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Post by stevvy on Feb 26, 2009 11:42:06 GMT 1
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Post by runner76 on Feb 26, 2009 11:47:49 GMT 1
Looks like we are going to try and keep the bulk of our homegrown talent - great news
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 11:50:04 GMT 1
Never mind all them Lee - what about Malvin's new deal!!!!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 26, 2009 12:02:38 GMT 1
I guess the pay structure has now been blown out of the water and regulars like Holdsworth, Collins and Nathan Clarke will need parity with the lads who've joined in the last 12 months
Pretty sure we have an option in the contracts of both Tom Clarke and Eastwood so surely it's simply a case of exercising that option. Job done
Good to see Tom Clarke getting retained, I honestly think with the right coaching (Frazackerly) he could be a real player and apparently he looked the part at Bradford
Nice also to see Berrett looked after, class prospect. Cads worth another 12 months IMO
Good stuff on balance. Probably be a couple more who get deals offered in May as well (Broadbent for sure must fall into that category, although it may depend on how he does for Gateshead)
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Post by Ox Terrier on Feb 26, 2009 12:12:45 GMT 1
Interesting that Broadbent is playing alongside Novak at Gateshead. What are the chances of seeing these two as first choice strikers for Town next season?!?!?!?!
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Post by stevvy on Feb 26, 2009 12:15:04 GMT 1
nil-we cant have a first choice strikeforce of 2 kids who have no record at this level (or even at league 2 level)
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 26, 2009 12:15:32 GMT 1
Interesting that Broadbent is playing alongside Novak at Gateshead. What are the chances of seeing these two as first choice strikers for Town next season?!?!?!?! Zero
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Post by Ox Terrier on Feb 26, 2009 12:18:07 GMT 1
It was said tongue in cheek fellas (notice the multiple use of the exclamation mark!)
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Post by gaz7837 on Feb 26, 2009 12:18:21 GMT 1
nil-we cant have a first choice strikeforce of 2 kids who have no record at this level (or even at league 2 level) Why not? They might notch up more than 5 goals between them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 12:27:34 GMT 1
Never mind all them Lee - what about Malvin's new deal!!!! Just to add onto this, a bloke who my dad works with is apparently friends with Malvin Kamara and as my dad is an avid Town fan of 40 odd years, he told him how much moolah Kamara is on. Apparently he is on £4,000. Whether my dad's mate is accurate is unsure - I'm merely feeding on the information I've been told from what seems a reasonably close source.
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Post by AndySk on Feb 26, 2009 12:31:46 GMT 1
Interesting that Broadbent is playing alongside Novak at Gateshead. What are the chances of seeing these two as first choice strikers for Town next season?!?!?!?! Would go for that over Parker and Jevons up front!! Mind you i'd go for Jon Newby and Craig Whittington over those 2. Or have I gone too far there!!!
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Post by aca00js on Feb 26, 2009 13:18:43 GMT 1
Looks like Worthington is getting a new deal then. See as he hasn't been mentioned.
Confirming Booth is retiring as well then? With no mention of him.
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Post by jim100 on Feb 26, 2009 13:22:22 GMT 1
I have mixed feelings about this to be honest. Clarke and Holdsworth, Collins arent these the players that have consistantly not been good enough over the last few years to get us promoted?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 13:25:48 GMT 1
I have mixed feelings about this to be honest. Clarke and Holdsworth, Collins arent these the players that have consistantly not been good enough over the last few years to get us promoted? No, its been the 8 players playing with them who haven't been good enough.
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Post by jim100 on Feb 26, 2009 13:29:08 GMT 1
Sorry dont agree. They have been the constant through are years of mediocraty. For us to move on we need to get away from this core of homegrown players which arent good enough to get us promoted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 13:37:18 GMT 1
Yes we need to become less reliant on home grown players, but Clarke has been superb recently. Collins is doing well, and Holdsworth despite not having the best of seasons is well worth a new contract. Its not our first team players we need to be getting rid off, its those who are not in the first team. Kamara, Unsworth, Luketti, Flynn etc. that we should be looking to move on, while replacing them with players who will challenge the likes of Clarke, Holdsworth and Collins for there first team places.
