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Post by utrechtterrier on Jan 25, 2009 14:01:06 GMT 1
It has been very interesting reading all the positive (60mins) views from both Town fans and Leicester fans - unfortunately I was not there. But what actually is the difference between how Leicester play and how Town play? Is Pearson a brilliant coach? Did Pearson have a fantastic set of players at the beginning of the season? What has he done with them to make them so good? Did the young lad from Man U make a significant difference? So is Clark just half a season behind Pearson's team and what does he need to do to take us to the next level? Most agree that a new central striker is a must and the views on here vary as to whether we need a right back, left back or centre back etc. Is it as simple as time together and developing what Lee Clark has started? Certainly interested in an analysis from those who were there yesterday UTT UT
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Post by thomo on Jan 25, 2009 14:06:38 GMT 1
a big man up front. Howard made a big difference by the sounds of it. We need someone with aerial presence and who can hold the ball up.
I don't think Dickinson is that man.
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Post by voteblank on Jan 25, 2009 14:10:20 GMT 1
It has been very interesting reading all the positive (60mins) views from both Town fans and Leicester fans - unfortunately I was not there. But what actually is the difference between how Leicester play and how Town play? Is Pearson a brilliant coach? Did Pearson have a fantastic set of players at the beginning of the season? What has he done with them to make them so good? Did the young lad from Man U make a significant difference? So is Clark just half a season behind Pearson's team and what does he need to do to take us to the next level? Most agree that a new central striker is a must and the views on here vary as to whether we need a right back, left back or centre back etc. Is it as simple as time together and developing what Lee Clark has started? Certainly interested in an analysis from those who were there yesterday UTT UT Pearson has been a brilliant coach for us this year and I think a lot of that is due to his involvement in the England youth set-up, having coached at all levels between U18 and U21. He has been very adept in the transfer market and the upshot is that he has a young, talented team who want to play the ball into feet. Without wanting to sound arrogant, the squad we have would probably make a decent account of themselves in the Championship. As for Huddersfield, the evidence today suggests you're a team on the up. You outplayed us for the first hour and, like us, want to keep the ball on the deck and play. I do feel that we'll win the division due to our ability to grind out results and self-belief, and I have a good feeling for Town after yesterday. Automatic promotion could be a bridge too far but I do have an inkling you'll be making a trip to Wembley in May.
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Post by thrice on Jan 25, 2009 14:10:30 GMT 1
Big strong and organised at the back.
Unplayable Howard up the top.
I dont think they will churn out much great football but they won't lose many.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 25, 2009 14:10:30 GMT 1
The difference is not that huge but can be summed up in two words ...............concentration and belief. When they went a goal down the players didnt panic - they just kept going with a strong inner belief that they would equalise and duly go on and win it. This obviously comes from a superb run of results, but is also helped by having 3/4 loan players from a higher level who have that winning mentality embedded within them. Also, as much as our set pieces werent that bad, theirs were excellent and their players were just that bit sharper and more focussed at key times - their third goal summed it up when we were busy reorganising and they took a quick free kick and bang its in our net. LC has certainly improved matters on the field and that is reflected by our following yesterday - additionally he didnt inherit a squad as good as pearson so it will take awhile for him to change it - am still very confident he will though and with 1 or hopefully 2 strikers in to rival fryatt and howard we will be every bit as good as the champions elect of this league!
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Post by Belfast_Boy on Jan 25, 2009 14:12:31 GMT 1
An awful lot of the Leicester players just looked better than Town's, they look Championship to me, and had their strikers had their shooting boots on in the last 20 minutes then things could have been an awful lot worse
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Post by Floyds on Jan 25, 2009 14:12:46 GMT 1
Better players (Fryatt) Experienced players (Howard) Good young players on loans from Premiership clubs (Hobbs etc) Confidence from being top of the league A decent manager to motivate / get them going / drive them forward Big stadium / good support
Think we need to toughen up, improve fitness levels perhaps, get a new commanding centre back, some steel in midfield for when Goodwin has a bad day, a big target man, a goal scoring striker....
