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Post by Floyds on Apr 28, 2024 10:02:55 GMT 1
We definitely need to prepare properly for next season - starting now.
If AB is going then get him gone now. If he’s staying he needs to be able to offload the players he doesn’t want and let him build a squad with players he does.
Preseason needs to be finalised and players (and a coaching staff if needed) brought in as early as possible.
We can’t assume we’ll rock up in League One, unfit, unprepared, without new signings and beat probably hard working but limited teams. It just won’t happen - any repeat of last summer and we’ll struggle next season as well.
Needs a big change in mindset and personnel.
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Post by specialun on Apr 28, 2024 10:04:39 GMT 1
Nicholls? Get rid. We have the 3rd worst save percentage in the division by club. He has the worst save percentage of any keeper to have played over 20 games Doesn’t leave his line except the last few weeks he’s seen fit to run out of his box after conceding and point / Pat others on the back. If he moved that quickly facing shots we’d be better off No chance keeping Helik. Can’t see us keeping Rudoni sadly - he’ll go onto have a great career. Baulker looks good, can’t see him dropping to league 1 aside recent injury record Can’t see where Balker is going to go apart from back to the Dutch 2nd division. He’s played 4 games for us in 3 months and has a shocking injury record. All well and good looking like a good player if you’re never fit. We were crying out for a passing midfielder and instead the geniuses at the club decided to sign an injury prone centre half when we already had 3 adequate ones. Absolute stupidity. Agree - I guess at the time we intended to play 3 at the back and therefore made sense to bring in another centre half, younger, adding pace and ability to play with the ball added to that … but hasn’t been fit a recurring theme on our signings We’ve needed to bring in another centre half imo I thought it was the right thing. However completely agree that was a nice to have versus the necessity of a centre mid. They obviously did bring in a centre mid who was bigged up by many on here but has not looked up to it (yet) nor can he pass he just runs usually into trouble Overall - problem with all of this is we’ve had two transfer windows with two managers then they’ve left with the next man to pick up the pieces of a squad he didn’t want
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Post by CurlyWurly on Apr 28, 2024 10:13:21 GMT 1
Maxwell
Headley Baulker Pearson Spencer Kasumu (new player)
(new player) Wiles (new player) Healey
Bojan Koroma Lees Jackson Ward ? ? ? ?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 10:39:51 GMT 1
No Prima Donna’s next season.
I think we still have a decent nucleus of talent, but someone needs to sit them down and tell them they’re not in the big league.
Whether these lads are mature enough to take this on the chin, knuckle down, grow up and grow as a unified team remains to be seen.
Modern day relegation is crap, because it’ll be discussed on here for months on end until the football starts again.
It’s all about the mentality for me, our squad seems quite young still, maybe it needed this massive kick up the arse to get them going??
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Post by alexdire on Apr 28, 2024 10:41:24 GMT 1
Said to my brother today, getting promoted to the premier league was one of the worst things that’s happened to us in the long run. Maybe relegation to league one will be the best thing that could’ve happened to us when we look back in a few years time - who knows. When you've got used to league one mid table.
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Post by belizian on Apr 28, 2024 10:46:19 GMT 1
We'll finish 6th and be knocked out of the play offs by Posh.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 10:47:57 GMT 1
We'll finish 6th and be knocked out of the play offs by Posh. Who says lightning doesn’t strike twice… Or 3 times if that were the case… 😂
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Post by alexdire on Apr 28, 2024 10:53:08 GMT 1
We'll finish 6th and be knocked out of the play offs by Posh. They are likely to be in the Championship.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Apr 28, 2024 11:09:10 GMT 1
What we need to do next season, is gamble and do a ‘Wrexham’.
We need to sign championship level players, paying championship level wages and get straight back up.
Keep AB and let him sign his kind of players. I imagine he would want to bring in a few Germans who are already used to the whole double training session culture. But for this to happen, you would need to sign some higher level than league one.
Get them all in and your outgoing players out early. Get on a proper pre season tour/bonding and build up some team spirit again.
We can’t risk becoming Charlton, dropping to this level and now finishing lower down in the league.
Create that culture and get back up and compete there!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 28, 2024 11:34:10 GMT 1
The first thing we need to do is clear the decks of deadwood that have no future at the club, which is easier said than done.
We then need to get the best deals we can for the players that will have championship/European clubs sniffing.