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Post by Mastercracker on Feb 26, 2009 13:41:14 GMT 1
Sorry dont agree. They have been the constant through are years of mediocraty. For us to move on we need to get away from this core of homegrown players which arent good enough to get us promoted Gareth Barry has been at Villa about 10 years, most of which they spent faffing around in the bottom half/mid table much like us. By your logic they'd have got rid of him, not fought tooth and nail with Liverpool to keep him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 13:44:26 GMT 1
Yes we need to become less reliant on home grown players, but Clarke has been superb recently. Collins is doing well, and Holdsworth despite not having the best of seasons is well worth a new contract. Its not our first team players we need to be getting rid off, its those who are not in the first team. Kamara, Unsworth, Luketti, Flynn etc. that we should be looking to move on, while replacing them with players who will challenge the likes of Clarke, Holdsworth and Collins for there first team places. I agree. The ones in the first team need to stay and be given extra quality competition for places, rather than the garbage on the bench/not even making the bench. If we got somebody new in at centre back for example, Nathan Clarke would be a good player to have on the bench and the player in the team will be better and therefore, the squad is stronger.
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Post by aca00js on Feb 26, 2009 13:48:22 GMT 1
The home grown players who got us promoted and that first couple of years in this divison on a whole who we should be keeping.
The problem was due to such a low budget we lost all our experienced players and thus they had nobody to look up to and follow.
We now have a group of old pros who might not be playing but will be helping the young lads learn and improve (I thinking Lucketti here).
You need a mix of experience and youth.
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Post by boothylegend on Feb 26, 2009 14:59:28 GMT 1
Sorry dont agree. They have been the constant through are years of mediocraty. For us to move on we need to get away from this core of homegrown players which arent good enough to get us promotedDisagree. It's not the core of homegrown players that are the ones that have been holding us back, it's the lack of investment which has meant that we've had to persist with homegrown players alongside them that aren't good enough. We need to be keeping players like Clarke and Collins (Holdsworth hasn't been as effective this season, but is still a steady League One player) and put quality around them; look at how much better Collins has looked when playing alongside Goodwin, and Clarke when he's been playing alongside a more reliable centre half than Mirfin.
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Post by Floyds on Feb 26, 2009 15:08:02 GMT 1
Nah i wouldnt be giving all those guys new contracts at all
Maybe i would retain Nathan Clarke - not sure i would keep Holdsworth. Why are we extending Collins and Berrett? I would leave them to see if they can a) perform consistently next season or even b) make it into the team
Tom Clarke and Eastwood i would let go
Cadders i would offer a pay as you play deal to but nothing more.
We need big changes and a massive improvement if we are to achieve anything.......if we just keep the basis of the team the same we will finish......i dunno - 11th next season?
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 26, 2009 15:08:13 GMT 1
Clarkes been our best player this season IMO. The idea of getting rid of him or the likes of Collins, Holdsworth ( and IMO Worthy) is frankly ludicrous, unless getting rid of your best players is a proven way to success!! And in the unlikely event we sign a better centre back, it would be Butler who would be the one to lose his place as, good as he is, he is a class below Clarke. Maybe Liverpool will ditch Gerrard and Carragher because theyve been the core of their side that has consistantly failed to win the title all these years? LOL
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 26, 2009 15:12:59 GMT 1
Nah i wouldnt be giving all those guys new contracts at all Maybe i would retain Nathan Clarke - not sure i would keep Holdsworth. Why are we extending Collins and Berrett? I would leave them to see if they can a) perform consistently next season or even b) make it into the team Tom Clarke and Eastwood i would let go Cadders i would offer a pay as you play deal to but nothing more. We need big changes and a massive improvement if we are to achieve anything.......if we just keep the basis of the team the same we will finish......i dunno - 11th next season? Disagree completely. You want to make the same mistake Turnip made. All this team needs to be good enough to go up automatically is 2 half decent strikers and they WILL be arriving in the summer. We are in the play-off hunt and our strikers have scored EIGHT goals in open play ALL SEASON!!It proves the rest of the team is fine,in fact better than fine. Strikers are the only obvious deficiency this squad has
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Post by Floyds on Feb 26, 2009 15:15:41 GMT 1
I would keep Clarke but personally would buy 2 centre backs in the summer and have genuine competition among the four
Holdsworth has had an average season - sure there are better rightbacks than him...?
