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Post by Floyds on Dec 26, 2008 20:00:43 GMT 1
And the only positive thing about the day were the fans...who were quality - must have been more than 1000 up there today?
Apart from that though - smithies had a poor game, williams was awful, the centre backs looked weak, the midfield three were non existant and parker and roberts ineffective. We didnt battle, compete - and created one chance in the entire game which roberts somehow manage to head the wrong direction....
Think it may be a good thing though in the long run - Lee Clark will know he needs to ship alot out and bring alot in to get us promoted.
Carlisle were not even any good (as their league position suggests) and to get beaten so easily shows how bad we were.
Heyho - onwards and upwards....im off to get drunk ;D
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Post by accyterrier on Dec 26, 2008 20:06:06 GMT 1
floyds999, was williams getting out done for pace as usual? Th commentary on the radio sounded like he was getting skinned every time Carlisle came forward!
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Post by marshian on Dec 26, 2008 20:07:04 GMT 1
I've just got back and I totally endorse the above post. Very poor performance, we made Carlisle look good & fast.
Totally let the fans down today.
What a waste of a day.
I don't think I've ever seen such inadequate floodlighting at a match before.
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Post by Floyds on Dec 26, 2008 20:19:22 GMT 1
Williams just doesnt look like he knows what position he should be in - when to close down or track back, when to go with his man or hold his position.
He got caught for the first goal well out of position, they got a throw in / corner (cant remember) then smithies and the centre backs got in a right tangle and 1-0 down.
Yeah we were rubbish today - all over the pitch.
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Post by thrice on Dec 26, 2008 21:45:34 GMT 1
Williams was not done for pace particularly but he was done for appetite & desire time after time. He was not alone but he was certainly the worst of a bad bunch. I don't think this was lost on Clark who preferred to use Berrett at left back when we switched to 442.
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Post by kosi on Dec 26, 2008 22:58:26 GMT 1
I think clark will have learned a lot today. Never at the races, graham and bridges ran us ragged. Thought parker was a massive disappointment. He lost his rag plenty of times with his own players and offered nothing. I thought we had a bit of a coup signing him but on the evidence so far this season it aint been the case
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Post by Roger on Dec 26, 2008 23:14:04 GMT 1
absolutely sh*t!!! i was utterly  with town's display today. over 1000 travelling supporters urging them on and they couldnt be arsed to try! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2008 23:20:42 GMT 1
I think clark will have learned a lot today. Never at the races, graham and bridges ran us ragged. Thought parker was a massive disappointment. He lost his rag plenty of times with his own players and offered nothing. I thought we had a bit of a coup signing him but on the evidence so far this season it aint been the case Whats going on with Keigan? I thought he was brilliant against Leeds, looked like Stan leaving was just what he needed. Then he goes and gets sent off int' reserves. To be fair I thought he ran his lungs out against Hereford, and all for now't but surely thats what attacking players sometimes have to do. If Blackie can't fix him - nobody will. |
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Post by kosi on Dec 27, 2008 0:17:24 GMT 1
I just dont see parker being a goal machine. He runs and runs to be fair and puts it in. You just wonder whether him playing off a big boothy type figure could be the making of him though? I wouldnt give up on him just yet
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Post by kosi on Dec 27, 2008 0:19:46 GMT 1
they couldnt be arsed to try! cant agree with that. Lots of effort but very little quality IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 0:32:15 GMT 1
he needs to ship alot out and bring alot in to get us promoted. Hang on - these are the players that have got 18 points out of 24. We lose one game and we need to ship a lot out? That's what we did in the summer and that wasn't exactly succesful was it? We need one or two in tops. |
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Post by seaneyboy on Dec 27, 2008 1:00:15 GMT 1
No over reactions please, so we lost at Carlisle and we didn't turn up. We have two home games coming up.
Yes we do need to strengthen in a couple of areas but I am sure the management and team will get it sorted
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Post by terrier17 on Dec 27, 2008 1:26:05 GMT 1
KEEP THE FAITH!!!  |
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Post by pling on Dec 27, 2008 4:25:02 GMT 1
Lost the faith.
1-0 i could have handled, 3-0 is a fucking outrage.
