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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 9:38:19 GMT 1
More of a point than a question. I hope we all give the new man (regardless who it is) our whole backing. I don't want there to be pessimism because you woke out of your dream and Sam Allardyce is still earning his big payoff from Newcastle and waiting for a prospective Premiership club to pick him up. We are much more likely to acquire Nigel Adkins or Mark Robins. Or we may install a man who has being assistant for a while at a Championship club and is now looking to get started in management. These are the more practical turnouts so we should keep realistic in our hopes too. People seem to be getting ahead of themselves saying that Adkins inherited the side that got promoted and this and that. All I say is look at Sammy Lee. He took over Bolton after they had just finished a brilliant few seasons under Allardyce. They had qualified for Europe and it was them who were being talked about in the same breath as Aston Villa and Tottenham. A mediocre manager will not walk into a good side and watch them continue to play well and win under poor guidance (or at least very rarely). I personally think Adkins would be a good appointment for the club. This season again he is showing he has what it takes. He is the kind of man who Dean will be looking to take the club forward. Same with the Rotherham man. I just hope that because of stupid rumours here and there we don't get ahead of ourselves. Remember, season tickets are £100 this season. I think we'd be averaging >8000 if it wasn't for the offer. How can we be held in the same breath as Bolton Wanderers with these crowds, not to say league status? We've been no where in the league for 30 years, we are a small to medium club playing third tier football and it looks like that won't be changing just yet. We harp on about the 1920's and our successes then. You don't hear Burnley doing that, and they won it in bleeding 1960! A step back and a breath of realism is needed please. Put your level head on. Dean is not Roman Abramovich and we are not Chelsea (or Bolton, or Watford, or Leicester, or Charlton, or Wolves, or Birmingham, or Forest, or Leeds, or Norwich, or Ipswich, or Sheff Utd, or Sheff Weds, or Southampton, or Coventry, or Derby.) We are Huddersfield Town and we are on the up. So be optimistic in whoever we appoint. It won't be another Stan Ternant (at least I hope to God it ain't :  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 1, 2008 10:15:16 GMT 1
Agree in general with that but I don't think the Allardyce rumour is as fancyful as you think. Probably unlikely to happen but I think we'd tick a lot of the boxes hed be looking for in his next club.
And regards Bolton- Obviously given our recent histories ( last 35 years)and current situation Bolton are getting bigger gates than we are. But we ARE similar clubs in terms of size none-the-less.
Would Bolton get our gates if theyd had our history since the 70s? I very much doubt it.
Would we get their gates in the prem? Certainly.
When both clubs were in the championship most recently the gates were pretty much the same.
We aren't a Bolton NOW, or a wigan or Fulham, Blackburn or Hull. But any manager coming in ,whether Adkins, Allardyce or whoever, should at least know that with an ambitious,wealthy owner like Hoyle in charge we have all the potential you need to be like them. Its about where we could be, not where we are.
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Post by midlander on Dec 1, 2008 10:19:23 GMT 1
Excellent post Kenmagra! Agree with pretty much everything you say, except I have an irrational desire for it not to be Adkins. Not because he hasn't done a good job, I think he has. I just get a feeling in my bones that it wouldn't work.
I'm all for giving Lee Clark a chance or any other prospective coach wishing to break into management. At least that way, I think fans would be a bit more patient.
Allardyce is a pipe dream, as is Boothroyd. If either of those happen, fantastic. Expecting either of them to happen is "probably" going to lead to disappointment and a feeling of being underwhelmed.
We've just got to be open-minded and get behind the new boss, whoever it may be. Not dredge up past failures or successes, fall outs or experiences. The fact is, nobody knows whether the new man will be successful. There are no guarantees with anybody, BUT the next man has to be given time to impose his ideas and philosophy on the club, without the negativity that there may initially be, if results don't go our way.
We aren't all going to agree with the next appointment, but we have to trust the board to make the right decision based on far more inside knowledge than any of us will ever have!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 10:46:19 GMT 1
Good Post.
Although the patience of the Huddersfield fans has been tested many times over recent history, we MUST give the new manager, and the new chairman time to build a solid team.
Although we may have a squad capable of gaining promotion (and we may at a stretch). We don't have a squad capable of championship football. It will take time.
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Post by mallyb on Dec 1, 2008 11:10:23 GMT 1
Agree that we need patience but disagree completely about the burnley comment, I have never met a more arrogant set of fans. They absolutely see themselves as a big club, the best supported in the country if you ask them. I grew up there and you would have thought they were one of the countries top 10 teams.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 11:26:11 GMT 1
we are not Chelsea (or Bolton, or Watford, or Leicester, or Charlton, or Wolves, or Birmingham, or Forest, or Leeds, or Norwich, or Ipswich, or Sheff Utd, or Sheff Weds, or Southampton, or Coventry, or Derby.) I see you chose all big city clubs, and with the possible exception of Wolves, NOT ONE of them have our history. % wise per population, we are EASILY the best supported club on that list. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 11:42:31 GMT 1
WHAT!
forest double european cup winners. (back to back) english champions 1979
ipswich won the uefa cup.
wednesday won the top flight 4 times.
derby won the league twice in the 70's and got to the semi-final of the european cup
leeds won the league in 1990, and (i hate to say it) in the CL semi in in this millennium. (they won the top flight as many times as us and have 1 FA cup like us)
norwich population 132,000
ipswich population 121,000
watford population 80,000
huddersfield population 146,234 (this was taken in 2001, the other are last year [so it's probably more now])
where are you getting your stats from?
