Will the Baying Mob be happy?

[lenquested]

So Dean Hoyle has gone for short-term popularity with the most vocal ( and the most vicious) of Town fans. Perhaps he should have consulted Wikipedia for what happened to Leeds United when they gave in to player power in 1974 – it took the club 16 years to recover.
Although I am not party to the politics of HTFC, it seems that Stan Ternent’s departure may not be solely down to player power as the baying mob seems to have been led by the Irish connection both within the club and the media, which did not take to Stan’s brutally honest assessment of the minimal output from the Academy. He was also hired by a board that was unable to come to a collective decision and abide by it.
The mob should be aware that though they believe that today is a good day for the club, the amount of money spent on paying out the manager and his staff and the subsequent replacement of players by a new manager means that HTFC will spend a lot of cash to stand still. All of a sudden Dean Hoyle’s pockets need to be a lot bigger to finance the ambitions of all true Town supporters.

[TomTheTerrier]

Like I said earlier.

Hoyle will live or die by this decision.

(not literally)

[SL0]

Your right, it will cost a lot of money but the football this season was shocking. How much longer could people take the kind of football we was playing. Pass the ball once, cross into the box, lose it and then hope the midfield pick up the pieces. In spells we did try and pass the ball but maybe once or twice a game. For me that's not what footballs about. No matter how much a season ticket is or isn't, it's not worth watching the football we have seen this season. AND the style of football wouldn't have changed under Stan.
So short term yes it will cost us but long term we will see if it's the right decision!

[Captainslapper]

Better to plod along on the long,depressing road to abject failure and mediocrity?
Hoyle wasn't responsible for this mistake ( and thats what it has been) but at least hes had the good sense to put it right.

[scottieterrier]

Dean didn't want Stan in the first place, he wanted Mike Newell. Best decision by far.

[Deleted]

Well im pretty happy

[bouldingisgod]

I always thought Stan was doing a great job

[rage_of_ed]

Nov 4, 2008 13:41:35 GMT 1 w131 said:

Nov 4, 2008 13:38:56 GMT 1 scottieterrier said:

Dean didn't want Stan in the first place, he wanted Mike Newell. Best decision by far.

Now there's a good shout - Newell

Two words: Grimsby Town.

[mugz79]

so what happens now if the new manager doesn't get em playing like Arsenal within 15 games? It just feels now like this is a waste of season & more importantly a massive waste of money.

[Floyds]

more of a waste of time or money than if we had got relegated to league 2 with ST in charge?


the new man will get at least 12 months from now....this season he wont be expected to get us to the playoffs as we have had a poor start and it is not his squad

he will be given the summer to strengthen and build his own team

then given 15 games of the next season

if we have shown a reasonable level of improvement (in performances and results) then im sure he will get as much time as he needs

[CaptainHart]

Nov 4, 2008 13:44:57 GMT 1 mugz79 said:

so what happens now if the new manager doesn't get em playing like Arsenal within 15 games? It just feels now like this is a waste of season & more importantly a massive waste of money.

I think the new manager will get at least 12 months.

What makes you think the season and money hadn't already been wasted with Stan?

[runner76]

Nov 4, 2008 13:48:38 GMT 1 Floyds said:

more of a waste of time or money than if we had got relegated to league 2 with ST in charge?


the new man will get at least 12 months from now....this season he wont be expected to get us to the playoffs as we have had a poor start and it is not his squad

he will be given the summer to strengthen and build his own team

then given 15 games of the next season

if we have shown a reasonable level of improvement (in performances and results) then im sure he will get as much time as he needs

Not a million miles from the play offs and with a decent squad (on paper) - I think the new man will 100% be expected to get us in the play offs..............

[Floyds]

I dont

I think DH will expect an improvement from where we are now, both in terms of performances and results, but wont expect play offs

I mean, the squad is so unbalanced it is untrue

We have 3 poor leftbacks, no rightback, one winger, a million central midfielders and not one striker here permanently who can score anything like the goals needed in a playoff chasing side

For example: who is going to be upfront from after the Leeds game until 1 January?

Beckett, Parker, Jevons, Booth, Cadders?

No combination of that lot (even when fit) are good enough to get us goals in this league



The new man will definitely be given until this time next season, i will bet my house on it.

