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Post by jim100 on Dec 27, 2008 12:41:38 GMT 1
Does my head in to be honest  What happens if we go on to lose the next two, three, four games? Do we as fans, start calling for the managers head? TBH this could happen, Carlisle only emphasises what most of us already know, our squad is woefully inadequate to get us promoted.We were crap against Hereford for long periods and got away with it. Yes we have a squad that is lower league 1 standard and we wong get relagated, but iin Collins, Clarke etc it is the usual suspects that let us down time again! Clark now knows what a massive job he has, but with the quality management team i think he will get it right. But he needs time, and this may mean things get worse before they get better, because he really needs to revamp the whole squad. Anyway Rant over! Merry Christmas everyone  |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Dec 27, 2008 12:48:51 GMT 1
Probably best we had a performance like that in the long run. Clark has know seen the best and worst that we have to offer , and this can be rectified in the transfer window!
And why you've decided to single out Clarke once again is beyond me. He's been IMO our best player this season. Quite ironically this is an overreaction!
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Post by jim100 on Dec 27, 2008 12:56:58 GMT 1
Probably best we had a performance like that in the long run. Clark has know seen the best and worst that we have to offer , and this can be rectified in the transfer window! And why you've decided to single out Clarke once again is beyond me. He's been IMO our best player this season. Quite ironically this is an overreaction! 'IMO our best player this season'. Let me explain myself: . I have singled out Clarke because he represents a core of players we have had since we got promoted from division 4 that have failed to push us onto the next level. I would include Worthington & Collins in this aswell. Others have come and gone, but these have been consitant in there inconsistancy. I dont think it is all there fault, they have been the victim of poor coaching since Yorath left and i dont think they are salvagable. I am hoping that with the excellent management team, the likes of Berrett and Broadbent and a rejuvinated Holdsworth will become the new core of our team but this is going to take time and overreacting like yesterday is not healthy. WE could well lose tommorow as Scunny are a excellent side (no doubt marshalled by a rejuvinated Mirfin at the back), what then? Is it time for yet more changes |
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Post by jimmymac1964 on Dec 27, 2008 12:58:18 GMT 1
Does my head in to be honest What happens if we go on to lose the next two, three, four games? Do we as fans, start calling for the managers head? TBH this could happen, Carlisle only emphasises what most of us already know, our squad is woefully inadequate to get us promoted.We were crap against Hereford for long periods and got away with it. Yes we have a squad that is lower league 1 standard and we wong get relagated, but iin Collins, Clarke etc it is the usual suspects that let us down time again! Clark now knows what a massive job he has, but with the quality management team i think he will get it right. But he needs time, and this may mean things get worse before they get better, because he really needs to revamp the whole squad. Anyway Rant over! Merry Christmas everyone WHO,S calling for the managers head?what we are saying is the last 2 performances are no where near as good prior to the last 2!its plain for everyone to see.and like you say we got away with it against herford but not yesterday...no-body in the right mind would call for his head after 2 games but it isn,t pretty is it... |
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Post by Tez on Dec 27, 2008 13:00:46 GMT 1
WE could well lose tommorow as Scunny are a excellent side (no doubt marshalled by a rejuvinated Mirfin at the back), what then? Is it time for yet more changes We could do. And against Oldham the week after.  The thing to grasp and realise is that the transfer window aint far away. Changes will be made during that to add some strength and depth to the squad. This seasom IMO has been ruined by ST...if we can get owt out of it it would be a 'great escape.' |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Dec 27, 2008 13:20:18 GMT 1
Does my head in to be honest What happens if we go on to lose the next two, three, four games? Do we as fans, start calling for the managers head? TBH this could happen, Carlisle only emphasises what most of us already know, our squad is woefully inadequate to get us promoted.We were crap against Hereford for long periods and got away with it. Yes we have a squad that is lower league 1 standard and we wong get relagated, but iin Collins, Clarke etc it is the usual suspects that let us down time again! Clark now knows what a massive job he has, but with the quality management team i think he will get it right. But he needs time, and this may mean things get worse before they get better, because he really needs to revamp the whole squad. Anyway Rant over! Merry Christmas everyone WHO,S calling for the managers head?what we are saying is the last 2 performances are no where near as good prior to the last 2!its plain for everyone to see.and like you say we got away with it against herford but not yesterday...no-body in the right mind would call for his head after 2 games but it isn,t pretty is it... Sometimes it isnt pretty Jimmy, what would you rather do??? Play pretty and risk droppin points or get down to business to get us three points, my point been is it does not matter how we, lets face it any football is entertaining when your team are getting the results. Sometimes you have got to grind results out, some teams in this division are not pretty in terms of style of play etc... but they get results |
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Post by Chris461 on Dec 27, 2008 14:41:58 GMT 1
There's always an overreaction on this board. It's pretty funny.