And we should be on the right track ;D
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Post by voteblank on Jan 25, 2009 14:16:31 GMT 1
The difference is not that huge but can be summed up in two words ...............concentration and belief. When they went a goal down the players didnt panic - they just kept going with a strong inner belief that they would equalise and duly go on and win it. This obviously comes from a superb run of results, but is also helped by having 3/4 loan players from a higher level who have that winning mentality embedded within them. Also, as much as our set pieces werent that bad, theirs were excellent and their players were just that bit sharper and more focussed at key times - their third goal summed it up when we were busy reorganising and they took a quick free kick and bang its in our net. LC has certainly improved matters on the field and that is reflected by our following yesterday - additionally he didnt inherit a squad as good as pearson so it will take awhile for him to change it - am still very confident he will though and with 1 or hopefully 2 strikers in to rival fryatt and howard we will be every bit as good as the champions elect of this league! I think that has been another weapon in our arsenal this season. The mentality has been spot on, something we have lacked for a number of years. Without a shadow of doubt, we'd have lost that game last season. In terms of quality, I think we are slightly, and I emphasise slightly, stronger in most departments. That's what made the difference yesterday. That doesn't mean anybody at Huddersfield should feel downhearted though, as we are after all the league leaders by nine points. I would focus more on the 60 minutes where you played us off the park and build on that, as that spell showed your potential.
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Post by Tez on Jan 25, 2009 14:17:57 GMT 1
The new management and staff have been in charge for 7 games. That 60 mins spell or so is definitely summat to build on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 14:18:18 GMT 1
very strong squad
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Post by AndySk on Jan 25, 2009 14:27:10 GMT 1
The new management and staff have been in charge for 7 games. That 60 mins spell or so is definitely summat to build on. Something to build on with 2 very good new signings to come in to the squad and hopefully a new striker this week. Still a long way to go and, although as voteblank says the automatic spot could be a bridge too far, playoffs are a real prospect. UTT
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Post by Tez on Jan 25, 2009 14:31:40 GMT 1
It started with the GM's coming in (again!) to get us on a cracking run leading up to the Clark revolution commencing. IF we can bring this striker in during the next week or so it can only make us even stronger but most importantly filling a position we're in need of* *Credit to Jevo & Parker for scoring screamers yesterday, wish they did it more often.
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Post by bro600 on Jan 25, 2009 14:36:51 GMT 1
Championship wages, Championship contracts and Championship players.. I think most teams that come down have 1 or 2 bites at the going straight back up job and after that it is an equal struggle with everyone else.
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Post by grist on Jan 25, 2009 14:37:13 GMT 1
Here is the reason:
The God of football was looking down upon the match yesterday and he saw his master plan being threatened by Udders. His select, well supported and reputable team, full of good players, managerial staff and a peculiarly large number of talented loanees were under the cosh against another league 1 team. He wanted to be seen as fair in his judgement so his plans had to superficially reflect that policy.
He was faced with a bit of a dilemma when the opposition scored first. There were no concrete contingency plans available since his league storming plans had not been seriously tested thus far. After much debate, during which time his masterplan looked like becoming even more irrevocably damaged, he decided to gift his chosen team a goal from a bit of a scramble.
That should do to ruin these imposters’ confidence he thought
Football God was having a bad day, because in the 2nd half the better team took the lead again in keeping with their superior play. This time FG got a bit agitated and decided to damage these imposters once and for all by gifting his chosen ones another equaliser from a hundred deflections on their first sortie into the imposters half. This happened and the imposters could not believe their bad luck and were so disheartened that they could see no point in trying further.
Maybe not too accurate, but if the two scrappy equalisers hadn’t followed so quickly upon our own goals I think we would have at least shared the points. Well done to the Foxes all the same because they are well worthy of their reputation of being the best in this league.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 25, 2009 15:00:37 GMT 1
Two reasons we lost . 1/ We sould have scored at least one more when were on top but missed a couple of chances... and we only played for 60 odd mins.. 2/ Teams at the top usually get the breaks and little things go for them.... they certainly got the breaks yesterday. feeling positive again this afternoon after initially quite deflated. TTID
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Post by utrechtterrier on Jan 25, 2009 15:03:51 GMT 1
But tacticly do Leicester play differently to Clark's Town? We tend to look out for the wingmen to take the ball upfield and the midfielders supporting the attack. Do Leicester use their strikers in the traditional way with lots of balls to head in the box or one striker knocking the ball down to the other? On another tack plenty of reports note that Leicester drive forward from midfield. I doubt that Collins does this to the same extent particularly with the defensive midfielder Godwin in the mix. Maybe therefore we need to strengthen the middle of midfield.
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Post by kinny2 on Jan 25, 2009 16:50:56 GMT 1
Power up front. Power at the back. Midfield competent. Good bye league 1. Hello Championship.
