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Post by ellsky on Feb 27, 2009 15:37:17 GMT 1
Does anyone think Flynny deserves a chance ,, does anyone think he has not played because of the Stan thing ? i find it hard to believe that he hasn't played when he was top scorer at the time. I tend to feel people have turned on him now because hes not been playing as late , it was a different story when he was playing and scoring, so in that respect i think he has been a tad unlucky really. i also think he would definitely be scoring more goals than the Strikers at the mo and probably had 9 or 10 goals by now and maybe just maybe Hudds would be in the playoff zone. How many goals do you think he would have bagged by now ??  |
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Post by ben555 on Feb 27, 2009 15:41:44 GMT 1
I don't know about 9 to 10 goals with the current midfield we have, but he is as decent player and doesn't deserve to be criticised IMO
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Post by ellsky on Feb 27, 2009 15:44:32 GMT 1
I don't know about 9 to 10 goals with the current midfield we have, but he is as decent player and doesn't deserve to be criticised IMO nice one m8 i tend to agree |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2009 15:45:11 GMT 1
If he is playing decent for the reserves then yes I think he deserves a chance. The Bradford reserve game rfeedback suggests he did and does deserve a chance.
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Post by Admin on Feb 27, 2009 15:45:18 GMT 1
Hey up Michael! Nah , hes had a bit of a raw deal to be honest but there are now far better players than him in the squad so wont get a chance unless we have a serious injury crisis. |
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Post by ellsky on Feb 27, 2009 15:47:26 GMT 1
but why drop him when he gets goals,,goals win games and lets face it there have been a few games lost where no strikers have failed .
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 27, 2009 15:48:25 GMT 1
Can't see him in a midfield 4 for us and he wouldn't be able to get forward anywhere near as much as he did in a 5.
Other than the odd goal his contribution just wasn't the standard we need. Whether out wide or in the middle, we just have so many options who are better than him.
He's a League 2 player IMO.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 27, 2009 21:18:09 GMT 1
I think he will get on bench. He is good at linking play and gives us other attacking options, i'd be tempted to let him play in Collin's place,
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Feb 27, 2009 21:24:50 GMT 1
I've been saying for a few weeks that I'd like to see him back in the 16. Wouldn't drop Collins or Goodwin yet, and I don't like 3 in the middle of the park, but I'd deffo have him on the bench.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 27, 2009 21:47:03 GMT 1
I think that flynn is the unluckiest member of our squad - he was mostly played out of position wide, but when he was allowed to come inside he regularly bagged a goal - he gives us the threat that none of our other CM do (with the possible exception of Craney) & that is he can score from outside the box
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Post by specialun on Feb 27, 2009 23:54:46 GMT 1
He was out of position - but unluckily for him, there was never a need to sign him and he was the weakest 'all round' player we had and have in that position...i.e. including stamina, defensive work etc.
He isn't mobile enough to play in a team playing football the way clark wants.
With slapper on this one. Surprised if we see him again (despite turnip giving him a 3 year contract!)
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Post by tkmaxx on Feb 28, 2009 0:42:33 GMT 1
I think that flynn is the unluckiest member of our squad - he was mostly played out of position wide, but when he was allowed to come inside he regularly bagged a goal - he gives us the threat that none of our other CM do (with the possible exception of Craney) & that is he can score from outside the box Eh!? Doesn't Collins count then? One scoring midfielder = Collins and Goodwin holding. In my eyes Flynn is a good 3rd choice. |
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Post by therealyogibear on Feb 28, 2009 0:57:34 GMT 1
Collins is a weak link
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Post by sunflower on Feb 28, 2009 1:05:03 GMT 1
At least we don't need to worry about suspensions on the run-in, plenty of decent cover in midfield, sadly though, our strike force is piss poor!
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Post by htafc on Feb 28, 2009 1:24:22 GMT 1
should be on bench then
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2009 1:50:43 GMT 1
Not the best when we don't have the ball, but not sure how collins can be described as a weak link. He scores goals at the ratio of a prolific striker, links up play very well and has the fitness to keep it going the whole 90 minutes. 1st half against Leeds he was one of, if not the, most assured player on the park but for some reason, probably because he isn't spreading 60 yard passes around or crunching into tackles, the excellent work he does always seems to go unnoticed. He keeps it simple and is very effective when we have the ball and that usually makes up for him not being the best when we don't.