[stainsbyblue]

I'm not one for sacking managers so quickly but I think on this occasion it's for the best.
I don't claim to have any contacts within the club, I just listen to the radio, read this message board , newspaper articles, and the talk at home games and then come to my own conclusions.

Up until this morning I thought we were a club at war with itself. Not a happy place to work.Apparently ST upset the Academy management by pointing out that their "young guns" were in the main, firing blanks and had not progressed. I think he was right to do this and the Collins of the world need to take note. However if Stans approach is anything like the approach he takes during interviews then I can understand Gerry Murphy taking his bat home.
You cannot behave like Stan behaves in 2008 and hope to retain loyalty, not just in a football club but in any job. It just doesn't work.

Stan is obviously a football man with many contacts within the game, he will get another role as will Jepson and the rest.

What we need now is for a young manager with fresh ideas and a bit of money to spend. He needs an attitude that will appeal to all within the club so everyone plays a part in the journey that we are about to embark upon.

Top six is still on if everyone gets on board.

[midge]

Nov 4, 2008 13:56:58 GMT 1 runner76 said:

Nov 4, 2008 13:48:38 GMT 1 Floyds said:

more of a waste of time or money than if we had got relegated to league 2 with ST in charge?


the new man will get at least 12 months from now....this season he wont be expected to get us to the playoffs as we have had a poor start and it is not his squad

he will be given the summer to strengthen and build his own team

then given 15 games of the next season

if we have shown a reasonable level of improvement (in performances and results) then im sure he will get as much time as he needs

Not a million miles from the play offs and with a decent squad (on paper) - I think the new man will 100% be expected to get us in the play offs..............

Not for me!!!!

A possibility of course but that kind of pressure could see us having yet another change of manager this season!!!!

[forehead]

Nov 4, 2008 13:43:12 GMT 1 bouldingisgod said:

I always thought Stan was doing a great job

Get that disgusting picture off this board!!!

[ronnette]

Nov 4, 2008 13:48:38 GMT 1 Floyds said:

more of a waste of time or money than if we had got relegated to league 2 with ST in charge?


the new man will get at least 12 months from now....this season he wont be expected to get us to the playoffs as we have had a poor start and it is not his squad

he will be given the summer to strengthen and build his own team

then given 15 games of the next season

if we have shown a reasonable level of improvement (in performances and results) then im sure he will get as much time as he needs

and if he doesn't do we pay off the fourth manager in 3 seasons???Will the boo boys be back

[cojones]

Nov 4, 2008 13:43:12 GMT 1 bouldingisgod said:

I always thought Stan was doing a great job

Good enough to beat you chickens anyway!

[betsvigi9]

Nov 4, 2008 13:17:50 GMT 1 lenquested said:

So Dean Hoyle has gone for short-term popularity with the most vocal ( and the most vicious) of Town fans. Perhaps he should have consulted Wikipedia for what happened to Leeds United when they gave in to player power in 1974 – it took the club 16 years to recover.
Although I am not party to the politics of HTFC, it seems that Stan Ternent’s departure may not be solely down to player power as the baying mob seems to have been led by the Irish connection both within the club and the media, which did not take to Stan’s brutally honest assessment of the minimal output from the Academy. He was also hired by a board that was unable to come to a collective decision and abide by it.
The mob should be aware that though they believe that today is a good day for the club, the amount of money spent on paying out the manager and his staff and the subsequent replacement of players by a new manager means that HTFC will spend a lot of cash to stand still. All of a sudden Dean Hoyle’s pockets need to be a lot bigger to finance the ambitions of all true Town supporters.

The boo boys will never be satisfied. Whoever the new manager is, he has probably only got about 10 games to turn things round before they start getting on his back as well.

I am surprised that Stan has been sacked and wonder if there has been some sort of major behind the scenes disagreement, rather than this being just based on results. I hope so, because if it is just based on results, then I fear for our future. You cannot keep continually sacking managers and expect to be successful. It's absolutely crucial that they appoint the right manager this time and really give him some time to get things right.

Personally, I don't think that Stan was given enough time. However, since I have no control over the situation, I'm not going to get all worked up about it.

The King is dead, long live the King.

[richhtfc]

What bestvigi said.

They need to be thinking in terms of years rather than months with the next guy.

[mids]

It's not all due to results.....there's been lots of contributing factors.....and Stan's crass comments haven't helped to buy him any time!

[HuddsTerrier]

Okay put it another way ...