Nicholls Helik Thomas Spencer Healey Rudoni
We then need to do an Ipswich and bring in experienced leaders first as a solid base, then supplement them with talented youngsters.
If André isn't staying we need a manager that is structured, organised and knows what it takes to get out of league 1.
We need a DoF that isn't a fraud.
We most of all need a team that will fight tooth and nail for the shirt, have a winning mentality and show the fans they care.
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Post by goodbet on Apr 28, 2024 13:30:19 GMT 1
I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m actually looking forward to next season, and I really wasn’t that fussed that we went down. If we had a decent squad, and didn’t deserve to go down, I think ide be a bit more gutted. However, I think the squad is rotten, and needs a complete overhaul and weirdly I think relegation maybe exactly what we need. If we can keep Rudoni Spencer Helik Baulker Nicholls And build a squad around them I think we could actually have quite a good season. I have no idea why I feel optimistic about it, just something is telling me this is what we need. If the gaffer decides to leave, I would give it to Worthy for the year. May take 2 years to do it, but I’m really looking forward to it! We will need someone competent to pick any new players and that has been something we have not had for a while. I think that 2 years is a more than a little bit optimistic, it took a lot longer last time with Deano (with him in his positive era in charge) at that time to get promoted.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 28, 2024 13:40:47 GMT 1
I agree that it would be nice to offload some of the players who clearly don't care. Very difficult when they're still under contract though. Helik, Rudoni, Thomas and Nicholls will most likely find new clubs in the championship I think the following players could be very useful in league 1 (if they're willing to stay): Pearson Turton Wiles Healey Radulovic Rhodes Headley The rest can go for me ‘If they’re willing to stay’ !!!! Tell me you’re kidding. What exactly have any of those listed done to make you think clubs will be clamouring to sign them ?
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Post by jongoalmachinenewby on Apr 28, 2024 15:22:16 GMT 1
I agree that it would be nice to offload some of the players who clearly don't care. Very difficult when they're still under contract though. Helik, Rudoni, Thomas and Nicholls will most likely find new clubs in the championship I think the following players could be very useful in league 1 (if they're willing to stay): Pearson Turton Wiles Healey Radulovic Rhodes Headley The rest can go for me ‘If they’re willing to stay’ !!!! Tell me you’re kidding. What exactly have any of those listed done to make you think clubs will be clamouring to sign them ? More a case of some of them may want to force a move out of the club
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Post by bentley316 on Apr 28, 2024 16:36:31 GMT 1
Relegation isnt a death sentence for a club like some people think. Since we were last in League 1 some decent sized teams have been down there and pulled themselves back together. Lets just hope we are more Wolves, Luton or Brentford than Bradford.
I think we have the potential for a decent League 1 team. Defensively in particular we could be solid if not spectacular.
All i want is what was promised after the Premier League. Winning games and good vibes.
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Post by goodbet on Apr 28, 2024 17:03:12 GMT 1
Relegation isnt a guarenteed death sentence for a club like some people think. Since we were last in League 1 some decent sized teams have been down there and pulled themselves back together. Lets just hope we are more Wolves, Luton or Brentford than Bradford. I think we have the potential for a decent League 1 team. Defensively in particular we could be solid if not spectacular. All i want is what was promised after the Premier League. Winning games and good vibes. We have not pulled ourselves together since we were in the Premier League To be fair we never really tried, it was more about saving money since then.
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Apr 28, 2024 17:40:51 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality.
I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game.
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Post by workshyfop on Apr 28, 2024 17:46:59 GMT 1
Whoever loses in the playoffs, whoever else comes down, Wrexham, Wigan, Blackpool, Lincoln and probably a surprise (Stevenage, our old friend Nathan Jones’ Charlton?) will all be strong sides. Definitely not going to be easy. If we don’t strengthen significantly, we could find ourselves mid-table at best. It’s bloody depressing.
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 17:47:11 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be.
We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance.
We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division
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Post by htafc1045 on Apr 28, 2024 17:51:39 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality.
