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Post by barker9979 on Dec 1, 2008 1:37:34 GMT 1
but it was murphy and his boys who went crying and he was told to use the academy players or go so it wasnt all down to him
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 2:26:07 GMT 1
I'll believe this when I see it in a more reputable newspaper. Everything that the red-top papers spout off is rubbish anyway, just there to fill the pages.
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Post by Tez on Dec 1, 2008 7:56:05 GMT 1
I just like looking at the 'pictures' in the red tops. Classy.
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Post by barker9979 on Dec 1, 2008 9:22:23 GMT 1
its in mirror today as well
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Post by stevehardwick on Dec 1, 2008 10:05:22 GMT 1
Personally I'd be really happy if this were the case. Rated highly and played at Premiership level for years. Would be better option than last geordie we had.
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Post by vancea on Dec 1, 2008 10:13:52 GMT 1
Lee Clark's nickname at Newcastle was Jigsaw because he went to pieces in the box. Might be Ok as a coach close to the players but doesnt sound like the strength of character to be a manager.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 1, 2008 10:23:05 GMT 1
Didn't he once have his photograph taken with some Newcastle fans wearing a tee-shirt they'd given him which had some rude,anti-Sunderland sentiment on the front ( Newcastle player pissing on a sunderland shirt sort of thing)?
A surprising thing to do as he was a Sunderland player at the time!
Maybe hes not the sharpest tool? ;D
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Dec 1, 2008 10:53:50 GMT 1
I'm surprised everyone seems like they would be pretty happy with this. Personally i'd be very disappointed if we appointed Lee Clarke. Years of premiership experience means very little when it comes to being a good manager, and as I have posted an example of previously, recent ex-prem players becoming managers has, on the whole, been a failure barring the obvious examples such as Mark Hughes. Unsworth has more Premier League experience than Lee Clarke, and has probably worked under better managers too, and not many were happy with him.
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 1, 2008 10:58:32 GMT 1
I think we'd be crazy to put a first time manager in, the fans wouldn't give him anytime at all, if we weren't on a good run quickly we'd be back to square one. If they're young and relatively new they have to have some evidence of success behind imo.
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Post by Davey Monroe on Dec 1, 2008 10:58:42 GMT 1
I'm surprised everyone seems like they would be pretty happy with this. Personally i'd be very disappointed if we appointed Lee Clarke. I have to agree with you, Tom! I'd be extremely unexcited if we appointed Lee Clarke as our manager.
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Post by midlander on Dec 1, 2008 11:15:36 GMT 1
I'm surprised everyone seems like they would be pretty happy with this. Personally i'd be very disappointed if we appointed Lee Clarke. Years of premiership experience means very little when it comes to being a good manager, and as I have posted an example of previously, recent ex-prem players becoming managers has, on the whole, been a failure barring the obvious examples such as Mark Hughes. Unsworth has more Premier League experience than Lee Clarke, and has probably worked under better managers too, and not many were happy with him. Paul Ince did a very good job in MK. Steve Bruce (loathe him as many may) did a decent job at Brum and is doing well at Wigan. (Also had Town playing very good football) Tony Adams has just been entrusted with the Pompey job. Roy keane at Sunderland hasn't been a disaster - he kept them up last year, which was a great success. Di Matteo has hardly started off badly at MK this season. I don't think it matters what level you've played at as to how good a coach or manager you will be. (See Wenger, Benitez, Roberto Martinez, Mourinho as examples) Allardyce hardly had a glittering footy career, Boothroyd ditto and if all football clubs had the mentality of going for someone with previous experience, then we'd never know if anyone was any good. We'd take Darren Ferguson right now wouldn't we? Two years ago, most would have said "He's only ever played for Wrexham," "He'll just be living off his name," etc..... Sometimes, you have to take a chance. Every appointment is a risk. Lee Clark could become a fantastic manager, but nobody will ever know unless they take a chance on him!
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Dec 1, 2008 11:38:19 GMT 1
I'm surprised everyone seems like they would be pretty happy with this. Personally i'd be very disappointed if we appointed Lee Clarke. Years of premiership experience means very little when it comes to being a good manager, and as I have posted an example of previously, recent ex-prem players becoming managers has, on the whole, been a failure barring the obvious examples such as Mark Hughes. Unsworth has more Premier League experience than Lee Clarke, and has probably worked under better managers too, and not many were happy with him. Paul Ince did a very good job in MK. Steve Bruce (loathe him as many may) did a decent job at Brum and is doing well at Wigan. (Also had Town playing very good football) Tony Adams has just been entrusted with the Pompey job. Roy keane at Sunderland hasn't been a disaster - he kept them up last year, which was a great success. Di Matteo has hardly started off badly at MK this season. I don't think it matters what level you've played at as to how good a coach or manager you will be. (See Wenger, Benitez, Roberto Martinez, Mourinho as examples) Allardyce hardly had a glittering footy career, Boothroyd ditto and if all football clubs had the mentality of going for someone with previous experience, then we'd never know if anyone was any good. We'd take Darren Ferguson right now wouldn't we? Two years ago, most would have said "He's only ever played for Wrexham," "He'll just be living off his name," etc..... Sometimes, you have to take a chance. Every appointment is a risk. Lee Clark could become a fantastic manager, but nobody will ever know unless they take a chance on him! The point I was trying to make was that Premier League experience as a player doesn't matter much as a coach, as most successful managers seem to have played at below the top level. I don't think you can really compare the Alex Ferguson school to the Kevin Keegan school though... And Keane at Sunderland, considering the amount of money he has had at his disposal, has done very badly IMO. Yes Lee Clarke could be a fantastic manager, but the evidence of other recent ex pros suggests he will probably just be average.
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Post by midlander on Dec 1, 2008 11:58:25 GMT 1
The point I was trying to make was that Premier League experience as a player doesn't matter much as a coach, as most successful managers seem to have played at below the top level. I don't think you can really compare the Alex Ferguson school to the Kevin Keegan school though... And Keane at Sunderland, considering the amount of money he has had at his disposal, has done very badly IMO. Yes Lee Clarke could be a fantastic manager, but the evidence of other recent ex pros suggests he will probably just be average. I understand what you are saying, but Clark has experience outside the top flight too. I fully agree that Premiership experience isn't a must for any manager, especially at our level. Infact, you could argue that it may be the last thing you'd want at our level, BUT I don't think we should write off a young manager because some others of his generation haven't lived up to much. We went for Fergie's generation last time and that didn't work out. I'm sure we'd mostly like Allardyce or Boothroyd, BUT I don't know if there is a realistic chance of either. If not them, then where do we look? Do we go for an Adkins / Robins with a little experience or an older manager with baggage? (would go against Hoyle's initial comments though) Or, do we give someone their first chance in management? My point was that every successful manager has to start somewhere and that Lee Clark (there's no E on his name btw) isn't a bad shout, neither is Michael Appleton IMHO. I just think we should analyse people's management ability as indivuals, not because of generation. A young man with a desire to make his way in management might be the way forward and let's not forget that from what Hoyle has said, the new man will have had to have been able to convince Hoyle that he is right for the job. If that man is Clark or Appleton (or another unknown quantity), then so be it and let's get behind them!
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Post by barker9979 on Dec 1, 2008 19:34:52 GMT 1
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 1, 2008 19:42:34 GMT 1
;D from what Roeder is saying Clark is nailed on then ....
dont want chris hutchings, another one from derby like stan was...
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