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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:05:41 GMT 1
This is getting absolutely nowhere.
Can you answer the 2 questions please?
Did Ken Davy transfer the shares?
If yes, was he right to do so?
Otherwise, this is just a huge waste of time - it looks like you're the one who's made up his mind - only you have no evidence to support your point of view!
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 18, 2009 1:06:31 GMT 1
no ffa were prejudiced they had made their minds up then dug as much dirt as they could to back up their prejudice without acknowleging there are two sides to every argument Would you like to back up your arguement? I can understand if people don't share a common view, but you have to put accross your case when you disagree.
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:10:01 GMT 1
no ffa were prejudiced they had made their minds up then dug as much dirt as they could to back up their prejudice without acknowleging there are two sides to every argument it seems you're actually the 1 thats prejudiced,against ffa
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:11:44 GMT 1
why should i even bother trying to to contradict ffa they will drag up facts ad infinitum the fact is they see no grey area its just hate davy when lets face it previous town directors werent great were they
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Post by cecerececerececere on Jan 18, 2009 1:11:52 GMT 1
Surely if Uncle Ken transferred 40% of Towns Stadiun shares away from HTFC for HTFC's own good then once Dean is fully installed as Chairman and the future of HTFC is secure then he will give them back?? ( or have I missed something?)
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:14:52 GMT 1
why should i even bother trying to to contradict ffa they will drag up facts ad infinitum the fact is they see no grey area its just hate davy when lets face it previous town directors werent great were they got any facts to back up your claim that its just 'hate davy'?they have FACTS to back up any claims they've made,some of which ken has admitted-do you have any FACTS to back up your prejudiced claims?seeing as you seem to be the 1 thats prejudiced,rather than FFA
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 18, 2009 1:15:11 GMT 1
Surely if Uncle Ken transferred 40% of Towns Stadiun shares away from HTFC for HTFC's own good then once Dean is fully installed as Chairman and the future of HTFC is secure then he will give them back?? ( or have I missed something?) I quite agree, and if he does so I will change my opinion (somewhat at least) of Davy. BUT I don't believe he will, simply because of the manner he took them from us and his motives for taking them!
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:15:36 GMT 1
Surely if Uncle Ken transferred 40% of Towns Stadiun shares away from HTFC for HTFC's own good then once Dean is fully installed as Chairman and the future of HTFC is secure then he will give them back?? ( or have I missed something?) davy has stated he sees no situation where he'll return the shares
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:17:41 GMT 1
their so called facts are borne out of their prejudice against the man no more than that
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 18, 2009 1:17:57 GMT 1
Surely if Uncle Ken transferred 40% of Towns Stadiun shares away from HTFC for HTFC's own good then once Dean is fully installed as Chairman and the future of HTFC is secure then he will give them back?? ( or have I missed something?) davy has stated he sees no situation where he'll return the shares I don't think thats totally true actually. I thought he said (in the questions put to him from FFA) that the shares would not be returned 'in the immediate future' I think? That was maybe 2 years ago.
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:19:37 GMT 1
from memory (im sure bro or someone can say either way as i cant remember exactly) im sure that he said he sees no situation where he'll return the shares......someone will confirm either way
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:20:28 GMT 1
why should i even bother trying to to contradict ffa they will drag up facts ad infinitum the fact is they see no grey area its just hate davy when lets face it previous town directors werent great were they There's clearly no substance to your debate! The whole point of this board is to discuss things, to put certain opinions and facts against others ... but it's only worthwhile if there's actually some substance to the debate ... Otherwise it'd just be ... "Glennon is good." "No, Glennon is bad." "Glennon is good." "I disagree." etc. Why do you feel the way you do on this? How do you justify your opinion?
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:21:08 GMT 1
ha ha now we are quoting the ffa mob yeah whatever
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 18, 2009 1:22:05 GMT 1
their so called facts are borne out of their prejudice against the man no more than that Your quite happy for him to take our shares then I take it?