Can someone please put forward a case, based soley on his 6 months in charge of Town, why ST deserved longer?

[ivan58]

Leaving Ternent in charge, it would eventually cost more to leave him in place. The gamble is will a new appointment be successful.

Only the blind had faith in Ternent the shapeless dross metered out on the pitch made it obvious that the coaching and direction was non existent.

Now is the time to rally round and support the players and the new coach, lets face it the players in the squad don't look too bad.

[Scissett Terrier!]

i was 100% behind Stan to turn it around and he would of done but we are where we are.

I will be happy if boothroyd comes in as manager but i tell you now people will be on his back within weeks because it will be long ball football or hoofball as town fans now liek to call it.

if i was Deano id be having very serious think on who to approach for what i feel is fast becoming the newcastle job of the football league!

[Captainslapper]

Im all for giving the manager time, BUT that only works if the manager you're giving time to is the right man in the first place.
Ternent clearly wasn't. It would be more likely hed die of old age before he got it right at this club.

The expectations for the new man will be just to finish as high up the table as possible this season, but I don't think the play offs are out of reach if he can make something out of the mess ternents left him. Thats all you can demand when hes working with his predecesors team. Next season it will be to finish top 6 at least.
We're an ambitious club with ambitious expectations

[betsvigi9]

Nov 4, 2008 14:34:59 GMT 1 @mids said:

It's not all due to results.....there's been lots of contributing factors.....and Stan's crass comments haven't helped to buy him any time!

Surely they knew what he was like before they appointed him? His crass comments are not exactly unexpected are they? It's not like he hasn't done exactly the same thing at every other club he has been at. I think it is a little strange to then use that as one of the reasons to sack him.

As I said before, I hope that there is has been some major argument or personality clash that has caused this. We cannot keep on appointing managers, giving them a few months and then sacking them and expect success on the field; we need stability, continuity and above all a bit of patience.

[Floyds]

They cant possibly do.

The only positive thing anyone has said is that we shouldnt change our manager so ofter.

Which is fair enough to an extent. But if that is the sole reason any single poster can come up with as a defence against sacking him then i think that kind of sums it up.

His signings were average/poor, his squad imbalanced, players out of position, terrible football, worse results, rumours about infighting amongst the players, heavy defeats, arguments with gerry, strange comments post match.....


What has he done well since he came?

I honestly cant think of one thing.

All this "the boo boys will never be satisfied" is absolute rubbish.

Get a team who are committed, playing decent football and winning a few games and the fans will be right behind them.

If we are still in this position in 12 months time, then yeah, the new manager will be under pressure

But this is to be expected, surely?

No one should be allowed to carry on in any job indefinitely when they have been so abysmal in their performance.

[ding1981]

what happens with the fa charges against stan now that he is out of a job?

[betsvigi9]

Nov 4, 2008 14:48:08 GMT 1 Floyds said:

They cant possibly do.

The only positive thing anyone has said is that we shouldnt change our manager so ofter.

Which is fair enough to an extent. But if that is the sole reason any single poster can come up with as a defence against sacking him then i think that kind of sums it up.

His signings were average/poor, his squad imbalanced, players out of position, terrible football, worse results, rumours about infighting amongst the players, heavy defeats, arguments with gerry, strange comments post match.....


What has he done well since he came?

I honestly cant think of one thing.

All this "the boo boys will never be satisfied" is absolute rubbish.

Get a team who are committed, playing decent football and winning a few games and the fans will be right behind them.

If we are still in this position in 12 months time, then yeah, the new manager will be under pressure

But this is to be expected, surely?

No one should be allowed to carry on in any job indefinitely when they have been so abysmal in their performance.

Blimey, are you going to give the next manager a whole 12 months?

You can't guarantee success, it doesn't matter who the next manager is and how much money is spent. Whether Stan would or wouldn't have been successful in the long run, I've no idea. Certainly, he was unable to produce a winning formula in the first few months, but whether in the long run he would have, nobody knows that and we won't find out now. I do not believe that you can build a winning team and squad in 6 months without a lot of luck and the transfer window system makes it even harder than it used to be.

We shall see who is right regarding the boo boys. If the next manager doesn't bring more or less immediate success, then my guess is they won't give him long and certainly not 12 months.

[huddersfield1234]

He's made wrong decision by my book
It will all fall down on him in the end