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Post by Big Ern on Apr 22, 2024 18:04:17 GMT 1
Now this isn't an attempt to apportion blame on any individual or group of supporters but Saturday got me thinking. The atmosphere at that match was horrible, the anticipation, the disappointment and the anger vented at the players was something I don't think I've ever experienced before at this club, and we have had some crushing disappointments in my years as a supporter.
Are we the same as other supporters or do we go too far? Was the turning point on Saturday the round booing of Burgzorg missing that chance leading to the players collapse?
Are we too critical of the players, manager and owners? Are other clubs in our position more pragmatic?
I'm not saying we are right or wrong but it would be good to gauge the reaction of say the Birmingham or Rothwrham fans.
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Post by CurlyWurly on Apr 22, 2024 18:06:09 GMT 1
No we're not.
Some clubs are more toxic after 1 year of this shite not ten
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Post by royrace on Apr 22, 2024 18:18:05 GMT 1
No, much better than many fan bases. Having said that booing zorg was stupid and counterproductive even though he was a complete prick.
I think a lot of the players are big babies though and I think the loons have taken over the asylum. I think if you asked AB privately he'd say the same and I think the culture at the club within the squad is bad reading between the lines.
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Post by eric on Apr 22, 2024 18:24:32 GMT 1
No different from any other set of fans that has gone through disappointment, boardroom incompetence and having to watch some absolutley woeful performances on the pitch.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 18:25:49 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s more toxic than elsewhere but that doesn’t annoy me any less.
I knew when we needed an atmosphere Saturday that Swansea was the worst team we could be playing. Our crowd don’t have the patience to stick with us against a possession based team.
When Burgzorg did his Burgzorg thing there was about 30 minutes left i think to save our season. It’s common sense to do every tiny little thing to help us as supporters.
If you booed you made a win slightly less likely. If you go this coming Saturday and stay positive for 90 minutes you make a win slightly more likely.
It’s like beating your wife. IT’S YOUR WIFE!
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 22, 2024 18:30:02 GMT 1
Given the shite we have had to put up with for the past few seasons I think that the fans have been remarkably supportive/stoic. I think that apathy has largely taken over and that is perhaps more damaging to the club as fans just give up.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 22, 2024 18:31:05 GMT 1
I don’t think it’s more toxic than elsewhere but that doesn’t annoy me any less. I knew when we needed an atmosphere Saturday that Swansea was the worst team we could be playing. Our crowd don’t have the patience to stick with us against a possession based team. When Burgzorg did his Burgzorg thing there was about 30 minutes left i think so save our season. It’s common sense to do every tiny little thing to help us as supporters. If you booed you made a win slightly less likely. If you go this coming Saturday and stay positive for 90 minutes you make a win slightly more likely. It’s like beating your wife. IT’S YOUR WIFE! Beating her at what ? 🫣 always thought I should let her win the odd game or quiz or two .
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Post by Dan on Apr 22, 2024 18:31:28 GMT 1
We have our fair share of morons. I can't get on board with some of the rubbish that gets sent to players/staff on social media. Booing certain players onto the pitch, booing backwards passes can also get in the bin.
But if the players don't like any flak that deservedly comes their way after 'performances' like Saturday then maybe they should go and play for Charlton/Reading or someone, because they won't get away with that here.
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Post by royalflush on Apr 22, 2024 18:31:33 GMT 1
I don't think we are given what we've had to put up with. You look at Rotherham and despite a bad season they must have had 3 or 4 automatic promotions out of league one in this millennium..Birmingham were winning a league Cup as recently as 2011. Sheffield Wednesday had 96(?) points last season..
There is genuinely nothing to get excited about with Town..we got to the Prem against all the odds but even that was crap in the second season and we completely spunked away the lomg term financial security it provides 90% of the teams in that position.
That said I don't think booing individual players is the way to go about things. I've no idea what it achieves. I'm also not convinced that they're not trying. They're just not very good imo.
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Post by htfcterry on Apr 22, 2024 18:31:55 GMT 1
My God. I'd love to see how a bigger fan base would have reacted to what we've put up with over last few years.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 22, 2024 18:32:39 GMT 1
My God. I'd love to see how a bigger fan base would have reacted to what we've put up with over last few years. This.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 22, 2024 18:43:12 GMT 1
No.
The fans have been incredibly passive, and accepting, of some of the rubbish we've witnessed over the last few years.
Saturday was the only time it's really turned in years and years, and it was way overdue. There's been loads of performances over the last few years that have deserved a reaction from the fans, but the fans have generally accepted it.