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Post by kleverboy on Dec 27, 2008 8:40:00 GMT 1
Lost the faith.1-0 i could have handled, 3-0 is a fucking outrage. Extraordinary reaction... Rome wasn't built in a day! |
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Post by Tez on Dec 27, 2008 12:28:35 GMT 1
Lost the faith. 1-0 i could have handled, 3-0 is a fucking outrage. True fan eh Pling. I reckon it's understandable to feel that way after the game and maybe after a few pints. But come on man! Just won 5 out of the last 6 and this is our first defeat. I can see how we got our hopes up even mi sen (predicted a 2-1 Town win!!) but we have to realise that this is Town. We do everything the hard way if possible. The good times are on their way. Trust.  |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Dec 27, 2008 12:43:31 GMT 1
It was awful, cold could barely see a thing . best bit was some guys winding up the steward and the crime scene guy!
Lots of beers were drunk though..so not all bad!
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 27, 2008 13:01:19 GMT 1
Cmon fellas! 3-0 is really poor and we were crap on the day but 'outrage' and 'ship loads of them out' ??
So this teams only got 18 points out of the last 24 then! Disaster is that!
We had an off day. Front to back no one played well and some were noticably well below par. But its ONE game, lets not have the usual knee jerk 'this team is not good enough -FACT' bollocks just yet ,eh?
If we're sticking with 352 against Scunny (which I doubt) then id make 2 changes.
Cads in for Parker as he deserves it and was our most effective player yesterday despite only being on a few minutes.
Worthy in for Goodwin. Once again when we play a team that has lots of the ball and an attacking midfield Goodwin disappears and offers very little protection to the defence. Id imagine scunny will be the same so JW will be the better option IMO.
Think hell play 442 though.
Williams at left back which really worries me ( is Skarz back?) but we don't have anyone else.
No idea who the midfield 4 would be. Roberts plus 3 othes at a guess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2008 13:16:40 GMT 1
I'd play 4-5-1/4-3-3, with Berrett and Parker dropping out, Jevons and Cads coming in. Play Jevons down the center, with Cads and Roberts on either side of him. Stick with the same midfield 3, and play a flat back four.
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Post by pling on Dec 27, 2008 14:56:36 GMT 1
Captain
how many of those wins were based on good performances though?
luck, luck, luck which has run out now, is all it was.
Should sack williams on that performance.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 27, 2008 20:23:28 GMT 1
Overall poor - but not the worse Boxing Day game ever, anyone remember a one nil defeat to Hull at a freezing Boothferry Park when Sinnott and Duxbury made there debuts, we ended that season promoted via the play offs!
The big positive for me was Lee Clark who IMO made the correct subs (albeit 15 mins late), both Williams and Craney were abject. Williams is a bottler and a sulker (see the way he sulked off the pitch ultra slow when he got subbed - like a child, Killock tomorrow please) and Craney lacks the engine to either support the strikers or get back and defend, he offers little IMO (Clark's subbed him both games now so I expect he'll be dropped)
Anyway I'm still not down beat, and I still remain hugely impressed with Clark. Was in the stadium gym this avo and saw him on a running machine at about half four so I know he was working late (right hard working attitude) and I also went to watch training the other day and at the end he made the point of saying "good morning" and shaking the hands of everyone of the dozen or so spectators watching (can you imagine Ternent doing that, and he's total nowter compared to Clark in terms of football achievement and personal wealth, Clark seems a very genuine and approachable bloke) - the training btw looked very professional and organised (well it would be with Terry Mac and Faz!), I have real confidence in Clark
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Post by shawsie on Dec 27, 2008 20:54:09 GMT 1
Cmon fellas! 3-0 is really poor and we were crap on the day but 'outrage' and 'ship loads of them out' ?? So this teams only got 18 points out of the last 24 then! Disaster is that! We had an off day. Front to back no one played well and some were noticably well below par. But its ONE game, lets not have the usual knee jerk 'this team is not good enough -FACT' bollocks just yet ,eh? If we're sticking with 352 against Scunny (which I doubt) then id make 2 changes. Cads in for Parker as he deserves it and was our most effective player yesterday despite only being on a few minutes. Worthy in for Goodwin. Once again when we play a team that has lots of the ball and an attacking midfield Goodwin disappears and offers very little protection to the defence. Id imagine scunny will be the same so JW will be the better option IMO. Think hell play 442 though. Williams at left back which really worries me ( is Skarz back?) but we don't have anyone else. No idea who the midfield 4 would be. Roberts plus 3 othes at a guess. You say "this team isnt good enough - fact B#####ks". Well, capn we are one game away from halfway and only marginally better than we were this time last year and still a long way away from being good enough to win promotion. The league table shows we are as near the bottom 4 as the top 2 and it is not a knee jerk reaction to say we arent good enough. We havent been good enough during our recent run, and look at the sides we have beaten - walsall, hereford, brighton, leeds, southend, crewe. Only leeds are above us and they are still 7pts from play offs - that says something. We have played the 7 of the top 8 sides now and won 0, drawn 2 and lost 5!!! The new mgmt team need time to change alot of things in the club from top to bottom and we need to support them whilst they do it. |
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Post by Floyds on Dec 28, 2008 13:16:12 GMT 1
how can anyone say we dont need a big change around in players, and that we only need "one or two" is beyond me.
