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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Dec 29, 2008 2:07:37 GMT 1
It is very easy to criticise officials from a seat in the stands. Several points come to mind. Unless you are exactly level with the second last defender at the time you are in no position to say the assistant referee is wrong. Strictly judgment calls are exactly that, judgment calls. Also bear in mind that the officials are much closer to the action than you are. Another point unless you have "walked in their moccasins " you cannot understand the pressures on the officials. Instant replays may show them to have been wrong, but bear in mind they do not have the benefit of such technology. Rather than blame the officials why not do what many sports now do, stop the game, have the referee review the incident on the TV or monitor then give the decision. I very much doubt that any referee gives a deliberately wrong decision (unless he is bent). I remember a league referee talking to the Huddersfield RA members, many years ago. He told of an incident with Len Shackleton. Len did not like a decision the ref made and on his way past him he said "That was a bloody awful decision ref". The ref being wise, let the matter drop but later Len missed a sitter and to this the ref said "That was a bloody awful shot Shackleton!" He had no further trouble in that game.
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Post by stevvy on Dec 29, 2008 2:34:39 GMT 1
the problem is they get even the most basic of decisions wrong (the scunny ref did) 1 example being in the........2nd half i think it was,williams (if memory serves it was him anyway) was so blatantly shoved in the back it was untrue-i was god knows how many yards away and saw it,the ref was barely 10 yards away,yet didnt give it-why,no idea (except he was bloody useless) but it was so blatant it was just farcical that the ref didnt give it-i may have been further away,but a shove is a shove,and it was a clear clear shove that anyone with eyes that worked,would spot,n give us a freekick for
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Dec 29, 2008 2:41:27 GMT 1
The problem with the video reffing David is, how do you employ it and where do you draw the line? Does it only work for goals? How do you decide what kind of decision is important enough to be ruled by the video? How long will the stoppage be? It poses a lot of very difficult questions. Personally, I really liked the microchip/hawk eye trial they did last season, that they have no ditched completely for no apparent reason  As for the ref being bent, I don't know what sexuality has to do with this argument ;D |
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Post by andyhudd on Dec 29, 2008 3:00:49 GMT 1
I'm dead against technology of any sort ... I'm happy with the controversy, excitement and tradition.  |
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Post by marshterrier on Dec 29, 2008 3:04:43 GMT 1
No to technology. Referees make mistakes, it's all part of the game and has been since the league started in  . Referees, IMO, don't make as many mistakes as players and managers though. |
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Post by andyhudd on Dec 29, 2008 3:23:12 GMT 1
Also, football should be kept so that all the equipment used in the professional game is cheaply and easily available to those who play for fun.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Dec 29, 2008 4:24:49 GMT 1
Also, football should be kept so that all the equipment used in the professional game is cheaply and easily available to those who play for fun. Me and my mates play a in 25,000 seater stadium when we have a kick about ;D |
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Dec 29, 2008 8:20:13 GMT 1
i dont think the officials yesterday were rubbish i just think they were a set of cheats and someone had some money on something
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Post by jimmyjazzjazz on Dec 29, 2008 10:37:59 GMT 1
In half the close offside decisions the linesman is guessing. That clown on the kilner side had decided to put his flag up for every marginal - ususally about ten seconds late - he had no idea.
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Post by scottieterrier on Dec 29, 2008 11:58:22 GMT 1
Technology won't be brought in because the big clubs don't want it and it's them that rule football.
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Dec 29, 2008 12:46:48 GMT 1
It is very easy to criticise officials from a seat in the stands. Several points come to mind. Unless you are exactly level with the second last defender at the time you are in no position to say the assistant referee is wrong. Strictly judgment calls are exactly that, judgment calls. Also bear in mind that the officials are much closer to the action than you are. Another point unless you have "walked in their moccasins " you cannot understand the pressures on the officials. Instant replays may show them to have been wrong, but bear in mind they do not have the benefit of such technology. Rather than blame the officials why not do what many sports now do, stop the game, have the referee review the incident on the TV or monitor then give the decision. I very much doubt that any referee gives a deliberately wrong decision (unless he is bent). I remember a league referee talking to the Huddersfield RA members, many years ago. He told of an incident with Len Shackleton. Len did not like a decision the ref made and on his way past him he said "That was a bloody awful decision ref". The ref being wise, let the matter drop but later Len missed a sitter and to this the ref said "That was a bloody awful shot Shackleton!" He had no further trouble in that game. David we accept that some decisions will not go our way or be what they think we are. When the whole of the ball crosses the touchline a throw in should be awarded IMO this didn't happen on two ocassions on the Direct Golf Side. As for the offsides I am not sure when a opposing player passes the ball back to his keeper how the town player can be called offside  I am sure the rules dictate otherwise - imo the aforementioned is not a judgement call it's plan for all to see. IMO the linesmen failed to apply the applications of the law on more than 5 occassions. On the Referee I thought he was consistantly inconsistent, it was a case of he would give it if he wanted to, he was totally unpredictable. IMO - the ref was always looking to book smithies, notice how he didnt run into the middle of the field as he was doing it was obvious to see. When it was 0 - 0 in the first half the ref was amadent on where the ball had gone out and where the throw should be taken from. At 1 - 0 the ref started to emphasize on the time been taken - however at 0 - 0 the same time was been taken to take throwings and goal kicks. The referee failed to deal with a number of incidents. such as our final goal - he played advantage (well done ref) what should have then happened he should have then approached the player who brought cads down and at least issued a yellow card - I say a yellow due to the fact the advantage payd off so it cannot be really classed as DOGSO ...... |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Dec 29, 2008 13:08:11 GMT 1
In half the close offside decisions the linesman is guessing. That clown on the kilner side had decided to put his flag up for every marginal - ususally about ten seconds late - he had no idea. I'm not sure there were any 'marginals'. Parker was off-side time and time again. To be fair to the linesman, he has to wait untill any player who is off-side makes a move for the ball before he can raise his flag. I don't think yesterdays officials got too much wrong. |
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Post by andyhudd on Dec 29, 2008 13:52:52 GMT 1
Also, football should be kept so that all the equipment used in the professional game is cheaply and easily available to those who play for fun. Me and my mates play a in 25,000 seater stadium when we have a kick about ;D ;D Do you get booed? |
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Post by specialun on Dec 29, 2008 14:34:38 GMT 1
In half the close offside decisions the linesman is guessing. That clown on the kilner side had decided to put his flag up for every marginal - ususally about ten seconds late - he had no idea. I'm not sure there were any 'marginals'. Parker was off-side time and time again. To be fair to the linesman, he has to wait untill any player who is off-side makes a move for the ball before he can raise his flag. I don't think yesterdays officials got too much wrong. There were 2 offsides he gave in the first half when he was clearly level and in fact behind the defender on one occasion. Parker infuriates me with his offsides but the liner had a stinker. They didn't get much wrong except half the offsides, the goal disallowed, the calamatous dive by half way, the pushes in the back, the elbows and giving scunthorpe a freekick every time they asked for one...giving 14 fouls against town and just 5 against scunthorpe begs a couple of questions alone! |
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Dec 29, 2008 14:38:08 GMT 1
Me and my mates play a in 25,000 seater stadium when we have a kick about ;D ;D Do you get booed? Judging on our quality, we definitely should do  |
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. Referees, IMO, don't make as many mistakes as players and managers though.
I am sure the rules dictate otherwise - imo the aforementioned is not a judgement call it's plan for all to see.