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Post by Terrier9 on Jan 1, 2009 23:55:07 GMT 1
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Post by thebluearmchair on Jan 1, 2009 23:57:22 GMT 1
Got a red card and never got his place back.... I still think he will have a part to play this season and next (not sure all on here agree though)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 0:08:21 GMT 1
Way too slow. We wasted massive wages on him when we could have got someone like Krystian Pearce on a season long loan who will be on an 8th of what Lucketti is. Thats the black lad who was at the back for scunny on sunday and had parker and jevons in his back pocket
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Post by HD8 Blue & White on Jan 2, 2009 9:09:16 GMT 1
Way too slow. We wasted massive wages on him when we could have got someone like Krystian Pearce on a season long loan who will be on an 8th of what Lucketti is. Thats the black lad who was at the back for scunny on sunday and had parker and jevons in his back pocket But lets be totally honest here, I could mark Jevons out of a game, cos he's just not up for a bit of a battle. Parkers got bags of pace and ability, but as a defender you would just stand on him and rough him up a bit and he will always drift out wide.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 9:55:00 GMT 1
A lot of people have decided Lucketti is never going to play for us again, but he may well get his chance. He may well be re-invigorated under the new management team. Bit of experience may be just what is required in some games this season, particularly if the pressure of a play off berth starts to become a factor.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 10:07:29 GMT 1
I hope you're wrong about us not bringing anyone in until late january for once we ned to move early. We are playing well at the moment but our lack of a natural scorer will sooner or later cost us! If we bring in a quality striker quickly we have a good chance of the play offs if we don't then we will struggle.
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 2, 2009 10:07:57 GMT 1
I agree he could prove useful yet. Don't have much other back-up at centre of defence, and although Nathan has been much better this season he is still very weak. He's easily knocked off the ball, as he was last week by Scunny's centre forward. I think the manager will need to recruit at centre half in the close season.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 10:10:11 GMT 1
I think many of us took it as a given that we would see a decent striker being signed in first week of january but not looking like it, as saying players must leave first. Hopefully our form continues with the players we have !
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Post by terrierng on Jan 2, 2009 11:38:12 GMT 1
again hind sight most on here were over the moon when lucketti signed ,i was and after the sheff u friendly you wouldnt get a word said against unsworth,people were moaning that we hadnt got him signed early enough!!it hasnt gone to plan but i still think luckettti will play a part,unswoth too,if clarke or butler got suspended/injured he will come straight in,what if he plays well?slower than what he was but his experiance is second to none,maybe he will flourish under clark,will people still want rid then?too much jumping on the lucketti/unsworth out bandwagon,i still think they are needed for cover,if someone was to leave a couple of midfielders wouldnt be missed,we would still have plenty of cover there,some posters have short memories re.lucketti/unsworth cant remember many not wanting them at the time,not first teamers but good back up,which we will need at some stage this season.
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Post by therealyogibear on Jan 2, 2009 12:01:32 GMT 1
again hind sight most on here were over the moon when lucketti signed ,i was and after the sheff u friendly you wouldnt get a word said against unsworth,people were moaning that we hadnt got him signed early enough!!it hasnt gone to plan but i still think luckettti will play a part,unswoth too,if clarke or butler got suspended/injured he will come straight in,what if he plays well?slower than what he was but his experiance is second to none,maybe he will flourish under clark,will people still want rid then?too much jumping on the lucketti/unsworth out bandwagon,i still think they are needed for cover,if someone was to leave a couple of midfielders wouldnt be missed,we would still have plenty of cover there,some posters have short memories re.lucketti/unsworth cant remember many not wanting them at the time,not first teamers but good back up,which we will need at some stage this season. Agreed, I wish people would have a bit of patience. Lucketti was awesome in the CHAMPIONSHIP last season so should be fine. I've posted my thoughts on Unsworth on here before. The criticism he got at Cheltenham was disgusting and anyone with a football brain would realise he actually had a very good second half in that game. These 2 guys I would imagine will play a part in the run in. GIVE THEM A BREAK
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 12:08:08 GMT 1
I have to say that I thought Unsworth's awareness and class was obvious in the early games. Trouble is, it was also obvious that he's fat and slow, but hey ho. Still a good player IMO.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 12:11:16 GMT 1
Imo He was absolutely appalling when ive seen all his games for us, totally past it for division one and probably div 2..... Stans worst signing by far.
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Post by Rambo on Jan 2, 2009 12:12:58 GMT 1
One thing I love is a vast majority on here saying we need a quality goalscorer!!! Where exactly do we go and get them from? If there's a quality goal machine out there who is contracted to a club, do we really think that said club would let them go for next to nowt.
