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Post by rockwall on Apr 23, 2024 21:09:18 GMT 1
I imagine you'll be one of those cheering the team off then. Come on mate let’s take a step back and think about this. You were talking about protests and death threats, then said perhaps it will get bad Saturday and perhaps it needs to. To what end exactly? It’s just football. It’s a constant cycle of ups and downs. ‘Perhaps it needs to get bad’ is just poor form and throwing toys out of the pram. It’s the last thing we need. I won’t be cheering them off as I most likely won’t be there at 90 minutes as I ain’t staying to watch the death of our current Championship status. If, and it’s a big if, we win then yes I’ll most likely clap them off. For about 20 seconds. Then I’ll be off. The best thing to get the point across is every fan just leaves in silence when the whistle goes. No booing. No applauding. No staying for a lap of honour. That would send the biggest message I believe.
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Post by Justasmithers on Apr 23, 2024 21:23:20 GMT 1
So far he has. I doubt KN will be there in person on Saturday but I can see it getting as bad as it’s been for a long time if we lose and lose heavily. Longbottom had death threats, numerous protests, even an incident where he was confronted by a load of fans outside. David Taylor also had loads of protests, Ken Davy did as well. Barry Rubery required a police escort and had rocks thrown at him when we were relegated in 2001. I believe Phil Hodgkinson also had death threats. Football fans are far tamer than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to... Perhaps it NEEDS to (get bad)? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but am I reading that correctly?
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 21:26:19 GMT 1
Longbottom had death threats, numerous protests, even an incident where he was confronted by a load of fans outside. David Taylor also had loads of protests, Ken Davy did as well. Barry Rubery required a police escort and had rocks thrown at him when we were relegated in 2001. I believe Phil Hodgkinson also had death threats. Football fans are far tamer than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to... Perhaps it NEEDS to (get bad)? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but am I reading that correctly? No, not really. As I've clarified in a later post.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 23, 2024 21:35:18 GMT 1
Why should he get nasty tweets though? He is bankrolling the club. How can you possibly even justify abuse? I haven't justified it. You haven’t “justified the abuse” but you think he has got off “lightly”(suggesting you think he should have had more)?.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 21:38:19 GMT 1
You haven’t “justified the abuse” but you think he has got off “lightly”(suggesting you think he should have had more)?. I think compared to previous owners, he has got off lightly. Compared to the examples I've provided, of what other owners have been subject to, I think that's a fair assessment? I don't condone any abuse he's received, for the record. It's not justified and I wasn't trying to justify it either.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 23, 2024 21:39:36 GMT 1
You haven’t “justified the abuse” but you think he has got off “lightly”(suggesting you think he should have had more)?. Lightly compared to past chairmen, including one who gave this club and this town more than any other but still had to put up with horrific abuse, including against his family.
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Post by htafcdreams on Apr 23, 2024 21:57:48 GMT 1
Some great points made.
We can accept Town having a limited budget, limited resources, beaten big bigger sides with better players.
The lack of heart and desire on the pitch this season (expect the Worthy games) is just not acceptable.
