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Post by Floyds on Apr 28, 2024 19:50:40 GMT 1
We can’t assume we’ll rock up in League One, unfit, unprepared, without new signings and beat probably hard working but limited teams. It just won’t happen - any repeat of last summer and we’ll struggle next season as well. This is exactly how we'll rock up. You just know it. We'll fuck about and not sort the AB situation now like it needs doing. We're even less appealing to players than we were last season and we won't get them in for a pre season. Whoever is in charge will want to give the spineless mugs that remain a chance. They'll be injured most of pre season, because this squad always are, and we'll go into the season unfit and with a squad half of which think they are too good for league one. Only to get hammered by Exeter opening day. Sack that manager after 6 games and be blaming the form all season on a bad pre season. That’s definitely what we’ll do 😂🙈
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Post by bluesandtwos on Apr 28, 2024 20:11:24 GMT 1
I don't understand the clamour to keep Thomas, it's a misconception that he is a good winger, yes he has supplied assists, but how many of those assists have been from open play, he has 9 assists this season and from memory I think it's maybe 2 assists from open play? As a winger he is in effective, rarely beats his man and when he does rarely has a goal making end product. He does work hard and tracking back, and when he does he is soft as shit in the tackle, and cries like a bitch when a decision doesn't go his way, for me he can leave, and I'll even help him pack. The most important players for us to keep from the current squad are Spencer and Helik both of which are doubtful to stay, but they are the only 2 I would be disappointed about leaving. Thomas has been playing most of the season without a striker to aim at. He can cross well with either foot and he doesn't need to beat players by much because he can swing the ball in almost around them, which he does regularly. The amount of low balls he has shot across the box and nobody has got a touch on them. It isn't his fault we have had such poor players up front. He is fast and he has a hell of an engine on him, he seems to be able to run all game. His shooting has improved as well. He has attitude issues. Certainly on the field he can cause problems for himself but he he is a good winger and this season has never lacked effort or commitment in games.
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Post by soapystevens on Apr 28, 2024 22:14:52 GMT 1
We are going to lose our best players that is nailed on, so where do we go from there.
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Post by dxterrier on Apr 28, 2024 22:30:45 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be. We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance. We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division Talking of bad apples I think we need a list.... I'll start Koroma Funnily enough, that was the first name that came to mind, complete guess based on no inside information, just a feeling but I think the players to leave early were: Koroma Thomas Burgzorg Matos
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Post by jasrick on Apr 28, 2024 22:59:53 GMT 1
A number of adjustments to be made. Lower crowds in L1, will be up to the players to generate the atmosphere by what they do on the pitch. Fewer away supporters. Less TV coverage/money. I think I’m right in saying that the last time we dropped from this level was before the top end of the game was rolling in gold? A few supporters will have to adjust quickly, because it won’t be easy, promotion is never easy from any division. On the plus side, we can have a tilt at doing all 4 titles… 😉 Just another dip on the roller coaster today, let’s hope the next up slope isn’t too far away. ST’s sensibly priced please Town, otherwise you’ll lose more fans than you may be anticipating… Interesting that you liken the dip of the roller coaster to things going badly. I’ve not really thought about it before, but the dip is definitely the exciting, fun part and the trudge up the slope the dull bit, so maybe it makes more sense for what we’ve just experienced to be a long haul up and now we can look forward to a mega drop?
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 28, 2024 23:06:18 GMT 1
Maybe I should have said we’re in the dip itself, just about to set off on the journey ahead, the struggle on the uphill section?