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 1, 2008 11:51:22 GMT 1
If you accept Huddersfield is the capital of Kirklees (we have lots of supporters from Dewsbury and Batley etc... that wouldn't be covered by your population figure) the population is actually nearer 400,000 meaning we should/could have more potential than people think.
Just playing devils advocate.
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Post by ram on Dec 1, 2008 11:51:24 GMT 1
Be optimistic? Your post is anything but!Every word runs Huddersfield Down, as a Town and a Football Club!
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Post by freddi99 on Dec 1, 2008 11:52:40 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 11:53:16 GMT 1
my post is realistic. the mistake town fans make. there is a distinct difference between pessimism and realism. the stats up there prove it.
look i'm sorry if any of you perceive this as negativity. it's the point i was originally trying to make. we have to actually assess who and where we are.
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Post by freddi99 on Dec 1, 2008 11:55:27 GMT 1
my post is realistic. the mistake town fans make. there is a distinct difference between pessimism and realism. the stats up there prove it. where did peter taylor manage before his current Job  would you have ever pictured taylor managing that club |
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 1, 2008 11:58:29 GMT 1
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Post by Davey Monroe on Dec 1, 2008 12:02:34 GMT 1
Agree that we need patience but disagree completely about the burnley comment, I have never met a more arrogant set of fans. They absolutely see themselves as a big club, the best supported in the country if you ask them. I grew up there and you would have thought they were one of the countries top 10 teams. I worked in Burnley for a few years and the lads over there seemed to think they were by far the biggest club outside the Premier League. With regards to the original post, I think Town ARE a big club that have underachieved greatly over the last 30 years or so and I don't think expectation levels are too high. With the right appointment and a bit of luck I think we could achieve much of what Hull, Bolton, Wigan, Fulham, Stoke...etc have in recent years. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Dec 1, 2008 12:05:15 GMT 1
We are easily as big a club as most of those you list. We have spent 30 years in the doldrums because of continued mismanagment and underinvestment, not because we belong in the 3rd/4th tier.
Had we spent any money in the 70's and stayed in Div 1 we could have easily gone on to win a UEFA cup like Ipswich or another leagie title like Derby. As it is we tumbled due to having crap boards/no money and by the time we finally started getting close again (late 90s) the cups/most of prem were/are a closed shop, and regardless we had another crap board and the same tumble reaccurred.
The point is that given a sustained period of proper management we could and should be up there again. Just dont expect us to win anthing major as unlike in the 70s that doesnt happen in the modern footballing world without MASSIVE investment ala Pompey.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 12:14:19 GMT 1
WHAT! forest double european cup winners. (back to back) english champions 1979 ipswich won the uefa cup. wednesday won the top flight 4 times. derby won the league twice in the 70's and got to the semi-final of the european cup leeds won the league in 1990, and (i hate to say it) in the CL semi in in this millennium. (they won the top flight as many times as us and have 1 FA cup like us) norwich population 132,000 ipswich population 121,000 watford population 80,000 huddersfield population 146,234 (this was taken in 2001, the other are last year [so it's probably more now]) where are you getting your stats from? Unfortunately, when we were the best team IN THE WORLD, european competition had not started so that rules out any european triumphs. So that leaves Forest with ONE championship win. Ipswich, one, poss two championship wins. Wednesday, ok I'll give you that one but how many times did they win it in a row? Derby, won the league twice, which is less than us. l**ds have NEVER won anything where there is not a serious doubt about the legality of it. And all big city clubs. |
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Post by ram on Dec 1, 2008 12:27:39 GMT 1
Terrier Legend said everything I was thinking,but was too annoyed to write..On the Management front,the appointment,for what he suggests,has to be Big,and not any of the untried Cheap option names being bandied about..owt like that,and its as you were,or back to Square 1,whichever comes first.... Come on Dean Do it right,or prove me wrong!
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 12:33:43 GMT 1
..On the Management front,the appointment,for what he suggests,has to be Big,and not any of the untried Cheap option names being bandied about.. With us being a 3rd division side, I'm not sure a 'big' appointment will be possible. Look at the skip dwellers. They are now 3rd division and they could only get mccalister. Not many 'big' managers in this league. |
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Post by ram on Dec 1, 2008 12:41:05 GMT 1
From that ,I take it,you are not in the Allardyce/Boothroyd camp,unlike our freddie 99,then?