Agree with point made about how to disillusion a fan base- 1. Shell a load of players in summer and think Harrat, Simpson, Hudlin are going to be answer for goals - Jesus who thought Hudlin and Simpson be worth keeping 2. The Up Town videos which the fans lapped up and we are so negligent in summer window 3. Magic Rock roadshow and talk of Netflix and great plans - looking back surely it was taking the p155 some of the things promoted with a microphone 4. Sackings - everyone loved on the Up the Town videos has been sacked apart from DTS and no idea if he’s off at end of the season with companies house filing that he’s stepped down. Were we looking to make the club as unstable as possible to remove any knowledge of the past operations from the club
What a laugh hey
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 21:59:23 GMT 1
Some great points made. We can accept Town having a limited budget, limited resources, beaten big bigger sides with better players. The lack of heart and desire on the pitch this season (expect the Worthy games) is just not acceptable. Agree with point made about how to disillusion a fan base- 1. Shell a load of players in summer and think Harrat, Simpson, Hudlin are going to be answer for goals - Jesus who thought Hudlin and Simpson be worth keeping 2. The Up Town videos which the fans lapped up and we are so negligent in summer window 3. Magic Rock roadshow and talk of Netflix and great plans - looking back surely it was taking the p155 some of the things promoted with a microphone 4. Sackings - everyone loved on the Up the Town videos has been sacked apart from DTS and no idea if he’s off at end of the season with companies house filing that he’s stepped down. Were we looking to make the club as unstable as possible to remove any knowledge of the past operations from the club What a laugh hey DTS is the new Ann Hough.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Apr 23, 2024 22:02:19 GMT 1
Some great points made. We can accept Town having a limited budget, limited resources, beaten big bigger sides with better players. The lack of heart and desire on the pitch this season (expect the Worthy games) is just not acceptable. Agree with point made about how to disillusion a fan base- 1. Shell a load of players in summer and think Harrat, Simpson, Hudlin are going to be answer for goals - Jesus who thought Hudlin and Simpson be worth keeping 2. The Up Town videos which the fans lapped up and we are so negligent in summer window 3. Magic Rock roadshow and talk of Netflix and great plans - looking back surely it was taking the p155 some of the things promoted with a microphone 4. Sackings - everyone loved on the Up the Town videos has been sacked apart from DTS and no idea if he’s off at end of the season with companies house filing that he’s stepped down. Were we looking to make the club as unstable as possible to remove any knowledge of the past operations from the club What a laugh hey DTS is the new Ann Hough. Really? Walked or pushed? Good guy, possibly promoted to the wrong role.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 22:03:16 GMT 1
DTS is the new Ann Hough. Really? Walked or pushed? Good guy, possibly promoted to the wrong role. Neither walked nor pushed, he's taken on Ann Hough's role.
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Apr 23, 2024 22:05:17 GMT 1
Really? Walked or pushed? Good guy, possibly promoted to the wrong role. Neither walked nor pushed, he's taken on Ann Hough's role. Ok. Strange that this meant resigning as a director, though.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Apr 23, 2024 22:06:07 GMT 1
You haven’t “justified the abuse” but you think he has got off “lightly”(suggesting you think he should have had more)?. I think compared to previous owners, he has got off lightly. Compared to the examples I've provided, of what other owners have been subject to, I think that's a fair assessment? I don't condone any abuse he's received, for the record. It's not justified and I wasn't trying to justify it either. My apologies in that case.
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Post by wildhogg on Apr 23, 2024 22:32:46 GMT 1
Some real anger from those sat around me last Saturday, when previously it's been more or less apathy and muted grumblings; with isolated outbursts of frustration from individuals (including myself). I haven't seen real anger from our fans en masse for a while, not even when we were in the depths of despair last season under MMF. It has to be said though, we didn't capitulate under the obnoxious Scot like we have under Moore and Breitenreiter. Lose on Saturday and it really will be a toxic atmosphere, probably spilling out into the car park after the game when their fans start taking the piss out of ours.
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Post by willo on Apr 24, 2024 0:16:46 GMT 1
Some real anger from those sat around me last Saturday, when previously it's been more or less apathy and muted grumblings; with isolated outbursts of frustration from individuals (including myself). I haven't seen real anger from our fans en masse for a while, not even when we were in the depths of despair last season under MMF. It has to be said though, we didn't capitulate under the obnoxious Scot like we have under Moore and Breitenreiter. Lose on Saturday and it really will be a toxic atmosphere, probably spilling out into the car park after the game when their fans start taking the piss out of ours. I would expect a heavy police presence on Saturday given the gravity of our situation. I’d also expect the police and stewards are made aware of the previous time, albeit over 20 years ago, we played Birmingham City in an end of season clash which saw us relegated and their fans taking the piss mercilessly. Some of us have long memories.