I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game. This post is just contradiction after contradiction. So you want Wagner, who judging by your username and this post you seem to idolise, as he has a full understanding of the English game. Sorry, but what knowledge of the English game did Wagner have before he came here? Absolutely zero. Also not sure Wagner plays the physical route one style you seem to be clamouring for in your first line. Also, this proven manager that fully understands the English game is complete bollocks. These sorts of managers are just merry-go-round types, who do a less than average job time and time again, before gettng hired once more as they have an understanding of English football, experience, or they did kind of well at some place 20 years ago. For example, Pearson, Neil, Rowett, Hughton, managers who some on here would take in a heartbeat despite the fact that they fail almost everywhere they go nowadays. Pearson sacked at Bristol City. Neil sacked at Stoke. Rowett sacked at Millwall. Hughton sacked at Forest. All clubs of similar stature to us. Just why??
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Post by formerlymirfin5 on Apr 28, 2024 17:54:11 GMT 1
We can’t assume we’ll rock up in League One, unfit, unprepared, without new signings and beat probably hard working but limited teams. It just won’t happen - any repeat of last summer and we’ll struggle next season as well. This is exactly how we'll rock up. You just know it. We'll fuck about and not sort the AB situation now like it needs doing. We're even less appealing to players than we were last season and we won't get them in for a pre season. Whoever is in charge will want to give the spineless mugs that remain a chance. They'll be injured most of pre season, because this squad always are, and we'll go into the season unfit and with a squad half of which think they are too good for league one. Only to get hammered by Exeter opening day. Sack that manager after 6 games and be blaming the form all season on a bad pre season.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 28, 2024 17:55:52 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality. I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game. I’ve been to roughly 30 games in L2 this season, mainly Sutton United who most opponents considered to be the biggest and most physical of the lot. Arguably true. However, compared to how football used to be, they’re just pussycats. It’s a misconception that L2 and L1 are physical, even brutal as you described it to be. They’re not, the players are just less technically capable but still fanny around at the back as if they’re Man City. What you need to succeed in the lower leagues is heart and desire, a no nonsense defence and a striker that can guarantee 15+ goals.
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Post by jqhtfc on Apr 28, 2024 18:07:09 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality. I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game. Kind of disagree I’m sure there’s still sides down there that do play that way but I’d argue the teams that have gone up lately have been far from that they’re the sides that are technically better than the rest.
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 28, 2024 18:08:36 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality.
I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game. This post is just contradiction after contradiction. So you want Wagner, who judging by your username and this post you seem to idolise, as he has a full understanding of the English game. Sorry, but what knowledge of the English game did Wagner have before he came here? Absolutely zero. Also not sure Wagner plays the physical route one style you seem to be clamouring for in your first line. Also, this proven manager that fully understands the English game is complete bollocks. These sorts of managers are just merry-go-round types, who do a less than average job time and time again, before gettng hired once more as they have an understanding of English football, experience, or they did kind of well at some place 20 years ago. For example, Pearson, Neil, Rowett, Hughton, managers who some on here would take in a heartbeat despite the fact that they fail almost everywhere they go nowadays. Pearson sacked at Bristol City. Neil sacked at Stoke. Rowett sacked at Millwall. Hughton sacked at Forest. All clubs of similar stature to us. Just why?? And don't forget to mention that League 1 *isnt* actually more brutal. Having watched a handful of games and a reasonable amount of highlights, its considerably LESS physical than the Championship.
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Post by hxterrierhx on Apr 28, 2024 18:10:08 GMT 1
I don't understand the clamour to keep Thomas, it's a misconception that he is a good winger, yes he has supplied assists, but how many of those assists have been from open play, he has 9 assists this season and from memory I think it's maybe 2 assists from open play? As a winger he is in effective, rarely beats his man and when he does rarely has a goal making end product. He does work hard and tracking back, and when he does he is soft as shit in the tackle, and cries like a bitch when a decision doesn't go his way, for me he can leave, and I'll even help him pack.
The most important players for us to keep from the current squad are Spencer and Helik both of which are doubtful to stay, but they are the only 2 I would be disappointed about leaving.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 28, 2024 18:17:34 GMT 1
We know the Championship is physical, but League One is even worse, more brutal. Keeping AB and his technical approach to the game, and the kinds of players that requires, might not be the best tactic to get wins and create a siege mentality. I'd personally go for Wagner once Norwich kick him out, if he'd be prepared to be in the third division, otherwise another proven manager that fully understands the English game. Kind of disagree I’m sure there’s still sides down there that do play that way but I’d argue the teams that have gone up lately have been far from that they’re the sides that are technically better than the rest. See my post above this. Based entirely on the games I saw in L2 the best side technically is Mansfield, Stockport were decent too but Wrexham were nothing special; however, all three clubs have PROVEN lower league strikers guaranteed to get 15+ goals. The best individual team performance I’ve seen in L2 in recent seasons was actually from Leyton Orient last season and they’ve been very competitive in L1 throughout this season; they looked better than any of this season’s promoted teams.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 28, 2024 18:22:27 GMT 1
What we need to do is get some old songs going again.