Fans of other teams would have turned YEARS ago. These players ought to count themselves lucky that they've not had MUCH MORE stick over the last couple of years.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 22, 2024 18:48:27 GMT 1
The players don't know how lucky they are having us as fans. After the spineless shite we've had to put up with over the last few seasons I'm surprised the majority haven't turned on them sooner. Truly pathetic set of players that have disgraced this club far too often. Thankfully we don't have to put up with most of these gutless fuckers for much longer.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 18:51:06 GMT 1
I don't think we are given what we've had to put up with. You look at Rotherham and despite a bad season they must have had 3 or 4 automatic promotions out of league one in this millennium..Birmingham were winning a league Cup as recently as 2011. Sheffield Wednesday had 96(?) points last season.. There is genuinely nothing to get excited about with Town..we got to the Prem against all the odds but even that was crap in the second season and we completely spunked away the lomg term financial security it provides 90% of the teams in that position. That said I don't think booing individual players is the way to go about things. I've no idea what it achieves. I'm also not convinced that they're not trying. They're just not very good imo. I don’t want promotions out of League One, i don’t want anything from League One, I don’t want to go to Wembley in Tin Pot cup, i don’t want an FA Cup giant killing. I’d rather come 21st in a decent league year on year.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 22, 2024 18:51:07 GMT 1
No, what other fans have had to endure the rubbish we have since premier league relegation? How many games have we watched where we haven’t seen a shot on target? There was the exception where we got back to Wembley but we had a superb manager in carlos.
A lot of fans have remained happy clappers. I still think if we put in a Swansea esque performance on Saturday there will be a large number of fans left in the ground at full time applauding the players and clubs efforts this season.
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Post by theterrier42 on Apr 22, 2024 18:55:14 GMT 1
The players are….
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 18:56:15 GMT 1
No, what other fans have had to endure the rubbish we have since premier league relegation? How many games have we watched where we haven’t seen a shot on target? There was the exception where we got back to Wembley but we had a superb manager in carlos. A lot of fans have remained happy clappers. I still think if we put in a Swansea esque performance on Saturday there will be a large number of fans left in the ground at full time applauding the players and clubs efforts this season. I’m sure Bradford City fans would disagree.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 19:01:15 GMT 1
It’s really not that bad!!! When did we become so entitled as a fanbase?
Pre Dean Hoyle every season with the odd exception was shit.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Apr 22, 2024 19:03:25 GMT 1
Truly pathetic set of players that have disgraced this club far too often. Thankfully we don't have to put up with most of these gutless fuckers for much longer. This should be stuck on the home dressing room door in bold capitals.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 22, 2024 19:09:39 GMT 1
I don't think we are given what we've had to put up with. You look at Rotherham and despite a bad season they must have had 3 or 4 automatic promotions out of league one in this millennium..Birmingham were winning a league Cup as recently as 2011. Sheffield Wednesday had 96(?) points last season.. There is genuinely nothing to get excited about with Town..we got to the Prem against all the odds but even that was crap in the second season and we completely spunked away the lomg term financial security it provides 90% of the teams in that position. That said I don't think booing individual players is the way to go about things. I've no idea what it achieves. I'm also not convinced that they're not trying. They're just not very good imo. I don’t want promotions out of League One, i don’t want anything from League One, I don’t want to go to Wembley in Tin Pot cup, i don’t want an FA Cup giant killing. I’d rather come 21st in a decent league year on year. Although there will be many who disagree i agree with that, anybody right in the head would rather go to grounds with crowds of 20-30 thousand in the championship rather than (in some cases) 4-5 thousand in league 1.
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Post by willo on Apr 22, 2024 19:10:43 GMT 1
I can’t imagine for one second the players don’t read what is being said about them on social media so what must they think? So far as Saturday goes, the catcalling can’t have been that bad as there was only around 1/4 still left in the ground from what I understand. The players have had it easy in my book, the fans would have properly turned just down the A62 long, long ago.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 22, 2024 19:13:09 GMT 1
Town fans have been too accepting of all that has been bad and wrong about the club on and off the pitch for far too long. We’ve become so numbed to the lack of fight, excitement and ambition that I think we’ve just become tired and weary of it all, with no light at the end of the tunnel.
The support has become apathetic. I’ve only been to eight home games this season but that includes three games where we’ve conceded four goals and each time the crowd just silently drifted away. Defeated.
I haven’t even seen the goals yet from the Swansea game, so was the atmosphere any different on Saturday to any number of other games this season?
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Post by rockwall on Apr 22, 2024 19:19:26 GMT 1
How can a fanbase be toxic when we accept the following.
1. Kyle Hudlin starting games. 2. Performances such as Hull at home. 3. Celebrating a 0-0 draw with Watford. 4. Celebrating a 5-3 loss at Southampton.
