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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 29, 2023 22:42:20 GMT 1
The problem.
The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4.
Why he is not getting all the grief.
Sack him now - before he does anymore damage.
Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 29, 2023 22:49:53 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 29, 2023 22:51:08 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed 100% wrong |
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Post by shawsie on Oct 29, 2023 22:52:15 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Duncan.....youd have sacked warnock at times last season! And bromby ....... and now moore and cartwright Our budget is small as it is.......how long do guys get here by that reckoning?! I dont like the current position more than anyone does...... but some of the players are getting away with murder. The likes of nicholls, burgzorg, pearson have been way below their best standards. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 29, 2023 22:53:32 GMT 1
Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed 100% wrong Ok then |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 29, 2023 22:59:37 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Duncan.....youd have sacked warnock at times last season! And bromby ....... and now moore and cartwright Our budget is small as it is.......how long do guys get here by that reckoning?! I dont like the current position more than anyone does...... but some of the players are getting away with murder. The likes of nicholls, burgzorg, pearson have been way below their best standards. The best way I can put this. Wrong. |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 29, 2023 23:34:24 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed Is that why he completely dropped him from the team and bench? |
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Post by willo on Oct 30, 2023 0:22:13 GMT 1
Somebody’s up late for a school night.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 30, 2023 7:13:42 GMT 1
Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed Is that why he completely dropped him from the team and bench? Are you saying Warnock has never benched one of his signings before? He does get it wrong sometimes. Warnock and Cartwright were clashing over a lot of things and this signing was one of them. I'm sure someone like Maynard or PortugalTerrier will be able to confirm if I'm wrong on this |
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Post by durhamterrier on Oct 30, 2023 7:29:11 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Whilst I don’t think he’s done a cracking job so far , he wasn’t in place until late on in the summer so hard to blame him for the 20+ outgoings |
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Post by Mr Breitside on Oct 30, 2023 7:36:44 GMT 1
Edwards being a warnock signing is another one of the anti warnock lines that started to come after warnock was sacked and Moore appointed.
Add it to him doing things he shouldn't have been doing, he wasn't at training until Thursday, his results weren't great or his football was shit.
Not a shred of evidence, just people saying they heard it from someone they know.
We are seeing now how good he was and that his methods worked.
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Post by dezzly on Oct 30, 2023 9:30:17 GMT 1
I think what iv seen Maynard say on another thread may well turn out to be the case that he’s a bit of a chancer.
However the fact that warnock was in charge in the summer(and this is not trying to bash him in anyway) meant it was maybe a bit of a shit job to have at the time.would imagine warnock wants his own players that didn’t match the clubs and we’ve ended up signing a mish mash of both where both have had to compromise.
Moore looks a bad decision right now and may prove to be so,it also may not be as bad as its current state.
The big issue is January,do you give him the benefit of the doubt in the hope they get it right,most tendency would be to say no but mainly based on the clubs inability to have any positive impact under previous ownership.
Or do you get rid and get someone new in.again that would come with risk and also an element of lack of preparation time.rock…hard place.
January even without any transfers may look quite different anyway,rudoni,ward,turton,kasumu,jones are all even if not world beaters more solid options than we currently have.
We have enough to stay up…just if we pull our finger out so he gets the January but again it’s uncomfortable how much risk is involved.
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Post by runner76 on Oct 30, 2023 9:46:36 GMT 1
Reality is we are going to have to wait until the end of the January window to judge Kev, Cartwright and Moore…until then they are mainly dealing with the completely shite hand they were dealt when they started…….
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Post by dezzly on Oct 30, 2023 10:13:55 GMT 1
Reality is we are going to have to wait until the end of the January window to judge Kev, Cartwright and Moore…until then they are mainly dealing with the completely shite hand they were dealt when they started……. Agree.it could quite easily get worse before then but as difficult as it might be we have to try stick with it.I don’t think a wholesale change after 6 months takes us forwards anyway |
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Post by terriers2000 on Oct 30, 2023 10:16:03 GMT 1
I already dislike this bloke but need to see what he does in January, wouldn’t surprise me if it’s all ex Stoke players
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 10:26:25 GMT 1
Edwards being a warnock signing is another one of the anti warnock lines that started to come after warnock was sacked and Moore appointed. Add it to him doing things he shouldn't have been doing, he wasn't at training until Thursday, his results weren't great or his football was shit. Not a shred of evidence, just people saying they heard it from someone they know. We are seeing now how good he was and that his methods worked. Some Town fans love rewriting history and are desperate to blindly follow whatever the club does as they think it makes them a better fan. A bit like the "he was a temporary manager" bollocks. He signed a one-year deal, the club said "ONE MORE YEAR" and Ronnie Jepson even said he thought they'd be there until the end of the season. He must be the only "temporary manager" to be able to take charge of pre-season, sign players, part ways with existing staff and bring in his own staff, all on two-year contracts. It's all been twisted because Warnock said he thought he'd be here until Christmas. That isn't "Warnock was leaving at Christmas" that's Warnock saying he THOUGHT he'd be here until Christmas. |
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Post by detox on Oct 30, 2023 10:32:15 GMT 1
we've got another 14 games before any january business might see some new faces...that's 28 games into the season with 18 games left..I'd expect us to be in the drop zone by then but there's still enough games left to recover , assuming we recruit well...meanwhile we'll just have to twiddle our thumbs and write off yet another season of no apparent progress up the table..