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Post by timrankhan on Dec 27, 2008 14:45:18 GMT 1
Probably best we had a performance like that in the long run. Clark has know seen the best and worst that we have to offer , and this can be rectified in the transfer window! And why you've decided to single out Clarke once again is beyond me. He's been IMO our best player this season. Quite ironically this is an overreaction! Does the general ill feeling toward clarke perhaps stem from him getting injured at a time when a lot of big clubs were enquring about him? He still is on of the few players who could reasonably step up a division and llok comfortable. IMO he is one of if not the best footballers at the club |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 27, 2008 14:53:58 GMT 1
can we get Scott McDonald back .... what a goal v Rangers on setanta !!
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Post by timrankhan on Dec 27, 2008 15:02:05 GMT 1
He always looks a real threat for Celtic..p1ss poor for Town. Marginally better than Bevan was tho!
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Post by hueypnewton on Dec 27, 2008 15:14:34 GMT 1
I think the point made about players just not kicking onto the next level is spot on. Much as I admire home-grown players like Worthington, Collins, Clarke....these players just won't get us into the Championship. Sad but true. If we want to get into that division, then we need players of that calibre, and sadly, the academy isnt providing them. An example is, where are the hot-shot (but raw) strikers from the reserves to come off the bench and inject some excitement in the final 10 mins? Young players bursting through the ranks to demand a place in the first team?
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Post by dewsburyblue on Dec 27, 2008 15:49:39 GMT 1
I am hoping that with the excellent management team, the likes of Berrett and Broadbent and a rejuvinated Holdsworth will become the new core of our team but this is going to take time and overreacting like yesterday is not healthy. Rejuvinated Holdsworth  ? to me he was one of the worst players out of a bad bunch yesterday running about like an headless chicken . No where near the player we know he can be or is he going in jan and has no heart in it anymore ? ITS POINTLESS singling out single players it was a terrible team performance yesterday end of , lets hope we can get a bit of pride back against scunny , i am going for a 2-1 to Town score . |
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Post by specialun on Dec 27, 2008 17:08:07 GMT 1
I am hoping that with the excellent management team, the likes of Berrett and Broadbent and a rejuvinated Holdsworth will become the new core of our team but this is going to take time and overreacting like yesterday is not healthy. Rejuvinated Holdsworth ? to me he was one of the worst players out of a bad bunch yesterday running about like an headless chicken . No where near the player we know he can be or is he going in jan and has no heart in it anymore ? ITS POINTLESS singling out single players it was a terrible team performance yesterday end of , lets hope we can get a bit of pride back against scunny , i am going for a 2-1 to Town score . No heart in it?!?!  Have you seen him celebrate in the last few games. On the theme of the thread, complete overreaction - agreed. We've had Drop smithies (after 1 mistake) Get rid of 352 (despite 5 wins in 7 playing 352 and 15 points from 7, 4 clean sheets in 7 v 17 points from 15 not playing it) Question marks over clark Singling out clarke And now a suggestion holdsworth who hasn't got any heart any more! And the fan's favourite on here, robbie williams, who gets criticised even when he's man of the match, seems to have escaped the wrath after a mare! Goodness me, is it too much turkey or did everyone get last year's dvd for christmas and driven into depression?!?!?!? Cheer up! |
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 27, 2008 17:57:41 GMT 1
Holdsworth has been poor this season but you can't usually comment on his application. Can't comment on yesterday as I didn't go - the latest young terrier doesn't seem to be wanting to make an appearance yet. It can wait till after the game tomorrow now!
