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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 0:14:10 GMT 1
www.htafc.com/page/PostMatchComments/0,,10312~1577945,00.html Have a read of that you Clark knockers (can't believe they exist already). He's spot on, he knows as well as us that we need to be killing teams off. He's not telling the players to be negative once we go ahead, he's not telling them to sit back. Some people seem to think that footballers are robots, that they will do exactly what the manager tells them to and human nature won't come into it. It will take a bit of time before Clark can really stamp his ideas on our squad, but time is something we do have. We were left with too much to do this season, onwards and upwards next year. Lets get behind Lee Clark, if its not going right this time next season then we can re-access and maybe start to question him.
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Post by SaleTerrier on Mar 4, 2009 0:17:08 GMT 1
beat me too it
think him and you are spot on
give him a chance!
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Post by pompeyterrier on Mar 4, 2009 0:18:13 GMT 1
Yup, I agree with that.
Can't believe people think he's telling them to sit back and be "negative". Is he invisible on that touchline to some people or what? He's ALWAYS there waving his arms and giving instructions, even if we're playing well, and he's ALWAYS telling them to push up. What more can he do for these people??
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Post by birkbybloke on Mar 4, 2009 0:18:50 GMT 1
Feckin' A, Lee Clark. We've got to stick with this man for a while.
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Post by specialun on Mar 4, 2009 0:19:24 GMT 1
Ban this man, far too positive
40 percent short Boxster
No doubt leading the way with the petition tonight!
Oh, spot on paulmat!
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Post by ACW on Mar 4, 2009 0:21:39 GMT 1
The thing I like about Clarke is unlike many of his predecessors he seems to see the same match as I do - Win, lose or draw. He has his views on how the team should play, and I agree with him, but he seems to be having trouble relaying it to the team. Trouble is, many of the players are so used to playing typical lower league hoof ball that they are finding it extremely hard to adapt. It is obviously Clarke's job to get them to listen to him, but in IMO he's trying to change the culture at the club. He talks a good game, I just hope he can get his thoughts across to the players. And if some of the players can't adapt they should be shown the door. We're now aiming to be an attacking side who pass the ball - those stuck in the era of defensive long ball rubbish need to shape up or ship out.
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Post by rocky on Mar 4, 2009 0:23:40 GMT 1
There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Town will get promoted under Clark. There's no way it will happen this season (he's just trying to keep the interest going saying that), but if he is allowed to sign 2 proper strikers (& hopefully a 3rd as back up), then roll on next season.
There is one little contradiction in what he says though ;
'I have told the players not to settle for 2-1 - go and get three or four goals. That is the only way to play - to put the opposition on the back foot'.
After Northampton, he said they shouldn't have been looking for the 2nd - they should have defended what they had!
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Post by specialun on Mar 4, 2009 0:25:04 GMT 1
Problem is andy, too many expect it now on this board.
Some questionning the role of steve black three months in! Give it a chance!
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 4, 2009 0:29:34 GMT 1
I just despair sometimes I really do.
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Post by nickhtafc on Mar 4, 2009 1:52:53 GMT 1
Its nice to have a manager who is both passionate but also talks sense.
Enjoyed reading the interview.
We have the right man, he will get us promoted given time and playing the type of football we want to see.
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Post by terrierashton on Mar 4, 2009 2:03:49 GMT 1
His interviews are absolutely spot on. I think the point about human nature is also spot on. It will take time for him to get the players to do what he wants. We often start a half strongly - when the management team's words are ringing in their ears but when things get tough we resort to how we were, and let's face it we have been very mediocre for quite a while. It will take time and a very hard pre-season. And some chaps to put the ball in the net.
But I for one am keeping the faith.
Let's all just give them time - even some of the lesser popular players. I want to see what this management team can do at our club, and we will only find out with time.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 4, 2009 2:22:38 GMT 1
We have to put games away and stop conceding late goals as it's costing us vital points. Brlliant Lee. None of us would have thought of that.
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Post by oldmanboothy on Mar 4, 2009 2:51:48 GMT 1
We have to put games away and stop conceding late goals as it's costing us vital points. Brlliant Lee. None of us would have thought of that. Clark out! Ritchie in!
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Post by Dell12 on Mar 4, 2009 3:01:05 GMT 1
Also he doesn't moan about the penalty, alot of Premiership managers could take a leaf out of his book. Fair play to him, no excuses!