When Huddersfield Town go up again ta-ra, ta-ra
Huddersfield Town will f###### rise again
That should do it
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 28, 2024 19:00:51 GMT 1
Said to my brother today, getting promoted to the premier league was one of the worst things that’s happened to us in the long run. Maybe relegation to league one will be the best thing that could’ve happened to us when we look back in a few years time - who knows. Getting to the PL was fine. With hindsight, the worst thing was staying up. If we'd have just missed out on staying up, we'd all have been happy at putting up a good fight. We'd have come down with a positive feeling around the place and a squad of players much better suited for The Championship than the shower we ended up with. Both getting to the PL and staying in the PL were fine. If you don't want to play at the highest level possible TBH what's the point (particularly when you consider the vast increase in revenue the club received for playing at that level). The problems started when there some terrible decisions were made on recruitment which plain and simply wasted that revenue and then the individual who sanctioned that expenditure decided that contrary to every real(*) indication he'd given previously he did actually expect his money back. (*) Before I'm jumped upon, yes I'm aware they were always labelled as loans but TBF that wasn't the narrative being given & yes I'm aware of the illness which (apparently) led to the significant and unexpected change of heart. The issue (which may be simply due to very unfortunate timing) was that the money was wasted before DH decided he wanted the money repaid, when in practice (due to his decisions) the only way for the money to re-pay him existing had already been allocated elsewhere. Without (in effect) parachute payments or further investment there is really only one way a club leaving the PL is going to go (although Carlos + staff very nearly pulled off the alternative). PS When I read that back I feel some may feel I'm being harsh on DH, but is there really anyone who thinks that if DH was to subsequently demand repayment of prior loans, that we should have spent the money we did in the summer of 2018? If so, Why?
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 28, 2024 19:01:48 GMT 1
Players who'll definitely be off:
Helik Thomas Rudoni Edwards - thank fuck Nakayama - thank fuck Burgzorg - thank fuck Diarra - thank fuck
As for the rest of them, the only ones I think we should keep for next reason are below. Any of the others can go for me.
Spencer Headley Pearson Turton Balker
Kasumu
Healey Radulovic
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Post by Duff as old Boots on Apr 28, 2024 19:09:56 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be. We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance. We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division Talking of bad apples I think we need a list.... I'll start Koroma
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Post by goodbet on Apr 28, 2024 19:44:59 GMT 1
Getting to the PL was fine. With hindsight, the worst thing was staying up. If we'd have just missed out on staying up, we'd all have been happy at putting up a good fight. We'd have come down with a positive feeling around the place and a squad of players much better suited for The Championship than the shower we ended up with. Both getting to the PL and staying in the PL were fine. If you don't want to play at the highest level possible TBH what's the point (particularly when you consider the vast increase in revenue the club received for playing at that level). The problems started when there some terrible decisions were made on recruitment which plain and simply wasted that revenue and then the individual who sanctioned that expenditure decided that contrary to every real(*) indication he'd given previously he did actually expect his money back. (*) Before I'm jumped upon, yes I'm aware they were always labelled as loans but TBF that wasn't the narrative being given & yes I'm aware of the illness which (apparently) led to the significant and unexpected change of heart. The issue (which may be simply due to very unfortunate timing) was that the money was wasted before DH decided he wanted the money repaid, when in practice (due to his decisions) the only way for the money to re-pay him existing had already been allocated elsewhere. Without (in effect) parachute payments or further investment there is really only one way a club leaving the PL is going to go (although Carlos + staff very nearly pulled off the alternative). PS When I read that back I feel some may feel I'm being harsh on DH, but is there really anyone who thinks that if DH was to subsequently demand repayment of prior loans, that we should have spent the money we did in the summer of 2018? If so, Why? As a business the club was not worth what we squandered while in the Premier League so there was no way Dean could get back all of the money he invested in the club, though he does appear to have given it a jolly good try.
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