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Post by willo on Apr 24, 2024 0:17:33 GMT 1
Come on mate let’s take a step back and think about this. You were talking about protests and death threats, then said perhaps it will get bad Saturday and perhaps it needs to. To what end exactly? It’s just football. It’s a constant cycle of ups and downs. ‘Perhaps it needs to get bad’ is just poor form and throwing toys out of the pram. It’s the last thing we need. I won’t be cheering them off as I most likely won’t be there at 90 minutes as I ain’t staying to watch the death of our current Championship status. If, and it’s a big if, we win then yes I’ll most likely clap them off. For about 20 seconds. Then I’ll be off. The best thing to get the point across is every fan just leaves in silence when the whistle goes. No booing. No applauding. No staying for a lap of honour. That would send the biggest message I believe. Totally agree. Just don’t think I have it in me to sit on my hands though.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 24, 2024 6:32:55 GMT 1
Some real anger from those sat around me last Saturday, when previously it's been more or less apathy and muted grumblings; with isolated outbursts of frustration from individuals (including myself). I haven't seen real anger from our fans en masse for a while, not even when we were in the depths of despair last season under MMF. It has to be said though, we didn't capitulate under the obnoxious Scot like we have under Moore and Breitenreiter. Lose on Saturday and it really will be a toxic atmosphere, probably spilling out into the car park after the game when their fans start taking the piss out of ours. I would expect a heavy police presence on Saturday given the gravity of our situation. I’d also expect the police and stewards are made aware of the previous time, albeit over 20 years ago, we played Birmingham City in an end of season clash which saw us relegated and their fans taking the piss mercilessly. Some of us have long memories. Common sense should prevail. Whatever the outcome, keep them behind 30 mins after the game.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 6:41:25 GMT 1
I would expect a heavy police presence on Saturday given the gravity of our situation. I’d also expect the police and stewards are made aware of the previous time, albeit over 20 years ago, we played Birmingham City in an end of season clash which saw us relegated and their fans taking the piss mercilessly. Some of us have long memories. Common sense should prevail. Whatever the outcome, keep them behind 30 mins after the game. They'll probably stay behind to celebrate their survival.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 24, 2024 7:32:02 GMT 1
You haven’t “justified the abuse” but you think he has got off “lightly”(suggesting you think he should have had more)?. Lightly compared to past chairmen, including one who gave this club and this town more than any other but still had to put up with horrific abuse, including against his family. Did he though? Unless you know something we don't, like fans were outside his house barracking him, making menacing calls, death threats or leaving horses heads on his pillow at night then a few folk on here complaining about him is pretty tame. I never ever even heard one dissenting murmur at games about him or one anti Hoyle chant or anything.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 7:39:50 GMT 1
Longbottom had death threats, numerous protests, even an incident where he was confronted by a load of fans outside. David Taylor also had loads of protests, Ken Davy did as well. Barry Rubery required a police escort and had rocks thrown at him when we were relegated in 2001. I believe Phil Hodgkinson also had death threats. Football fans are far tamer than they were 20 or 30 years ago. Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to... Perhaps it NEEDS to (get bad)? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but am I reading that correctly? He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 24, 2024 8:08:38 GMT 1
Perhaps it NEEDS to (get bad)? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but am I reading that correctly? He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified. He’s not on his own though, I still can’t read the room. I’ve re read this and still don’t understand what he meant by ‘perhaps it needs to’. I don’t read any clarity. All I’ve read is the apparent extent to what abuse previous chairmen got, no clarity on what his comment actually implied. It was a stupid comment, yes probably born of frustration but still stupid. Some people just need a break away from social media.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 8:13:36 GMT 1
He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified. He’s not on his own though, I still can’t read the room. I’ve re read this and still don’t understand what he meant by ‘perhaps it needs to’. I don’t read any clarity. All I’ve read is the apparent extent to what abuse previous chairmen got, no clarity on what his comment actually implied. It was a stupid comment, yes probably born of frustration but still stupid. Some people just need a break away from social media. It was a stupid comment that’s all. My point on reading the room is that somebody so connected to the club should have better things to focus on just now than responding to one daft comment. If not then say nothing at all.