As long as:
a) the roller coaster isn’t suffering a power cut b) the uphill section isn’t really long c) the dip on the other side isn’t really short
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Post by terryya on Apr 29, 2024 21:21:33 GMT 1
Getting to the PL was fine. With hindsight, the worst thing was staying up. If we'd have just missed out on staying up, we'd all have been happy at putting up a good fight. We'd have come down with a positive feeling around the place and a squad of players much better suited for The Championship than the shower we ended up with. Both getting to the PL and staying in the PL were fine. If you don't want to play at the highest level possible TBH what's the point (particularly when you consider the vast increase in revenue the club received for playing at that level). The problems started when there some terrible decisions were made on recruitment which plain and simply wasted that revenue and then the individual who sanctioned that expenditure decided that contrary to every real(*) indication he'd given previously he did actually expect his money back. (*) Before I'm jumped upon, yes I'm aware they were always labelled as loans but TBF that wasn't the narrative being given & yes I'm aware of the illness which (apparently) led to the significant and unexpected change of heart. The issue (which may be simply due to very unfortunate timing) was that the money was wasted before DH decided he wanted the money repaid, when in practice (due to his decisions) the only way for the money to re-pay him existing had already been allocated elsewhere. Without (in effect) parachute payments or further investment there is really only one way a club leaving the PL is going to go (although Carlos + staff very nearly pulled off the alternative). PS When I read that back I feel some may feel I'm being harsh on DH, but is there really anyone who thinks that if DH was to subsequently demand repayment of prior loans, that we should have spent the money we did in the summer of 2018? If so, Why? Whilst I agree with most of that, the fact remains that if we hadn't stayed up, non of it would have happened.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Apr 29, 2024 21:47:14 GMT 1
Whoever is in charge at the start of pre season needs to get whoever is in the squad up to proper fitness levels for a start, I think thats been a big underlying issue for the last 2 seasons and IMO has been a big factor in all the injuries, and so many failures to see out games. If that means the squad is made to run up and down kilner bank, so be it, but its been obvious this season and last the squad is not as fit as they can be. We also need to bring back the culture of "be proud and honoured to wear the shirt" its been painfully obvious over the last 2 seasons that culture doesn't exist at the club and AB's comments after the game yesterday confirm the are bad apples in the squad. Players walking out early after the game etc, obviously we don't know names but i'm sure we could all guess names and get at least one right. Hopefully these people will want to leave and hopefully they can be moved on, good riddance. We need to learn the lessons from the last 2 seasons, if we don't then we will be having the same discussions this time next year and wondering how long we will be stuck in the 4th division Talking of bad apples I think we need a list.... I'll start Koroma I don't think Koroma is. I think he's got serious issues with confidence which impact his game massively rather than it being an attitude problem. He's the opposite of Thomas. One thinks he's better than Messi while the other thinks he still belongs in the Conference
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Apr 29, 2024 21:53:39 GMT 1
Needs a total rebuild.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Apr 29, 2024 22:05:44 GMT 1
The one player I’d most look at keeping is Rudoni. I agree his finishing is not great but that aside you’ll struggle to find a better player in League One and his commitment is always excellent. If we listen to offers there’ll be a string of Championship teams in for him.
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Post by Jimuano on Apr 30, 2024 9:42:27 GMT 1
team for our first league one game season 24/25
-----------------------------Maxwell------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turton---------------Lees--------------Pearson/New defender-------------Spencer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------Kasumu/Hogg---------------------Wiles/New midfielder (who can pass)- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jones------------------------Rudoni-----------------------------Koroma/New winger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------Healey---------------------------------------------
mid table as fook.
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Post by terrierneil on Apr 30, 2024 12:41:00 GMT 1
team for our first league one game season 24/25 -----------------------------Maxwell------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turton---------------Lees--------------Pearson/New defender-------------Spencer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------Kasumu/Hogg---------------------Wiles/New midfielder (who can pass)- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jones------------------------Rudoni-----------------------------Koroma/New winger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------Healey--------------------------------------------- mid table as fook. Fucking depressing. No chance of making play offs.
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Post by royalflush on Apr 30, 2024 13:08:17 GMT 1
I think people aren't grasping the utter mediocrity of league one these days. This isn't the league one of 2008-2012 which saw us competing against the likes of Norwich, Leicester, Forest, Wednesday, Leeds and Southampton. It's very poor quality as demonstrated by the fact Wrexham installed as 8/1 favourites. That side although depressing on paper would still be getting into the play-offs.
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Post by always a terrier on Apr 30, 2024 15:37:09 GMT 1
I think next season we will do well to finish mid table. Don’t forget half this lot are still under contract and can’t see them having the guts & determination for a battle which is league one. I’ve seen a few think we will be challenging for the play offs as worst case scenario. Sorry just don’t see it. They are some clubs that are bigger than ourselves who have struggled in league one for a good few years. If some people think we will be challenging for promotion next season I would perhaps lower expectations sum what. Think it will be very much a steady as you go rebuild job next season with perhaps a mid table finish.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 30, 2024 17:41:44 GMT 1
I think next season we will do well to finish mid table. Don’t forget half this lot are still under contract and can’t see them having the guts & determination for a battle which is league one. I’ve seen a few think we will be challenging for the play offs as worst case scenario. Sorry just don’t see it. They are some clubs that are bigger than ourselves who have struggled in league one for a good few years. If some people think we will be challenging for promotion next season I would perhaps lower expectations sum what. Think it will be very much a steady as you go rebuild job next season with perhaps a mid table finish. Anything other than top 2 is not good enough
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Post by boooothy on Apr 30, 2024 18:19:21 GMT 1
I’m getting a terrible feeling of deja vu like the Premier League relegation.
We consoled ourselves leaving the greedy league that we had better players than the rest of the division and parachute money would see us towards the top of the league for at least 3 seasons. “At least we’ll win some games” we assumed.
Only to find out that behind the scenes was a total shit show. Players and management disrespecting each other. Players leaving last minute and those that stayed getting the piss taken out of them by players on a fraction of their wage.
Look at that Championship team that nearly got relegated. Mind boggling.