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 12:43:24 GMT 1
From that ,I take it,you are not in the Allardyce/Boothroyd camp,unlike our freddie 99,then? I am getting more and more convinced that it will be Lee Clark. A bit of a gamble but worth it I think. |
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Post by iangreaves on Dec 1, 2008 14:04:17 GMT 1
And regards Bolton- Obviously given our recent histories ( last 35 years)and current situation Bolton are getting bigger gates than we are. But we ARE similar clubs in terms of size none-the-less. |
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Post by CaptainHart on Dec 1, 2008 14:05:20 GMT 1
My namesake took both us and them into top flight. Maybe there's something in the runes. And brought both, and Wolves back down. A singular achievement at the time. |
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Post by DuncanShearer on Dec 1, 2008 14:25:15 GMT 1
WHAT! forest double european cup winners. (back to back) english champions 1979 ipswich won the uefa cup. wednesday won the top flight 4 times. derby won the league twice in the 70's and got to the semi-final of the european cup leeds won the league in 1990, and (i hate to say it) in the CL semi in in this millennium. (they won the top flight as many times as us and have 1 FA cup like us) norwich population 132,000 ipswich population 121,000 watford population 80,000 huddersfield population 146,234 (this was taken in 2001, the other are last year [so it's probably more now]) where are you getting your stats from? Unfortunately, when we were the best team IN THE WORLD, european competition had not started so that rules out any european triumphs. So that leaves Forest with ONE championship win. Ipswich, one, poss two championship wins. Wednesday, ok I'll give you that one but how many times did they win it in a row? Derby, won the league twice, which is less than us. l**ds have NEVER won anything where there is not a serious doubt about the legality of it. And all big city clubs. Not wanting to get into an argument but discounting Forests two European cup wins just because there was no european competition when town were brilliant smacks of manipulating the facts to aid your argument. Its in the history books just like Towns 3 championships and is therefore relevant regardless of when it happened or what the footballing landscape was at the time. The truth lies somewhere in the middle I think, we have bags of potential to be a big club like we used to be. The fact of the matter is though that currently we are not a big club, the reasons for that have been pointed out in this thread already. We are where we are and for that reason any big name manager would only consider us based on his appetite for a challenge to get us where we should be - where that is is open to debate. Whilst many consider us to be a big club our standing in the english game is also commonly thought to be upper half of the championship these days. Anyone who seriously considers Town to be still a big club should have expectations not hopes of the premier league as nothing less would be acceptable for a truly big club IMO. |
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Post by thrice on Dec 1, 2008 14:38:21 GMT 1
One of the few things that Davy (yes he's still here  ) got right was failing miserably in his astute stated aim of making us a top 30 club. The top 30 is about right for us and is a reasonable expectation for a club like ourselves. Anything more and we will be punching above our weight just as many clubs are managing to do at this moment in time. |
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Post by jimmyjazzjazz on Dec 1, 2008 14:41:28 GMT 1
When Bolton came down to the thid and fourth division in the 80s Town got bigger crowds. Also if they had stayed here as long as us what would they be getting now? Similarly Blackburn before Jack Walker success could only get 7000.
That population of Ipswich and Norwich- they cant compare - there are no other clubs to compete with. Norfolk has one club, Suffolk has one club. They are so far apart from each other it wouldnt be classed as a derby anywhere else.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 14:41:49 GMT 1
Absolute rubbish. We're the GREATEST team in football, the world has ever seen. And any Town fan who disagrees is a closet bantam  That is in reply to Ducan Shearer |
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Post by 'Uddersfield on Dec 1, 2008 14:42:49 GMT 1
Wholeheartedly agree. However, if it isn't the big name that the deluded amongst us are hoping for, it'll be the same continual reaction as Ternent which is depressing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 15:39:17 GMT 1
WHAT! forest double european cup winners. (back to back) english champions 1979 ipswich won the uefa cup. wednesday won the top flight 4 times. derby won the league twice in the 70's and got to the semi-final of the european cup leeds won the league in 1990, and (i hate to say it) in the CL semi in in this millennium. (they won the top flight as many times as us and have 1 FA cup like us) norwich population 132,000 ipswich population 121,000 watford population 80,000 huddersfield population 146,234 (this was taken in 2001, the other are last year [so it's probably more now]) where are you getting your stats from? Unfortunately, when we were the best team IN THE WORLD, european competition had not started so that rules out any european triumphs. So that leaves Forest with ONE championship win. Ipswich, one, poss two championship wins. Wednesday, ok I'll give you that one but how many times did they win it in a row? Derby, won the league twice, which is less than us. l**ds have NEVER won anything where there is not a serious doubt about the legality of it. And all big city clubs. i'm taking that with a pinch of salt, i don't know how else i could look at it. town won the league 3 times in the 1920's. and you dismissed forest winning back to back european cups, the european super cup and 2 league cups (and then went on to win another 2= 4) the fa cup twice. do you know what you are saying? are you stupid? |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 1, 2008 16:39:04 GMT 1
You are starting to sound like a bantam now Ken. All TRUE Town fans know that Forest can only DREAM of being us !!  After all, we don't sing And it's Hudeersfield Town, Huddersfield Town FC, we're the GREATEST team in football, the world has ever seen, Apart from Forest, Derby, Norwich, Ipswich and the two Sheffield clubs !! |
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