Interestingly.......... Phil Jevons' Stats.
Years Club App (Gls)* 1996-2001 Everton 08 (0) 2001-2004 Grimsby Town 63 (18) 2002-2003 Hull City (loan) 24 (3) 2004-2006 Yeovil Town 84 (42) 2006-2008 Bristol City 43 (11) 2007-2008 Huddersfield Town (loan) 08 (2) 2008- Huddersfield Town 26 (5)
Remember Akpo Sodje banging in the goals in the reserves but not given a look in by Jacko? He departs, everntually signs for Wednesday and scores for fun.
Sometimes we don't need to look elsewhere, just give someone who we already have a chance. I'm glad Jevons is back in the side and hopefully he'll regain his confidence and begin to do the business for us rather than against us. Anyone else remember when he tore us apart playing for Yeovil. The lad is quality..IMO.
Keep him in the side Clarky!
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Post by terrierng on Jan 2, 2009 12:16:25 GMT 1
Imo He was absolutely appalling when ive seen all his games for us, totally past it for division one and probably div 2..... Stans worst signing by far. did you think he was apalling in the sheff u or arsenal game??i cant remember anyone slagging him then,if you thought he was bad in those games you must have very high standards for this level of football,not been as good since but thats hindsight,i still reckon both will play a big part this season unless they are sold,if they are they need to be replaced,especially lucketti,its okay wanting them out but we have NO proper cover.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 12:18:05 GMT 1
7 in 32 isn't really enough though and some fans are not impressed with any of his overall game.
I know what you mean about Akpo. I think I only saw about 15 minutes worth of him from the bench but that was enough to release him for some reason!
I think a team that is going to go up needs either a 20+ striker or 2 who will get a half decent goal haul... we have 1 goal between all of our strikers combined (excluding Roberts the winger).
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2009 12:18:17 GMT 1
Its all very well going on about Luckettis 'experience' being something we might need, but I saw scant evidence of this experience when he did play earlier in the season. Where was the organisational skills? We were regularly all over the place at the back. Where was the calm head? Lucketti more than anyone was totally panic stricken whenever he had the ball at his feet, usually thrashing at it wildly in any direction. Where was his experience when he decided to get sent off saving that all important 5th goal at Peterborough? He may have been good for Southampton last season, but unfortunately for us he's been utter bobbins. No sign of any leadership, organisation, and his general play was very poor. Tom Clarke is a better option should Nathan or Butler be out. All hindsight cos I was also in the majority that thought hed be a good signing. Now we're stuck with him for another 18 months, on money we could use to bring in THREE actually usefull players on.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 12:18:54 GMT 1
The Arsenal game was a show game, Utd a cup game....you have an interesting opinion , maybe he will get the odd game but personally cant see it !
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Post by terrierng on Jan 2, 2009 12:25:19 GMT 1
Its all very well going on about Luckettis 'experience' being something we might need, but I saw scant evidence of this experience when he did play earlier in the season. Where was the organisational skills? We were regularly all over the place at the back. Where was the calm head? Lucketti more than anyone was totally panic stricken whenever he had the ball at his feet, usually thrashing at it wildly in any direction. Where was his experience when he decided to get sent off saving that all important 5th goal at Peterborough? He may have been good for Southampton last season, but unfortunately for us he's been utter bobbins. No sign of any leadership, organisation, and his general play was very poor. Tom Clarke is a better option should Nathan or Butler be out. All hindsight cos I was also in the majority that thought hed be a good signing. Now we're stuck with him for another 18 months, on money we could use to bring in THREE actually usefull players on. good points and nice to see you thought he would be a good signing at the time,and nick they were slow games but unsworth still looked class,im not pro these two as such and think both have underachieved to say the least,but tom clark is still likely to break down with an injury,we are unlikley to get a cb with four here without one leaving,cant see many takers for any,i think as cover they could do a short term job.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 12:28:19 GMT 1
If Nathan or Andy Butler get injured I wouldnt be majorly concerned if one of them had to fill in for a few games. I would also like to see Tom get a go at left back as im still not convinced by Let me entertain you.
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Post by Rambo on Jan 2, 2009 12:28:40 GMT 1
One thing I forgot to mention was that the goals column was for league goals only and no cup games so if you look at his stats for Yeovil, where he had a goal every two games ratio, that's not to be sniffed at one iota.