it's a depressing prospect, as it always is..battling for survival year on year is wearisome and being whopped on a regular basis humiliating.. We know this is all part of the PL 'legacy'..that is bad decisions then still affecting the club 5 years later...but there's still hope that KN will deliver for us...
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 30, 2023 10:41:03 GMT 1
Edwards being a warnock signing is another one of the anti warnock lines that started to come after warnock was sacked and Moore appointed. Add it to him doing things he shouldn't have been doing, he wasn't at training until Thursday, his results weren't great or his football was shit. Not a shred of evidence, just people saying they heard it from someone they know. We are seeing now how good he was and that his methods worked. Some Town fans love rewriting history and are desperate to blindly follow whatever the club does as they think it makes them a better fan. A bit like the "he was a temporary manager" bollocks. He signed a one-year deal, the club said "ONE MORE YEAR" and Ronnie Jepson even said he thought they'd be there until the end of the season. He must be the only "temporary manager" to be able to take charge of pre-season, sign players, part ways with existing staff and bring in his own staff, all on two-year contracts. It's all been twisted because Warnock said he thought he'd be here until Christmas. That isn't "Warnock was leaving at Christmas" that's Warnock saying he THOUGHT he'd be here until Christmas. If he thought he'd only be here until xmas ( at the very latest!) ,,, then he was a temporary manager then FFS!! They wanted him to stay to do pre season and sign players..that was his job! What they were paying him to do. tell you what..lets call him a 'permanent manager for up to 4 months' then if it makes you happy!  |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 10:41:10 GMT 1
All signings and leavings were signed of by Warnock.
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Post by detox on Oct 30, 2023 10:45:17 GMT 1
Some Town fans love rewriting history and are desperate to blindly follow whatever the club does as they think it makes them a better fan. A bit like the "he was a temporary manager" bollocks. He signed a one-year deal, the club said "ONE MORE YEAR" and Ronnie Jepson even said he thought they'd be there until the end of the season. He must be the only "temporary manager" to be able to take charge of pre-season, sign players, part ways with existing staff and bring in his own staff, all on two-year contracts. It's all been twisted because Warnock said he thought he'd be here until Christmas. That isn't "Warnock was leaving at Christmas" that's Warnock saying he THOUGHT he'd be here until Christmas. If he thought he'd only be here until xmas ( at the very latest!) ,,, then he was a temporary manager then FFS!! They wanted him to stay to do pre season and sign players..that was his job! What they were paying him to do. tell you what..lets call him a 'permanent manager for up to 4 months' then if it makes you happy! A permanent temporary manager then... |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Oct 30, 2023 10:46:02 GMT 1
Reality is we are going to have to wait until the end of the January window to judge Kev, Cartwright and Moore…until then they are mainly dealing with the completely shite hand they were dealt when they started……. Does that include the hand that dealt them Warnock and Jepson? |
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Post by pterrier on Oct 30, 2023 10:50:42 GMT 1
Edwards as CEO and Cartwright have been dreadful appointments and it’s all entirely down to big Kev. Edwards has never held a senior role at an EFL club and even in the states headed up their version of the football league but has never been club based. As for Cartwright, he hasn’t been involved in English football for at least 5 years (things change fast in the footballing world) and even then wasn’t exactly highly regarded. It’s hardly surprising that even with our pathetic budget, we’ve been unable to attract any players or unearth a hidden gem.