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Post by theterrier42 on Apr 30, 2024 18:21:52 GMT 1
Will we be televised every week next year. Sky supposedly has about 250 league one games on next season, so approximately 5 a gameweek. With us being arguably the biggest club in the league I’m expecting most weeks we will be on tv with shit KO times
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Apr 30, 2024 18:30:59 GMT 1
We will be the team everyone wants to beat nest season and i was hoping to book a few away games by train well in advance for the cheapest fares, but no doubt our friends at Sky will put an end to that.
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Post by always a terrier on Apr 30, 2024 19:41:23 GMT 1
I think next season we will do well to finish mid table. Don’t forget half this lot are still under contract and can’t see them having the guts & determination for a battle which is league one. I’ve seen a few think we will be challenging for the play offs as worst case scenario. Sorry just don’t see it. They are some clubs that are bigger than ourselves who have struggled in league one for a good few years. If some people think we will be challenging for promotion next season I would perhaps lower expectations sum what. Think it will be very much a steady as you go rebuild job next season with perhaps a mid table finish. Anything other than top 2 is not good enough I’m afraid we will be nowhere near the top two next season. For a start who’s going to buy half the dross we have at the club playing wise. Watching us this season we will be lucky to finish mid table. No way are we troubling the top two next season. Sad but true I feel. I’d be surprised if we even make the top six. Last time we were down there it took us 10 years to make it back to the championship. Yes granted we was a financial mess. But this time I just feel the club is a total mess from top to bottom. And I think it will take more than one season in league one to sort this mess out. I’m looking at best a top 10 finish in all honesty.
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Post by softboy on Apr 30, 2024 19:58:12 GMT 1
Interesting that you don’t think we will be anywhere near top 2. Rotherham are poor and whoever comes down with us is only marginally better than our current team. As for the teams currently in L1 I cannot comment because other than highlights I’ve not seen enough of them.
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Post by isitjustme on Apr 30, 2024 20:08:33 GMT 1
People rightly pointing out that many of our disappointing players are still under contract next season and might be difficult to move on. So why can't we just not give them a squad no. like LOB found at twigs, and say you will not be part of the team next season. A season without any competitive football would not be good for their career. Maybe they would then be more willing to accept lesser wages at another club for a move, rather than stagnating. Yes we could be stuck with a high wage bill if they decided to just stay put. Can't see any other way to encourage them to move on......Or maybe I've completely misread the situation......!!!
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 30, 2024 20:08:56 GMT 1
Our current squad has more league 1 experience than some of the teams in there already.
Nicholls, Maxwell, Pearson, Turton, Ruffels, Rudoni, Healey, Ward, Kasumu, Wiles, Koroma are players off the top of my head with plenty of experience of the division between them.
Not sure how many of those will be here next season though?
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 30, 2024 20:17:19 GMT 1
It's been 12 years since we've been at this level.
A lot has changed since then and the gap between the top 3 divisions has widened season upon season.
If we don't finish inside the top 6 next season then it will be a disgrace.
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Post by keefer on Apr 30, 2024 20:19:26 GMT 1
team for our first league one game season 24/25 -----------------------------Maxwell------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turton---------------Lees--------------Pearson/New defender-------------Spencer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------Kasumu/Hogg---------------------Wiles/New midfielder (who can pass)- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jones------------------------Rudoni-----------------------------Koroma/New winger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------Healey--------------------------------------------- mid table as fook. Fucking depressing. No chance of making play offs. Absolutely priceless. One person plucks a team, based on nothing, out of thin air and another joins in and writes off any chance of reaching the play offs. I would say that you couldn't make it up but two people did
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Post by Up the Duff. on Apr 30, 2024 20:26:55 GMT 1
Balker will still be here, who the fuck is going to buy him for anything near what we paid?
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Post by keefer on Apr 30, 2024 20:29:17 GMT 1
Balker will still be here, who the fuck is going to buy him for anything near what we paid? What did we pay?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Apr 30, 2024 20:36:08 GMT 1
I’m getting a terrible feeling of deja vu like the Premier League relegation. We consoled ourselves leaving the greedy league that we had better players than the rest of the division and parachute money would see us towards the top of the league for at least 3 seasons. “At least we’ll win some games” we assumed. Only to find out that behind the scenes was a total shit show. Players and management disrespecting each other. Players leaving last minute and those that stayed getting the piss taken out of them by players on a fraction of their wage. Look at that Championship team that nearly got relegated. Mind boggling. This. Exactly this. I've just made a similar point in a new thread because I just keep seeing people think we are going to be top of the lot. Not with this squad and in this situation and that is 100% definitely what we have at the moment.
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Post by Dan on Apr 30, 2024 20:37:13 GMT 1
Balker will still be here, who the fuck is going to buy him for anything near what we paid? What did we pay? Just over a million
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Post by keefer on Apr 30, 2024 20:45:31 GMT 1
Actual fact or DATM fact?
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Post by Dan on Apr 30, 2024 20:47:33 GMT 1
Actual fact or DATM fact? Dutch media reported at the time of the transfer that the fee agreed was 1.3 million euros...
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