Collins i would also keep but think we again need competition rather than just guaranteed a place every week.
These guys need to improve their consistency and up their game if they want to stay in the side and if we want to achieve anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 15:17:05 GMT 1
Nah i wouldnt be giving all those guys new contracts at all Maybe i would retain Nathan Clarke - not sure i would keep Holdsworth. Why are we extending Collins and Berrett? I would leave them to see if they can a) perform consistently next season or even b) make it into the team Tom Clarke and Eastwood i would let go Cadders i would offer a pay as you play deal to but nothing more. We need big changes and a massive improvement if we are to achieve anything.......if we just keep the basis of the team the same we will finish......i dunno - 11th next season? And we would have either 1) a tiny squad or 2) the same sub-standard back up players as last season. You would let an England U-19 goalkeeper go before he has even seen the first team? I assume you mean replacing all of these players with better ones. That is going to cost quite a bit isn't it?!
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Feb 26, 2009 15:30:24 GMT 1
Nah i wouldnt be giving all those guys new contracts at all Maybe i would retain Nathan Clarke - not sure i would keep Holdsworth. Why are we extending Collins and Berrett? I would leave them to see if they can a) perform consistently next season or even b) make it into the team Tom Clarke and Eastwood i would let goCadders i would offer a pay as you play deal to but nothing more. We need big changes and a massive improvement if we are to achieve anything.......if we just keep the basis of the team the same we will finish......i dunno - 11th next season? I take it you've not seen much reserve football. Eastwood is certainly worth another contract. He has had a good spell at Woking getting valuable first team games and he most certainly looked the part in the reserves at Bradford on tuesday, handling well, taking crosses, excellent distribution and a cracking penalty save. Definitely worth a new contract.
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Post by Floyds on Feb 26, 2009 17:21:35 GMT 1
Not seen any reserve team football - dont they kick off at either 2pm or 7pm? Struggle to even get back from work for the 7 45pm first team games
Eastwood hasnt had good reviews (from what i have seen) at Woking - and he has looked suspect when i have seen him (away at Bridlington and against Arsenal - i think)
What is the point of having a squad of players who are not good enough?
We have a massive squad at the moment with the likes of Kamara, Unsworth, Lucketti etc who are never going to get a game.
Not sure why you think we would have a tiny squad anyway?
The only players who are in the first team squad who i am saying i might consider leaving in the summer are cadders and holdsworth - and yeah - fucking hell - i would sign players to replace them
unless you dont think we should sign a striker or a rightback?!
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Feb 26, 2009 17:24:36 GMT 1
Nah i wouldnt be giving all those guys new contracts at all Maybe i would retain Nathan Clarke - not sure i would keep Holdsworth. Why are we extending Collins and Berrett? I would leave them to see if they can a) perform consistently next season or even b) make it into the team Tom Clarke and Eastwood i would let go Cadders i would offer a pay as you play deal to but nothing more. We need big changes and a massive improvement if we are to achieve anything.......if we just keep the basis of the team the same we will finish......i dunno - 11th next season? Disagree completely. You want to make the same mistake Turnip made. All this team needs to be good enough to go up automatically is 2 half decent strikers and they WILL be arriving in the summer. We are in the play-off hunt and our strikers have scored EIGHT goals in open play ALL SEASON!!It proves the rest of the team is fine,in fact better than fine. Strikers are the only obvious deficiency this squad has Spot on with that Slaps. 2 decent strikers, some cover at RB and CB, and I think we're sorted for next season. Imagine how many extra points we'd have picked up with just 10-15 more goals in the team.
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Post by stevvy on Feb 26, 2009 17:27:51 GMT 1
definitely need more backup at CB and RB (not that we have any real cover at RB anyway) as if clarke or butler get injured,we have lucketti (too slow,not really good enough) and tom clarke (who i'm not 100% certain is 100% ready for the first team atm,especially in terms of a long run in the side)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2009 17:51:15 GMT 1
Interesting that Broadbent is playing alongside Novak at Gateshead. What are the chances of seeing these two as first choice strikers for Town next season?!?!?!?! on tues broadbent wasnt as good as novac and i dont really think will be good enough
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