I say give the lad a chance. I know there are plenty of Jevons bashers out there. I'm not one and the 1 goal from all strikers is not strictly true. Boothy has 2 and parker has 1. I know it's not enough and I'm being pedantic there, but the question is..where do we get a 20+ a season goalscorer without spending big?
We could take a risk with this Cody McDonald who's scored 15 in 14 starts or something. What's to say he's going to do it at our level. It's all about risks. Clark being appointed. Risk, as it's his first managerial post. Buying this McDonald. Risk. Unproven at our level. Playing Jevons. Risk. He's yet to find the net this season albeit he's in and out of the team.
Who knows?? Anyway. Happy New Year All and let's get behind the lads on Saturday...UTT
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Post by therealyogibear on Jan 2, 2009 12:29:18 GMT 1
On the face of it, we haven't got value for money from either of these players YET.
As someone posted earlier hindsight is a wondeful thing and no one was complaining when they signed.
The thing that annoys me the most about HTFC fans is that it seems when a player has a bad spell they seem to be treated dispicably at times and not given an opportunity to change peoples opinions. We should be getting behind these guys
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 12:30:35 GMT 1
Agree on that one, and I will always get behind whoever is selected .
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Post by Rambo on Jan 2, 2009 12:30:48 GMT 1
Agreed!
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Post by Chris461 on Jan 2, 2009 12:31:30 GMT 1
Imo He was absolutely appalling when ive seen all his games for us, totally past it for division one and probably div 2..... Stans worst signing by far. did you think he was apalling in the sheff u or arsenal game??i cant remember anyone slagging him then,if you thought he was bad in those games you must have very high standards for this level of football,not been as good since but thats hindsight,i still reckon both will play a big part this season unless they are sold,if they are they need to be replaced,especially lucketti,its okay wanting them out but we have NO proper cover. Good point, there was quite a lot of people on here screaming for Unsworth to be signed after his trial games (sheff friendly & Arse). Although I admit he has turned out to be a poor signing, I won't blame Stan as I wanted him to sign after those games as he looked like a genuinely decent player. Had Stan not signed him, I'm sure a few would be complaining as he did look good during his trial. The way it is I suppose.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 2, 2009 12:32:40 GMT 1
If Nathan or Andy Butler get injured I wouldnt be majorly concerned if one of them had to fill in for a few games. I would also like to see Tom get a go at left back as im still not convinced by Let me entertain you. agree about the lb spot,its a concern but i dont think it will be addressed till the summer,same with lucketi/unsworth,think we will get a striker in this month,even if its a loan,but anything else will be a bonus,not adverse to either leaving as long as we bring in another,there not my favourites but i wanted them signed at the time just like most on here.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 2, 2009 12:36:24 GMT 1
Yes, got to admit I was really pleased when we were getting Lucketti ..... at the moment the first choice pair are doing a good job , obviously the centre backs will make the odd mistake but contrary to what some say re Nathan , I think he is excellent at the moment.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 2, 2009 12:54:35 GMT 1
Nathan Clarke's one of the best centre backs in this division and the way hes been playing in the last calendar year it wouldn't surprise me if we're not receiving good offers for him this month. Butler, Im still not sure about myself. Hes ok, but no more than that. Not quite quick enough, not quite good enough in the air, not quite strong enough in the tackle to be rated a really good player and his distribution and composure on the ball is very poor. Ideally we could do with another centre back option to push the 1st choice two, but I can only see that happenning if we can ditch Lucketti, which is unlikely.
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Post by jimharrogate on Jan 2, 2009 13:47:12 GMT 1
I'm another that thinks Lucketti will come good-not sure about Unsworth but if this management team can't get them to produce the goods then no one will.
Remember when they last played we changed the team every game and even the manager was confused.
Now the new players are gelling with the older ones and we are improving and they will all be getting fitter under this new regime.
Lucketti hasn't turned in to a crap player overnight so let Lee choose and respect his decisions, and no more booing even if they have the odd bad game. Confidence will get us better results and the management are oozing with it and soon it will trickle down throughout the team.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2009 13:55:09 GMT 1
I'd be happy for Luketti to fill in if Clarke/Butler were injured. The only reason to get rid would be his (undoubtedly high) wages
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Post by leedsterrier on Jan 2, 2009 14:00:52 GMT 1
I think the problem is we expected to see the Lucketti who played for us all those years ago and the Unsworth that played for Everton - unfortunately age has caught up with them.
I don't think either are particular bad players, however the players who come in have done a fair job which means they aren't going to get a look in until injuries or suspensions. I actually commend both of them for not whinging and getting on with it - how many times have we heard Malvin going on about being dropped and Beckett whinging as well?
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