All the above should not happen. But that is how bad it has got that the 4 points (there will be more) have kept fans happy! Beggers belief.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 22, 2024 19:23:47 GMT 1
As Saturday is the last chance saloon and there's no reaction, the club will see what a set of toxic fans will look like but aside from that the fans are better than the club deserve at times.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 22, 2024 19:27:32 GMT 1
Our players have had it easy. Imagine how this shitshow would have gone down at Leeds, Boro or any other club with an ounce of ambition. Look how the vociferous the Wednesday fans were towards Chansiri or the Brum fans towards Rooney. That's just after 1 season of shite, 6 months in Brums case.
We are too placid, we are too understanding and too quick to turn to apathy.
The club and the players have had an easy ride during this absolute circus since the first PL season.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 22, 2024 19:28:33 GMT 1
I don’t want promotions out of League One, i don’t want anything from League One, I don’t want to go to Wembley in Tin Pot cup, i don’t want an FA Cup giant killing. I’d rather come 21st in a decent league year on year. Although there will be many who disagree i agree with that, anybody right in the head would rather go to grounds with crowds of 20-30 thousand in the championship rather than (in some cases) 4-5 thousand in league 1. Might be nice to win some games but the thought just depresses me.
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 22, 2024 19:28:37 GMT 1
Town fans have been too accepting of all that has been bad and wrong about the club on and off the pitch for far too long. We’ve become so numbed to the lack of fight, excitement and ambition that I think we’ve just become tired and weary of it all, with no light at the end of the tunnel. The support has become apathetic. I’ve only been to eight home games this season but that includes three games where we’ve conceded four goals and each time the crowd just silently drifted away. Defeated. I haven’t even seen the goals yet from the Swansea game, so was the atmosphere any different on Saturday to any number of other games this season? Couldn't have put it better. Perfectly sums it up. Apathy all round. Been to a handful of games in the last 10. Not bothering on Saturday. When we had a club/team to be proud of, I'd never have the attitude i do now. 2013 relegation scrap for example - Posh (H), Wolves (A), Blackburn (A), Millwall (H), Bristol (A), Barnsley (H) - I missed only Blackburn
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 22, 2024 19:37:03 GMT 1
How can a fanbase be toxic when we accept the following. 1. Kyle Hudlin starting games. 2. Performances such as Hull at home. 3. Celebrating a 0-0 draw with Watford. 4. Celebrating a 5-3 loss at Southampton. All the above should not happen. But that is how bad it has got that the 4 points (there will be more) have kept fans happy! Beggers belief. I think the age of social media and gullible idiots has got a lot to do with shit like this. For example: Club account posting videos of Hudlin et al. doing something half decent in a B-Team game despite being utterly garbage for the rest of the game. Gullible idiots swooning over it. Club posting "we go again" type shite after pathetic defeats usually with a picture of Hoggy - And gullible idiots forgetting what they've just seen with their own eyes and expecting to see a new team next week.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 22, 2024 19:38:17 GMT 1
Town fans have been too accepting of all that has been bad and wrong about the club on and off the pitch for far too long. We’ve become so numbed to the lack of fight, excitement and ambition that I think we’ve just become tired and weary of it all, with no light at the end of the tunnel. The support has become apathetic. I’ve only been to eight home games this season but that includes three games where we’ve conceded four goals and each time the crowd just silently drifted away. Defeated. I haven’t even seen the goals yet from the Swansea game, so was the atmosphere any different on Saturday to any number of other games this season? Couldn't have put it better. Perfectly sums it up. Apathy all round. Been to a handful of games in the last 10. Not bothering on Saturday. When we had a club/team to be proud of, I'd never have the attitude i do now. 2013 relegation scrap for example - Posh (H), Wolves (A), Blackburn (A), Millwall (H), Bristol (A), Barnsley (H) - I missed only Blackburn And all those fixtures you list from the end of the 2013 season the players really fought for it. That win at wolves was right up there for me.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 22, 2024 19:39:24 GMT 1
How can a fanbase be toxic when we accept the following. 1. Kyle Hudlin starting games. 2. Performances such as Hull at home. 3. Celebrating a 0-0 draw with Watford. 4. Celebrating a 5-3 loss at Southampton. All the above should not happen. But that is how bad it has got that the 4 points (there will be more) have kept fans happy! Beggers belief. Celebrated the 1-1 draw with Southampton like it was a Brazil-esque performance, despite the fact that Southampton were there for the taking. Happy with a 1-1 draw at Millwall, which was rescued by the late penalty. We'd been dreadful up until the penalty, but the team were cheered off.
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