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Post by rockwall on Apr 24, 2024 8:13:55 GMT 1
Perhaps it NEEDS to (get bad)? Forgive me if I misunderstand, but am I reading that correctly? He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified. Slightly harsh on DC there. I'm sure if he trawls back he will find that htafcokay clarified what he meant. DC does have connections at the top, but has zero influence on what goes on. It is clear he has good intentions, being a middle man as such. He is willing to read the room and maybe have a word in Kevs ear, but ultimately, that's all it can be. It is up to Kev and his team to do what they want with information DC passes on to them. Alternatively, he also comes on and reassures us. He won't know everything, he probably can't tell us everything. But he does hint and direct us in things that are happening.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Apr 24, 2024 8:16:27 GMT 1
He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified. Slightly harsh on DC there. I'm sure if he trawls back he will find that htafcokay clarified what he meant. DC does have connections at the top, but has zero influence on what goes on. It is clear he has good intentions, being a middle man as such. He is willing to read the room and maybe have a word in Kevs ear, but ultimately, that's all it can be. It is up to Kev and his team to do what they want with information DC passes on to them. Alternatively, he also comes on and reassures us. He won't know everything, he probably can't tell us everything. But he does hint and direct us in things that are happening. His focus should lie in better places than trying to pick a argument over one daft post.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 8:24:43 GMT 1
He has since clarified his post. Do yourself a favour, read the room and don’t post things that are going to get a reaction in fact maybe don’t post anything at all for a while. You are connected to those at the highest echelons of the club. A club that has massively let down its loyal fans, a club that is quite frankly a shambles and on the playing front is utterly crap. Maybe concentrate more on those things than trying to make a fan look bad for a comment born of frustration he has since clarified. He’s not on his own though, I still can’t read the room. I’ve re read this and still don’t understand what he meant by ‘perhaps it needs to’. I don’t read any clarity. All I’ve read is the apparent extent to what abuse previous chairmen got, no clarity on what his comment actually implied. It was a stupid comment, yes probably born of frustration but still stupid. Some people just need a break away from social media. I shouldn't really have to explain myself, but I will do before more people start jumping on and accusing me of all sorts. Willo said, "So far he has. I doubt KN will be there in person on Saturday but I can see it getting as bad as it’s been for a long time if we lose and lose heavily". My comment of, "Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to..." was in direct response to Willo suggesting that the atmosphere/fans/whatever will be as bad as it's been for a long time. I personally think that perhaps it needs to be, perhaps some anger needs to be displayed when relegation is confirmed, to the players, the board, the club because for too long the club (under three different owners) have failed to read the room and think that everything is fine. Fans have continued, every season, to back the club, buying season tickets, turning up regularly, some even kept their money in the club during COVID, for very little in return. And I think that at this point, the club need to realise just how much the supporters have been taken for granted and just how much they are pissed off. This doesn't equate to me saying, "The owner should be getting death threats because that's what happened in the 90s". But then that should be obvious, in numerous posts I've condemned the abuse Nagle has received and also said it would be absurd to return to the days of the 90s with protests/death threats against the owner. But, as usual it seems, people see the username and just automatically jump on and start having a go.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Apr 24, 2024 8:27:45 GMT 1
He’s not on his own though, I still can’t read the room. I’ve re read this and still don’t understand what he meant by ‘perhaps it needs to’. I don’t read any clarity. All I’ve read is the apparent extent to what abuse previous chairmen got, no clarity on what his comment actually implied. It was a stupid comment, yes probably born of frustration but still stupid. Some people just need a break away from social media. I shouldn't really have to explain myself, but I will do before more people start jumping on and accusing me of all sorts. Willo said, "So far he has. I doubt KN will be there in person on Saturday but I can see it getting as bad as it’s been for a long time if we lose and lose heavily". My comment of, "Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to..." was in direct response to Willo suggesting that the atmosphere/fans/whatever will be as bad as it's been for a long time. I personally think that perhaps it needs to be, perhaps some anger needs to be displayed when relegation is confirmed, to the players, the board, the club because for too long the club (under three different owners) have failed to read the room and think that everything is fine. Fans have continued, every season, to back the club, buying season tickets, turning up regularly, some even kept their money in the club during COVID, for very little in return. And I think that at this point, the club need to realise just how much the supporters have been taken for granted and just how much they are pissed off. This doesn't equate to me saying, "The owner should be getting death threats because that's what happened in the 90s". But then that should be obvious, in numerous posts I've condemned the abuse Nagle has received and also said it would be absurd to return to the days of the 90s with protests/death threats against the owner. But, as usual it seems, people see the username and just automatically jump on and start having a go. Nothing you’ve said is out of line there mate, infact, it’s bang on.