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 10:52:04 GMT 1
Warnock and Jepson were here for the FULL season, that’s why they had a full years contract , they both expected to be here for the full season, f**k all to do with Xmas. Nagel expected them and wanted them for the full season.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 10:52:53 GMT 1
Some Town fans love rewriting history and are desperate to blindly follow whatever the club does as they think it makes them a better fan. A bit like the "he was a temporary manager" bollocks. He signed a one-year deal, the club said "ONE MORE YEAR" and Ronnie Jepson even said he thought they'd be there until the end of the season. He must be the only "temporary manager" to be able to take charge of pre-season, sign players, part ways with existing staff and bring in his own staff, all on two-year contracts. It's all been twisted because Warnock said he thought he'd be here until Christmas. That isn't "Warnock was leaving at Christmas" that's Warnock saying he THOUGHT he'd be here until Christmas. If he thought he'd only be here until xmas ( at the very latest!) ,,, then he was a temporary manager then FFS!! They wanted him to stay to do pre season and sign players..that was his job! What they were paying him to do. tell you what..lets call him a 'permanent manager for up to 4 months' then if it makes you happy! If we go by your stupid logic, every manager we ever appoint is a temporary manager. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 10:52:58 GMT 1
Edwards as CEO and Cartwright have been dreadful appointments and it’s all entirely down to big Kev. Edwards has never held a senior role at an EFL club and even in the states headed up their version of the football league but has never been club based. As for Cartwright, he hasn’t been involved in English football for at least 5 years (things change fast in the footballing world) and even then wasn’t exactly highly regarded. It’s hardly surprising that even with our pathetic budget, we’ve been unable to attract any players or unearth a hidden gem. Complete rubbish ! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 30, 2023 11:00:50 GMT 1
Warnock and Jepson were here for the FULL season, that’s why they had a full years contract , they both expected to be here for the full season, f**k all to do with Xmas. Nagel expected them and wanted them for the full season. The years contract was just what he demanded to stay. Hes no fool and he knew he was in a strong bargaining position. Didnt Jepson get a 2 year deal? Does that mean he thought he'd be here a year after warnock left?? No it means warnock got him a great deal to stay....if its a 4 months, 1 month, or 2 days..you get paid the length of your contract.. full years money in NWs case. Sorry but the idea warnock would do a nice pally press conference and lie through his teeth to help out the people who'd just sacked him and gone back on their word..and also agree to carry on managing the team until his replacement arrived , is absurd IMO. How out of character would that be? Im going to believe Warnock on this one. |
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Post by pterrier on Oct 30, 2023 11:02:30 GMT 1
Edwards as CEO and Cartwright have been dreadful appointments and it’s all entirely down to big Kev. Edwards has never held a senior role at an EFL club and even in the states headed up their version of the football league but has never been club based. As for Cartwright, he hasn’t been involved in English football for at least 5 years (things change fast in the footballing world) and even then wasn’t exactly highly regarded. It’s hardly surprising that even with our pathetic budget, we’ve been unable to attract any players or unearth a hidden gem. Complete rubbish ! You keep telling us mate that there are plenty of happy faces around the training ground with Moore’s coaching. Good lad |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 11:05:08 GMT 1
Warnock and Jepson were here for the FULL season, that’s why they had a full years contract , they both expected to be here for the full season, f**k all to do with Xmas. Nagel expected them and wanted them for the full season. The years contract was just what he demanded to stay. Hes no fool and he knew he was in a strong bargaining position. Didnt Jepson get a 2 year deal? Does that mean he thought he'd be here a year after warnock left?? No it means warnock got him a great deal to stay....if its a 4 months, 1 month, or 2 days..you get paid the length of your contract.. full years money in NWs case. Sorry but the idea warnock would do a nice pally press conference and lie through his teeth to help out the people who'd just sacked him and gone back on their word..and also agree to carry on managing the team until his replacement arrived , is absurd IMO. How out of character would that be? Im going to believe Warnock on this one. Captain you can believe what you want, however I’ll give you two words “ reputational damage” |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 30, 2023 11:05:36 GMT 1
If he thought he'd only be here until xmas ( at the very latest!) ,,, then he was a temporary manager then FFS!! They wanted him to stay to do pre season and sign players..that was his job! What they were paying him to do. tell you what..lets call him a 'permanent manager for up to 4 months' then if it makes you happy! If we go by your stupid logic, every manager we ever appoint is a temporary manager. When we appoint other managers they dont expect to be replaced in 3 or 4 months...or want to be replaced in 3 or 4 months ( you know because their semi-retired and live in Cornwall!!!) They usually get a 3 year deal and 'hope' they'll see it out. Can you not see the difference? |
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Post by swam4mwg on Oct 30, 2023 11:05:42 GMT 1
It was too soon to sack Warnock. If you are going to run with a weak squad like Town have,you needed Warnock to be in charge until such a time when money can be invested and a new manager can come in with a clean slate. Warnock really should have been here for the season. I think Town's heirachy thought staying up last season was job done, but it was far from it. Similar to Fotheringham last season, taking over a team that is relegation fodder is already a rescue job and you need good man management, which something Fotheringham did not have and at the moment it seems Darren Moore hasn't got. As the old saying goes "horses for courses"
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