yes we had won 5 from 6...but what is that sequence following?
three and a half years of midtable, or worse, league positions - and countless other 3-0 defeats at places like carlisle.
"one or two needed"?
we shipped out a lot last summer and brought alot in and it failed - that doesnt prove anything except for that ternent didnt bring in the right players
the strategy he had was, IMO, the right one - how he contrived to sign 10 players, only one or two of which were any better than what we previously had - staggers me almost as much as those comments that we only need one or two players to get a squad that has consistently been 14-15th in the league up to a promotion chasing team.
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Post by Tez on Dec 28, 2008 13:20:06 GMT 1
Stan signed 10 midfielders more or less. He didn't address the major issue of a Left back/winger and striker.
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Post by Captainslapper on Dec 28, 2008 14:32:36 GMT 1
Its knee jerk because I don't remember you or anyone on here saying we weren't good enough after any of those wins. Now weve lost one game we're apparently not good enough???
The only reason we are where we are in the table is because of the previous manager. If wed sacked the useless get a month earlier wed be in the top 6 now ( or if hed signed the decent striker we need)
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Post by Floyds on Dec 28, 2008 14:42:13 GMT 1
It isnt knee jerk at all - how long do you reckon i have been saying these players are not good enough captain? 2 or 3 years at least i reckon.
We won 5 from 6, does that suddenly mask the decline since Pav stopped scoring in 2005?
We have been consistently poor since then - last season we were in the bottom half all year until the final game and the year before we finished 14th or 15th.
To win 5 from 6 against teams (with the exception of Leeds) below us and by the odd goal, following a change of manager (when results usually pick up) does not make the players good enough to mount a promotion challenge consistently over a season.
You cant blane all everything (plus the decline from the 05/06 season) on Jackson, Ritchie and Ternent - at some stage the players must take responsibility - surely?
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Post by CaptainHart on Dec 28, 2008 15:11:20 GMT 1
We won 5 from 6, does that suddenly mask the decline since Pav stopped scoring in 2005? You cant blane all everything (plus the decline from the 05/06 season) on Jackson, Ritchie and Ternent - at some stage the players must take responsibility - surely? I think you've answered your own question. The absence of a 20+ goal striker turned us from top four to mid-table. |
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Post by northwick on Dec 28, 2008 15:23:33 GMT 1
Overall poor - but not the worse Boxing Day game ever, anyone remember a one nil defeat to Hull at a freezing Boothferry Park when Sinnott and Duxbury made there debuts, we ended that season promoted via the play offs! Yes, I can. Iain Dunn got hacked down in their box and the ref didn't give it. It was absolutely freezing. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 28, 2008 19:44:48 GMT 1
Its knee jerk because I don't remember you or anyone on here saying we weren't good enough after any of those wins. Now weve lost one game we're apparently not good enough??? The only reason we are where we are in the table is because of the previous manager. If wed sacked the useless get a month earlier wed be in the top 6 now ( or if hed signed the decent striker we need) Capn - some of us have said for years we arent good enough!! On our day (like today) we can match any of the top sides in this league, but too often it is win one lose one which sees us finish mid table. Maybe, as clarky has mentioned tonight it is a lack of belief and he and his team can instil this on a regular basis to move forward, but 3 years of relative mediocrity doesnt lie. |
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