noise from the club was doing things differently and outperforming our budget and then first manager hasnt even matched his budget in any of his previous roles. I've said it previously. Those choosing the manager have looked at raw stats without understanding what they mean or adding any context. He's had the best squad at every club he's been at and suprise.. suprise his win % is fairly high. In reality.hes a below par manager... and with a below par squad he's deep in the shite.
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Oct 30, 2023 10:56:30 GMT 1
Needs a very good coach to stand a chance and he isn't one. That's why people want him gone. Surely his overall record shows he is a good manager?…..certainly doesn’t point to him being a bad manager… To be a good manager he’s either a good motivator who gets results despite some dubious performances, or he’s a good coach whose work on the training pitch is identifiable in what we can see during games, or he’s a good tactician who employs his resources effectively to stop the opposition doing what they want to do and plays to our strengths. I’m not seeing any of these. If the answer to that is that he had to strip it back to the beginning to start “the process” then that shows a fundamental misunderstanding and lack of judgement. If you have limited resources and time, you must take what good there is and build on that. Again, no sign. We are getting worse. If we are being asked to show patience, on what basis? There is absolutely nothing being shown that could be claimed to show we are heading in the right direction. Don’t take us for fools.
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Post by araucaria on Oct 30, 2023 11:00:14 GMT 1
Watford are poor this season. We might sneak something from it They’ve not won away for several months , maybe in all of 2023 , it’s written in the stars Actually they managed that elusive away win at Swansea last midweek and will now be anticipating another.
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Oct 30, 2023 11:36:04 GMT 1
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Post by Lovechops on Oct 30, 2023 11:36:04 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on .
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Post by Sio on Oct 30, 2023 11:41:40 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on . Can you blame them? He's the only person who has shown an ounce of understanding or compassion for the Club in the past 6-7 years, with the exception of the relatively emotionless Carlos. We have had a revolving door of chairmen, faceless DoFs and CEOs, terrible players, useless managers, and so on for so many years now. Warnock and Jepson came in and immediately reconnected the club with the fans. That was such a huge, intangible thing that the club completely overlooked when removing him - and now the attendances will plummet with yet another dull, characterless manager at the helm (as lovely as I'm sure he is).
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 11:47:12 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on . And because we've won one game in seven since we sacked NW and got worse each game. No-one would be mentioning Warnock if Moore had started well and not made us worse.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 11:50:13 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on . Can you blame them? He's the only person who has shown an ounce of understanding or compassion for the Club in the past 6-7 years, with the exception of the relatively emotionless Carlos. We have had a revolving door of chairmen, faceless DoFs and CEOs, terrible players, useless managers, and so on for so many years now. Warnock and Jepson came in and immediately reconnected the club with the fans. That was such a huge, intangible thing that the club completely overlooked when removing him - and now the attendances will plummet with yet another dull, characterless manager at the helm (as lovely as I'm sure he is). I've never seen a manager unite the fanbase instantly. As soon as he was appointed, Town fans actually thought we'd have a chance of staying up and the atmosphere for his first game was brilliant. Wagner may have had everyone behind him after a few games, but with Warnock it was instant. And in years to come, I think people will look back with a lot of fondness on that short period of time, because while we were shite up until then (and a bit afterwards as well!), it was one of the few times in my time watching Town where the management, players and fans were all pulling in the same direction. You don't get that very often and it'll probably be years before we get it again.
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Oct 30, 2023 11:53:12 GMT 1
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Post by Colin the Caterpillar on Oct 30, 2023 11:53:12 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on . I’m afraid the reason it’s so toxic, as Sio has said, is that we have been shite for 9/10 of the last 11 seasons, and in that time, by my reckoning, this latest apparent false dawn is the 5th we have endured (acceptance of not being able to compete after promotion in 2012, the premier league “step change”, Hodgkinson, building on finishing 3rd under Corberàn, now Nagle). Should I erase my memory completely? Maybe I should believe my own eyes that the guy we actually did get and what he has actually done isn’t good enough?
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Post by royrace on Oct 30, 2023 11:59:50 GMT 1
The reason it’s so toxic is because ppl have still got their heads stuck up NW arse! No matter who came in and what they did wouldn’t be good enough! Ppl need to erase NW from their minds and crack on . If the club had not assembled a squad that is frankly embarrassing for the championship and the worst we've ever had at this level then people wouldn't be so attached to NW. The fact is he was the only man that could have saved is last year and given the state of the summer window he's still the only one capable. Trust me if the squad had quality for this level there would be no clamour to appoint a 74 year old and hang on to him no matter how good his record. We can all see what the club can't, ie we need pragmatism and to stay in the league. It's damage limitation yet again with the dire state of the squad. Nothing to do with fans having their head up NWs arse as you so nicely put it
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