Id say Collins is several levels above Flynn. Think people have forgotten just how poor Flynn was in almost all his 18 games for us. Ok not helped by being played out of position in most of them but even so, his standard of passing, control, athleticism, vision etc isn't up to what we need.
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Post by monkbar on Feb 28, 2009 2:08:25 GMT 1
Not sure I would say 6 goals from Collins is that of a prolific goalscorer Slaps. Agree tho I would have him above Flynn tho although I would have Flynn above Craney, if only for his Sheff U performance when he showed what he could do played in the proper position.
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Post by philex on Feb 28, 2009 2:09:37 GMT 1
Not the best when we don't have the ball, but not sure how collins can be described as a weak link. He scores goals at the ratio of a prolific striker, links up play very well and has the fitness to keep it going the whole 90 minutes. 1st half against Leeds he was one of, if not the, most assured player on the park but for some reason, probably because he isn't spreading 60 yard passes around or crunching into tackles, the excellent work he does always seems to go unnoticed. He keeps it simple and is very effective when we have the ball and that usually makes up for him not being the best when we don't. Id say Collins is several levels above Flynn. Think people have forgotten just how poor Flynn was in almost all his 18 games for us. Ok not helped by being played out of position in most of them but even so, his standard of passing, control, athleticism, vision etc isn't up to what we need. Spot on. |
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Post by marshian on Feb 28, 2009 12:23:42 GMT 1
Shouldn't think LC will care about what went on under Stan, Flynn mustn't have impressed him in training/with reserves therefore hasn't picked him.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 28, 2009 12:38:06 GMT 1
I think that flynn is the unluckiest member of our squad - he was mostly played out of position wide, but when he was allowed to come inside he regularly bagged a goal - he gives us the threat that none of our other CM do (with the possible exception of Craney) & that is he can score from outside the box Eh!? Doesn't Collins count then? One scoring midfielder = Collins and Goodwin holding. Course Collins counts... but if you bother to read my post properly you will see that I am praising Flynn for his ability to shoot and score from outside the box. How many of Collins's goals come in that way? Collins tends to score goals by either finishing off moves in the box or timing runs on to through balls superbly - hence my point that Flynn offers something different |
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Post by specialun on Feb 28, 2009 12:51:53 GMT 1
Not the best when we don't have the ball, but not sure how collins can be described as a weak link. He scores goals at the ratio of a prolific striker, links up play very well and has the fitness to keep it going the whole 90 minutes. 1st half against Leeds he was one of, if not the, most assured player on the park but for some reason, probably because he isn't spreading 60 yard passes around or crunching into tackles, the excellent work he does always seems to go unnoticed. He keeps it simple and is very effective when we have the ball and that usually makes up for him not being the best when we don't. Id say Collins is several levels above Flynn. Think people have forgotten just how poor Flynn was in almost all his 18 games for us. Ok not helped by being played out of position in most of them but even so, his standard of passing, control, athleticism, vision etc isn't up to what we need. Spot on. Yer but he scored a goal from outside the box captain! Forget that we were a relegation threatened team with him in the team, he scored so it doesn't matter! I can't believe this is actually a debate...collins or flynn? Collins everytime. |
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Post by SaleTerrier on Feb 28, 2009 13:08:36 GMT 1
captainslapper
agree with you 100% collins is probs one of our best - people just seem to have this thing against him,
collins goals have kept us in contention of play offs, yet he is a weak link? i think the partneship of goodwin and collins works really really well. you dont need two people to put in crunching tackles
and collins does win his fair share of headers, as well as putting a challenge in now and then
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Post by Captainslapper on Feb 28, 2009 13:38:26 GMT 1
Since Turnip left and hes been in a midfield 4 Collins has 7 goals in 18 games. Perhaps not a 'prolific' striker but that ratio throughout a normal season in league and cup would see him around the 20 goals mark, which from midfield is exceptional, and many of those goals are vital match winners.
Hes scored more than our current strikers combined!
Flynns goal record wasn't bad at all. 5 in 18, (though 1 was a goalkeeping howler against Northampton), and theres no doubt he has a great shot from distance. Just don't think that makes up for the rest of his game which is L2 standard
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