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Post by buttheniscotthigh on Apr 24, 2024 8:28:47 GMT 1
He’s not on his own though, I still can’t read the room. I’ve re read this and still don’t understand what he meant by ‘perhaps it needs to’. I don’t read any clarity. All I’ve read is the apparent extent to what abuse previous chairmen got, no clarity on what his comment actually implied. It was a stupid comment, yes probably born of frustration but still stupid. Some people just need a break away from social media. I shouldn't really have to explain myself, but I will do before more people start jumping on and accusing me of all sorts. Willo said, "So far he has. I doubt KN will be there in person on Saturday but I can see it getting as bad as it’s been for a long time if we lose and lose heavily". My comment of, "Perhaps it will get bad on Saturday if we go down. Perhaps it needs to..." was in direct response to Willo suggesting that the atmosphere/fans/whatever will be as bad as it's been for a long time. I personally think that perhaps it needs to be, perhaps some anger needs to be displayed when relegation is confirmed, to the players, the board, the club because for too long the club (under three different owners) have failed to read the room and think that everything is fine. Fans have continued, every season, to back the club, buying season tickets, turning up regularly, some even kept their money in the club during COVID, for very little in return. And I think that at this point, the club need to realise just how much the supporters have been taken for granted and just how much they are pissed off. This doesn't equate to me saying, "The owner should be getting death threats because that's what happened in the 90s". But then that should be obvious, in numerous posts I've condemned the abuse Nagle has received and also said it would be absurd to return to the days of the 90s with protests/death threats against the owner. But, as usual it seems, people see the username and just automatically jump on and start having a go. Bro you listed all these death threats and then said it needs to get bad on Saturday. I appreciate you probably don't think anyone needs to die but please stop being defensive and just admit it was poorly worded. It is so tiresome
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Post by KingNeil on Apr 24, 2024 8:31:09 GMT 1
Kicking off on Saturday will only make things worse
Personally I would like acknowledgement from the top that they have made grave mistakes and then some kind of fighting talk about trying to bounce back at the first attempt
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 24, 2024 8:44:55 GMT 1
Kicking off on Saturday will only make things worse Personally I would like acknowledgement from the top that they have made grave mistakes and then some kind of fighting talk about trying to bounce back at the first attempt If we lose on Saturday then we're relegated anyway so kicking off wouldn't make it any worse. It would let the players know that the fans don't accept half arsed, spineless players disgracing their badge. It may actually help to get shut of the useless fuckers.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 24, 2024 8:50:46 GMT 1
Lightly compared to past chairmen, including one who gave this club and this town more than any other but still had to put up with horrific abuse, including against his family. Did he though? Unless you know something we don't, like fans were outside his house barracking him, making menacing calls, death threats or leaving horses heads on his pillow at night then a few folk on here complaining about him is pretty tame. I never ever even heard one dissenting murmur at games about him or one anti Hoyle chant or anything. Do you really think it was legitimate opinions on here I was referring to?
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Post by KingNeil on Apr 24, 2024 8:54:01 GMT 1
I Don't think it's helping either with kev being in california all the time
He needs boots on the ground he can truly trust
I mean why can't he have an office in Huddersfield and spend more time in the area and oversee things a bit more?
We have high speed Internet and he would only have to work 5pm uk time till 1am to keep up with us Eastern time
We are never going to achieve anything if Cartwright and Edwards are allowed to continue going rogue
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