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Post by hughphamism on Dec 27, 2008 17:59:32 GMT 1
I am hoping that with the excellent management team, the likes of Berrett and Broadbent and a rejuvinated Holdsworth will become the new core of our team but this is going to take time and overreacting like yesterday is not healthy. Rejuvinated Holdsworth ? to me he was one of the worst players out of a bad bunch yesterday running about like an headless chicken . No where near the player we know he can be or is he going in jan and has no heart in it anymore ? ITS POINTLESS singling out single players it was a terrible team performance yesterday end of , lets hope we can get a bit of pride back against scunny , i am going for a 2-1 to Town score . No heart in it?!?! Have you seen him celebrate in the last few games. On the theme of the thread, complete overreaction - agreed. We've had Drop smithies (after 1 mistake) Get rid of 352 (despite 5 wins in 7 playing 352 and 15 points from 7, 4 clean sheets in 7 v 17 points from 15 not playing it) Question marks over clark Singling out clarke And now a suggestion holdsworth who hasn't got any heart any more! And the fan's favourite on here, robbie williams, who gets criticised even when he's man of the match, seems to have escaped the wrath after a mare! Goodness me, is it too much turkey or did everyone get last year's dvd for christmas and driven into depression?!?!?!? Cheer up! Didn't you feel there was on over-reaction to the Hereford result as well? Re Williams - there was a thread wanting him to be subbed at half time from those listening to the radio commentary! |
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Dec 27, 2008 19:47:25 GMT 1
No heart in it?!?! Have you seen him celebrate in the last few games. On the theme of the thread, complete overreaction - agreed. We've had Drop smithies (after 1 mistake) Get rid of 352 (despite 5 wins in 7 playing 352 and 15 points from 7, 4 clean sheets in 7 v 17 points from 15 not playing it) Question marks over clark Singling out clarke And now a suggestion holdsworth who hasn't got any heart any more! And the fan's favourite on here, robbie williams, who gets criticised even when he's man of the match, seems to have escaped the wrath after a mare! Goodness me, is it too much turkey or did everyone get last year's dvd for christmas and driven into depression?!?!?!? Cheer up! Didn't you feel there was on over-reaction to the Hereford result as well? Re Williams - there was a thread wanting him to be subbed at half time from those listening to the radio commentary! IMO - Williams in the first half of the Hereford game showed some good play in very very small patches, We did seem however very weak down that side and the Majority of there play was coming down the left hand side. The second half he got worse IMO - this was probably due to him tiring (lack of fitness) as ainsworth was having a absolute field day. I think Williams will find it very hard to play the style of football Clark wants as at the moment I think he is way below anyone else in terms of fitness. I elieve if we give Clark and the Team 4 months or so we should be able to maintain the sort of football we was producing in the first half against Hereford for a full 90 minutes. Although we should not hide from the fact that we need 1 prolific striker with a bit of presence about him (Lambert - BR) And I wluld certainly see about A left back and dependant on where Robbo is going to play I would say we need a winger such as ainsworth. I think we are overun with Centeral Midfielders and would not be suprised to see some leave, Alhtough I do think Flynn might be the kind of players Clark likes in a midfielder. If I could pick a team at the moment from the squadwe currently have this would be it. Glennon - Gk Skarz - LB (Out injured at min) Holdsworth - Rb Butler - CD ClarkeN - CD Roberts - RW Parker - LW Goodwin - CM Craney - CM Cadermateri - ST Jevons - ST Subs Smithies - Gk Cover (Keeps Glennon on his toes Flynn - CM Option Or attacking Mid if changin shape Lucketti - Gives Experience if needed Booth (out Injured) - Speak for Hiself Berrett - Gives Us A few Options I would just like to jusitfy or try lol for me leaving collins out. I don't know if anyone has noticed but there is only one man who can get collins going and that Gm, I believe in time he will drop off again, I don't think Collins wants to fight for a shirt. I personally dont think collins is a fighter I think if left out is someone who gets the sulk on and spits the dummy out instead of knucling down and proving his worth. Just My opinion like nothing to say i am right |
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Post by Tez on Dec 27, 2008 19:50:36 GMT 1
Put Cads on the wing for me. Much better threat cutting in from the touchline.
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Post by NookTerrier on Dec 27, 2008 19:55:44 GMT 1
I think we need a different captain, as I don't think holdsworth plays that role of a leader well enough.
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Dec 27, 2008 20:00:18 GMT 1
Put Cads on the wing for me. Much better threat cutting in from the touchline. I was just thinking cads has more of the physical presence we are missing up front at the min. Parker - Imo would be much better tracking back and getting forward etc..... |
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Dec 27, 2008 20:01:03 GMT 1
No heart in it?!?! Have you seen him celebrate in the last few games.
