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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 23, 2009 20:52:58 GMT 1
I really can't understand where Smithies being our best player has come from! He's a young kid, who as a GK, is nowhere near playing to his full potential. He's only had a few first team games, he's done well, but not really set the world alight (yes, he made a couple of very good saves against Leeds, but a couple were only decent). It makes sense to get him on a contract to ensure a good fee IF a top club actually bids for him, but I would not offer him the world if it upsets the rest of the squad.
He is is in a similar position to Natahan Clarke a few years ago - how many of you would be happy if he was on 8K a week? Smithies has great potential, but at the moment that's all it is.
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Post by pozza on Feb 23, 2009 21:06:07 GMT 1
He is is in a similar position to Natahan Clarke a few years ago - how many of you would be happy if he was on 8K a week? Smithies has great potential, but at the moment that's all it is. Fair point, and its a good one. Turn it on its head though, if Clarke had have gone onto bigger and better things, how many would be saying we had no ambition for selling him & we were too tight to pay and extra 2k a week to keep hold of him. Good case for both sides of the argument.
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Post by htfc94 on Feb 23, 2009 21:26:18 GMT 1
why is he going to be higher paid than people like roberts, goodwin etc. we have two other capable goalies and we could be looking at a healthy sum of money coming in from some premiership team like
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 11:34:25 GMT 1
He is is in a similar position to Natahan Clarke a few years ago - how many of you would be happy if he was on 8K a week? Smithies has great potential, but at the moment that's all it is. Fair point, and its a good one. Turn it on its head though, if Clarke had have gone onto bigger and better things, how many would be saying we had no ambition for selling him & we were too tight to pay and extra 2k a week to keep hold of him. Good case for both sides of the argument. Its a good point but which attributes needed to make it to the top is Smithies missing? And also, with keepers having later careers (so to speak), there is more time to iron out the imperfections in Smithies game. Clarke misses pace to make up for errors, dominance and to some degree, enough ability to play the ball out rather than hoofing it. I think that is what is different in the 2 cases.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 24, 2009 11:36:52 GMT 1
I think it's a lot harder to judge a keeper than it is to judge an outfield player.
Some keepers can look fantastic for a while, and then completely lose it and look terrible (Paul Robinson, Richard Wright etc).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2009 11:42:30 GMT 1
I think it's a lot harder to judge a keeper than it is to judge an outfield player. Some keepers can look fantastic for a while, and then completely lose it and look terrible (Paul Robinson, Richard Wright etc). Titus Bramble was a potential England defender for Ipswich... I think time is more of Smithies side in terms of how long his career could last.
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Post by upthetown on Feb 24, 2009 11:48:59 GMT 1
I think that the mental ability is probably the most important thing in what makes an average keeper and a good keeper. Because a keepers mistakes cost goals.....every other position it's not always the case. If they don't have the mental ability to deal with their mistakes they suffer poor confidence and become consitently crap after that: as seen in: robinson, James, Wright, Carson etc.
I think he has every quality to be an outstanding keeper for 20 years.
He is out of contract this summer, we would'nt get anywhere near what he is worth letting him go. Getting him on this contract is defintely the best thing for Town.
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Post by The Roaring Twenties on Feb 24, 2009 13:24:48 GMT 1
I really can't understand where Smithies being our best player has come from! He's a young kid, who as a GK, is nowhere near playing to his full potential. He's only had a few first team games, he's done well, but not really set the world alight (yes, he made a couple of very good saves against Leeds, but a couple were only decent). It makes sense to get him on a contract to ensure a good fee IF a top club actually bids for him, but I would not offer him the world if it upsets the rest of the squad. He is is in a similar position to Natahan Clarke a few years ago - how many of you would be happy if he was on 8K a week? Smithies has great potential, but at the moment that's all it is. £8k a week ? Where did you pluck that figure from ? I would have thought the top earners at Town would be on around half that (but I have no idea). I would have thought the contract offer would be on a par with the current top earners and therefore shouldn't cause a problem with team morale.
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Post by Stanley H Tweedle on Feb 24, 2009 13:29:11 GMT 1
Hoyle is a business man.
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Post by ritchie on Feb 24, 2009 15:04:58 GMT 1
Exactly, if he says hes worth signing then he is.
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Post by jimsteruk on Feb 24, 2009 18:05:41 GMT 1
Exactly, if he says hes worth signing then he is. A very naive response if you ask me. It has to be far more than just a business deal. As mentioned within the thread he has to be worth the money for the qualities and skills he brings as a keeper (which surely comes down the team management) and therefore will advise Hoyle as needed, who we know fully backs the vision and hopefully the advise of those around him.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 25, 2009 16:00:33 GMT 1
I really can't understand where Smithies being our best player has come from! He's a young kid, who as a GK, is nowhere near playing to his full potential. He's only had a few first team games, he's done well, but not really set the world alight (yes, he made a couple of very good saves against Leeds, but a couple were only decent). It makes sense to get him on a contract to ensure a good fee IF a top club actually bids for him, but I would not offer him the world if it upsets the rest of the squad. He is is in a similar position to Natahan Clarke a few years ago - how many of you would be happy if he was on 8K a week? Smithies has great potential, but at the moment that's all it is. £8k a week ? Where did you pluck that figure from ? I would have thought the top earners at Town would be on around half that (but I have no idea). I would have thought the contract offer would be on a par with the current top earners and therefore shouldn't cause a problem with team morale. I was in no way intending to say he is on 8k - my point was that if we were paying big money on a long contract to Nathan Clarke, because he looked like he would play in the premiership a few years ago, many fans would be up in arms about it now. Just a precautionary note
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 25, 2009 16:04:55 GMT 1
why is he going to be higher paid than people like roberts, goodwin etc. we have two other capable goalies and we could be looking at a healthy sum of money coming in from some premiership team like I think the point is, we won't be getting bundles of cash from premiership clubs if we let him run out of contract.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 25, 2009 16:06:00 GMT 1
Fair point, and its a good one. Turn it on its head though, if Clarke had have gone onto bigger and better things, how many would be saying we had no ambition for selling him & we were too tight to pay and extra 2k a week to keep hold of him. Good case for both sides of the argument. Its a good point but which attributes needed to make it to the top is Smithies missing? And also, with keepers having later careers (so to speak), there is more time to iron out the imperfections in Smithies game. Clarke misses pace to make up for errors, dominance and to some degree, enough ability to play the ball out rather than hoofing it. I think that is what is different in the 2 cases. For me, Smithies has done well, the only errors I can recall are a few dropped crosses. I think he may well be a very good keeper in time, I'd just like to see more of him. My caution is linked to Nathan Clarke cos when I first watched him in the first team he reminded me very much of Franco Baresi, in the respect that he would hold off on an attacker, bide his time and then at the right moment, pounce and come away with the ball. For a great deal of the last 3 years he has either been diving in landing on his arse, or stuck motionless with his arm in the air - although to be fair to him, he has been better recently.
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