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Post by captainbeefheart on Jan 25, 2009 16:56:45 GMT 1
They were very average at Leeds on boxing day, competent but nothing special.
Unfortunately for us we were poor on the day in what was a dreadful game of football.
I believe our squad to be as good as Leicester's, it's only mismanagement that has prevented us from being up there with them.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2009 16:59:42 GMT 1
i see that as a touch of yid arrogance you see we were mismanaged a lot worse than you and readily admit to being slightly a worse team than them,you on the otherhand think you are on a par with them,how so,player for player i would say you are worse especially if you take your loan defenders out.
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Post by presidentwu on Jan 25, 2009 17:01:36 GMT 1
I think the way both teams play is pretty similar, (only on what I saw yesterday and the few Leicester appearances on TV), both like to get their crosses in, play a lovely array of combination football and piledrive through the middle a la Collins and Goodwin. The funny thing about yesterday was that from the away end you got lots of close ups of the Leicester back four looking visibly shocked at how the Town forward machinery was putting them on the racks. Their centre halves looked as though a big book had been thrown at their heads such was the state of the hairstyles after being turned inside out by Town's brilliant combination play. Anyway, before I divulge too much, Leicester were possibly a tad stronger (stamina) and had more belief (as comes from a side at the top of the table). There wasn't much in it. We firmly ruffled their feathers. If we play like that consistently, we'll move up the league quickish.
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Post by captainbeefheart on Jan 25, 2009 17:02:40 GMT 1
i see that as a touch of yid arrogance you see we were mismanaged a lot worse than you and readily admit to being slightly a worse team than them,you on the otherhand think you are on a par with them,how so,player for player i would say you are worse especially if you take your loan defenders out. Arrogance? Moi? Perish the thought.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2009 17:04:14 GMT 1
i see that as a touch of yid arrogance you see we were mismanaged a lot worse than you and readily admit to being slightly a worse team than them,you on the otherhand think you are on a par with them,how so,player for player i would say you are worse especially if you take your loan defenders out. Arrogance? Moi? Perish the thought. damn you was hoping for a bigger bite than that ;D
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jan 25, 2009 17:05:48 GMT 1
Much of what has been written makes sense. I have a little insight because of the Saints connection. Pearson did very well to keep Saints up last season. He's an excellent motivator and his team was FIT! Also, Matthew Oakley, an understated player if ever there was one, is a tremendous asset in Div 1. Steve Howard is a cheating so-and-so, who can do little for 89 minutes of the match, but knows how to get under the skin of the opposition and then score a last minute fluke. He was the principal reason why Derby were promoted a couple of seasons ago, and Saints weren't. (I watch the league game and play-off.) A big bruiser (and one whose sins are not spotted by refs) like him would suit Town well.
Oh - and bankrolling by Mandaric is useful.... But Town are better placed by having a real fan as their "sugar daddy".
I'm off to Yeovil on Tuesday - tickets bought. Up the Town.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 18:07:21 GMT 1
Decent footballing side Good striker partnership Mix of experience and youth They know how to kill a game off
and most importantly to me, they have the resillience to keep on fighting, even if their opponents have dominated large parts of the game.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 25, 2009 18:10:36 GMT 1
We let them off the hook twice imo but I was impressed how they pushed onto us at 2-2 and you could tell we were going to lose, its all part of the learning curve under Clark.
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Post by hughphamism on Jan 25, 2009 18:26:55 GMT 1
Quality all over the pitch. I doubt they would have been relegated if they hadn't had 4 managers last season. The difference as well is that they managed to keep the squad together. Good loan signings too.
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Post by johns on Jan 25, 2009 22:38:59 GMT 1
the main difference was there loan players!!but at the end of the season when these players go back to liverpool,man u etc what do they do the team that has just won the league is broken up and they have to start all over again !!at least our team is our team and will be next season promotion or not!!
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Post by bro600 on Jan 26, 2009 21:51:20 GMT 1
I think today's announcement might explain it better.
"Leicester City announce record loss of £14.2m for financial year ending May 31, 2008. The club blames the huge deficit on 'significant' spending on the playing squad as their bid to gain promotion to the Premier League turned into relegation to the third tier for the first time in their history"
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Post by presidentwu on Jan 26, 2009 21:59:29 GMT 1
Ouch ;D
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Post by Tez on Jan 26, 2009 22:05:28 GMT 1
They NEED to go up this season. That explains some of the 'Never die/give up' attitude that they have.
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