On the theme of the thread, complete overreaction - agreed.
We've had
Drop smithies (after 1 mistake)
Get rid of 352 (despite 5 wins in 7 playing 352 and 15 points from 7, 4 clean sheets in 7 v 17 points from 15 not playing it)
Question marks over clark
Singling out clarke
And now a suggestion holdsworth who hasn't got any heart any more!
And the fan's favourite on here, robbie williams, who gets criticised even when he's man of the match, seems to have escaped the wrath after a mare!
Goodness me, is it too much turkey or did everyone get last year's dvd for christmas and driven into depression?!?!?!? Cheer up!
well said mate i dont know what some people want i told me dad xmas day we would lose at carlisle and go on to beat scunny and oldham i just had a feeling we wouldnt beat them we never do, i think were all in agreement that this current bunch of players arnt going to get us promoted and thats for clark to try and sort out in january or in the summer lets give him chance
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Post by shawsie on Dec 27, 2008 20:07:01 GMT 1
I think we need a different captain, as I don't think holdsworth plays that role of a leader well enough. There isnt a natural leader in the club other than lucketti, and he hasnt been good enough to cement a place in the team!!! |
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Post by dewsburyblue on Dec 27, 2008 20:07:48 GMT 1
specialun we know holdsworths heart is for town but over the last few games i dont think it has been 100% , but my point is that instead of singling out individuals we should be looking at all the players , it just riles me when other players have bad games but it is overlooked because the usual suspects are getting the same old s*** . lets stop the persecution of players and look on the more positive side FFS 15 points out of 21 is pretty good to me . Anyway i am still pleased with the last few weeks so lets show our support tomorrow and be the 12th man against a good scunthorpe side .
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Post by dxterrier on Dec 27, 2008 20:14:29 GMT 1
Does my head in to be honest What happens if we go on to lose the next two, three, four games? Do we as fans, start calling for the managers head? TBH this could happen, Carlisle only emphasises what most of us already know, our squad is woefully inadequate to get us promoted.We were crap against Hereford for long periods and got away with it. Yes we have a squad that is lower league 1 standard and we wong get relagated, but iin Collins, Clarke etc it is the usual suspects that let us down time again! Clark now knows what a massive job he has, but with the quality management team i think he will get it right. But he needs time, and this may mean things get worse before they get better, because he really needs to revamp the whole squad. Anyway Rant over! Merry Christmas everyone we want clark out say we want clark out. stanley ternents blue and white army ;D ;D ;D  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2008 0:27:02 GMT 1
Probably best we had a performance like that in the long run. Clark has know seen the best and worst that we have to offer , and this can be rectified in the transfer window! And why you've decided to single out Clarke once again is beyond me. He's been IMO our best player this season. Quite ironically this is an overreaction! 'IMO our best player this season'. Let me explain myself: . I have singled out Clarke because he represents a core of players we have had since we got promoted from division 4 that have failed to push us onto the next level. I would include Worthington & Collins in this aswell. Others have come and gone, but these have been consitant in there inconsistancy. I dont think it is all there fault, they have been the victim of poor coaching since Yorath left and i dont think they are salvagable. I am hoping that with the excellent management team, the likes of Berrett and Broadbent and a rejuvinated Holdsworth will become the new core of our team but this is going to take time and overreacting like yesterday is not healthy. WE could well lose tommorow as Scunny are a excellent side (no doubt marshalled by a rejuvinated Mirfin at the back), what then? Is it time for yet more changes Clarke is one of our best players, perhaps it's the utter gash he's had to put up with alongside him as to why we've not progressed? He's had competition and partnerships from Tom Clarke, John McCombe, David Mirfin, Frank Sinclair, Efe Sodje, Martin McIntosh, Chris Lucketti, Andy Butler et al and has proven to be far better than any of them - in here lies the problem of trying to get a suitable centre back to play alongside one of our best players IMO. Singling out Clarke instead of a lack of quality alongside him is negatively blinkered in my view... |
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Post by andyhudd on Dec 28, 2008 1:10:45 GMT 1
Rob Page alongside Clarke was just brilliant ... shame it was so short-lived. The one partnership he really settled into.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 28, 2008 12:09:59 GMT 1
Page just wanted to go somewhere near to his home, hes been rubbish this season apparently !!
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Have you seen him celebrate in the last few games.