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:22:34 GMT 1
their so called facts are borne out of their prejudice against the man no more than that if thats true,how come some of their ACTUAL facts (not so called facts,but actual 100% true facts) have been confirmed by davy,such as him admitting he transferred the shares,after saying he wouldn't,and they had proof that he had done so (as said,he admitted it,so i dont know how it can be a so called fact) tell me,are you ken in disguise?are you suffering from being prejudiced against ffa?i'd say so,because you talk about their prejudice before having the facts-you seem the 1 thats prejudiced against them,and yet you have no facts to back up ANYTHING you've said
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:23:58 GMT 1
ha ha now we are quoting the ffa mob yeah whatever mob?i think not-you have absolutely no proof to back up your claims that they were prejudiced against davy,and tbh you've done nothing but talk (no offence) utter tosh,with no substance to ANYTHING you've said
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:26:05 GMT 1
oh jeez get over it just coz we wont swallow the ffa crap we are not ken
like i say the disliked the man then tried just dug the dirt trying to discredit him
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:26:12 GMT 1
Why do you feel the way you do on this? because he does How do you justify your opinion? he cant
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:26:38 GMT 1
brandnubian: Please, answer these! Otherwise, we're just wasting our time ... 1. Do you think that Ken Davy transferred the stadium shares? 2. Was he right to do so? 3. Considering that he said he would not be transferring the shares, does this make it wrong for him to go on to transfer them? 4. Have FFA ever lied or attempted to mislead Town fans (as Davy has - if we're to look at the facts)? Is so how?
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Post by stevvy on Jan 18, 2009 1:27:39 GMT 1
oh jeez get over it just coz we wont swallow the ffa crap we are not ken like i say the disliked the man then tried just dug the dirt trying to discredit him you really should come back when you can add substance/facts to your claim,not some opinion based on nothingness
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:29:40 GMT 1
ffa asked their questions they got a reply it didn't suit them so they just dug the dirt
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 18, 2009 1:30:32 GMT 1
Think this guy really hasn't got anything worthwhile to say on the matter, just an ignorant prejudice against FFA, coupled with an ignorant support of davy. Basically just very ignorant of the whole issue. Davy's ideal fan in other words.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 18, 2009 1:30:53 GMT 1
Just ignore the numpty, he's either completely pissed or just on the wind up.
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:30:58 GMT 1
Now I've asked you some questions. Can you answer them please?
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 18, 2009 1:32:15 GMT 1
Think this guy really hasn't got anything worthwhile to say on the matter, just an ignorant prejudice against FFA, coupled with an ignorant support of davy. Basically just very ignorant of the whole issue. Davy's ideal fan in other words. Yes, I think he's either a WUM (wind up merchant) or has got vested interests. 11 posts on the forum and all on this thread...
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Post by brandnubian on Jan 18, 2009 1:32:30 GMT 1
davys ideal fan - oh brilliant - and that is why ffa are a complete an utter joke
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:34:11 GMT 1
Now I've asked you some questions. Can you answer them please? Well, can you???
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 18, 2009 1:38:27 GMT 1
Ask your hero if FFA are a complete joke. Don't think he'd agree with you somehow after FFA uncovered most of his shinanigans ( most- cos you can bet there's still some to come out) and informed the fans. Answer these questions- Did Davy remove Towns assetts and put them in his own holding company? Did davy say there were no circumstances where these assetts would be returned? Is he returning them to Hoyle before handing over the club?
I could ask you plenty more but Im guessing you may struggle with just these
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 18, 2009 1:41:52 GMT 1
He'll just ignore them, Slaps, as he has every question directed his way. Atleast Davy had the decency to issue a response, albeit it a fairly unconvincing one, after a long while ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 2:16:27 GMT 1
The whole thread was a good read. Unfortunately it got side-tracked a little by this brandnubian fella. The main point I'd like to make is that it is true what you are saying: it isn't that Town fans are naive or choosing not to beleive, more so that the whole picture is very unclear, which seems to be Davy's fault. You have to remember that for some people, watching football (and following Town) gives them a welcome getaway from the reality of everyday life. Whatever happens during the week with your own issues, come Saturday you can turn up and have that optimism that nothing else but football can give you. I'm afraid it isn't everyone's perogative to completley comprehend the goings on day-to-day of the club. It may only cross their minds come 3 P.M and then it's back to other matters the very same night.
People don't have the resources, time, or perhaps even interest to push that extra further to find out exactly what Ken Davy has been up to behind the scenes. It is possible that the Examiner, official site, and indeed statements from the owners or people in charge of the club are the only insight we get. And people should be able to trust what the people in charge say, surely they should have the club's best interests at heart.
What measures can be taken to ensure that a wider-audience of Town fans are given the facts and then left to make their own decision? For example, the protests from seasons gone by, calling for Davy to go - I got the general impression that it was a reaction to our poor results and the apparent under funding of the club. Under funding which I don't think people were talking about in relation to the ownership of the shares, revenue etc. I think it just looked like the Giants were been given financial aid, more so than us, and with Davy being a rugby fan, it gave an easy target to vent the frustration at.
What about banners in the ground? "We want out shares back"/"We want the truth". Perhaps people wouldn't be able to avoid the subject if it was displayed in the place we all come to see?
It's good that we have people who will go that extra bit further to find all the answers out. I hope one day Huddersfield Town will be in possession and benefit from everything it is perhaps morally entitled to.
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