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Post by kersh14 on Mar 4, 2009 7:26:53 GMT 1
He cant give any excuses needs to work on the fitness and concentration of the players so they manage to play for 95 mins
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 7:51:46 GMT 1
It's all well and good saying he wants the keeper to throw it to the full backs, but this is causing its own problems. Usually the ball is either rolled to butler, or if it is thrown to the full back they pass it back to butler. Butler is no where near good enough on the ball and takes too long and waits to be closed down before playing the ball, resulting in a rushed crap ball or it getting blocked, similar also happened with Lucketti. If he wants to play this way he has to realise he will need two centre backs who dont shit their pants when they get passed the ball. Clarke is far better than Butler on the ball and it showed tonight having to play two bruisers who dont have the ability when on the ball is not a recipe for success in a passing team
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Post by grist on Mar 4, 2009 8:03:16 GMT 1
There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Town will get promoted under Clark. There's no way it will happen this season (he's just trying to keep the interest going saying that), but if he is allowed to sign 2 proper strikers (& hopefully a 3rd as back up), then roll on next season. There is one little contradiction in what he says though ; 'I have told the players not to settle for 2-1 - go and get three or four goals. That is the only way to play - to put the opposition on the back foot'.After Northampton, he said they shouldn't have been looking for the 2nd - they should have defended what they had! I think there is a little difference between defending a lead in the last 5 mins and a whole half. It was only in the last 5 mins at Northampton that we were under pressure and the players were not coveting possession of the ball as they should have been. At that stage of the game I would not have been expecting them to throw caution to the wind, but more common sense could have been shown. GR is commonly at fault in this respect
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Post by grist on Mar 4, 2009 8:20:59 GMT 1
Problem is andy, too many expect it now on this board. Some questionning the role of steve black three months in! Give it a chance! I certainly question the role of any psychologist. They may be able to affect a small percentage of the people they deal with, but psychology is too complex and intimate for it to work universally across a team. The best thing we can expect from a Steve Black type character is a positive influence upon the general demeanour in the camp. The same could be supplied by a good captain or any other bubbly personality.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 8:49:20 GMT 1
[quote author=paulmat board=general thread=23314 post=342128 time=1236122050Clark knockers (can't believe they exist already). [/quote]
Really? We are talking about Town fans here. Any manager is only a couple of defeats away from being the worst manager ever in the eyes of many Town fans.
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 4, 2009 9:05:27 GMT 1
Can't believe people think he's telling them to sit back and be "negative". quote] I can't believe that either, nor that people are apparently calling for his read (but I haven't yet read a serious post that says that). .....but what I can believe is that he's demanding we have 11 men back at corners, which invariably results when we clear it in the ball coming straight back at us. This is contributing to us seeming to have a long spell under pressure almost every game. You would struggle to convince me Lionel Ainsworth (for example) would not be more effective as an outlet on the halfway line in this situation than adding his defensive capabilities (!?!?) to an already crowded final third.
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Post by terracesider on Mar 4, 2009 9:25:19 GMT 1
All good stuff Lee & great to hear our manager talking like this - but it aint rocket science. FWIW I seem to remember the much maligned Stan "the man" and the post leaner AND the fabled Jacko and probably even Mick Wadsworth saying exactly the same things. What we want to see is a manager that can IMPLEMENT the philosophy not just talk about it. There are some decent signs - I imagine the dramatic improvement in performance in the second half wasn't simply down to a change in the wind . Also, the substitutions are made at a time when the guys coming on have some chance to make an impact which is good to see.But, at the moment I can't see an awful lot of better football than I was seeing when the current Radio leeds summariser was our manager. Big improvement on Satdy please UTT
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Post by runner76 on Mar 4, 2009 9:51:15 GMT 1
Aye - it just needs to be getting through the players' thick skulls!!!!.........
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Post by terrierspam on Mar 4, 2009 9:56:20 GMT 1
i have all the time in the world for lee clark and his team, and all he has said is great, but it still doesnt explain the fact we sat back in a comanding possision again. who has told the players this? why have they got this mentality? its down to the management team. and the only thing im saying bad agaist the team is that the game plan isnt there.
i dont know how many people saw it lastnight but about 2 mins after our second goal the ball was kicked out of play for a throw in, the ball landed next to clark and he could have picked it up and get the team going foward again with the momentem, but he didnt, he just let it carry on and told williams to take his time. to me that is where we should have been up field getting another as they we under the cosh!
but like i said i think this managment squad have got a lot of potential with town, however if the clark needs to learn he needs to look at these things.
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Post by hunsworthterrier on Mar 4, 2009 10:06:30 GMT 1
You would struggle to convince me Lionel Ainsworth (for example) would not be more effective as an outlet on the halfway line in this situation than adding his defensive capabilities (!?!?) to an already crowded final third. [/quote]
I think thats a little unfair because we did try to use Ainsworth as an outlet. The problem was he gave the ball away far too easily and then had to track back to try and rectify his cock-up.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Mar 4, 2009 10:08:28 GMT 1
Clark definately sees the same things that we do, after all we are supporters, he's been in the game his whole life, coached and played, the team around him have vast experience. I think town fans need to finally accept the common factor all these years is the team. Hopefully a good solid preseason will mean Clark can instil the tactical sense to the players and I genuinely feel that preseason is where the new management team will make their mark. As much as I think players like holdsworth, Williams have played really well I just think that they maybe ones to suffer if they can't adapt. For me Clark gets as long as he needs to build his own team before I judge him, from what I've seen and what he's said I feel we have more quality in our manager than ever before.
Just two other points about last nights game, lucketti really impressed me, he beat their players to a few balls, was solid, got on the end of a lot, cut out a lot, I didn't feel that our offside trap would be broken, like it has been so easily recently. And secondly, is ainsworth actually bothered? I'd rather have had kamara on the pitch last night, we lost a lot of our balance when he came on, due to his lack of effort.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 10:09:18 GMT 1
The thing I like about Clarke is unlike many of his predecessors he seems to see the same match as I do - Win, lose or draw. He has his views on how the team should play, and I agree with him, but he seems to be having trouble relaying it to the team. Trouble is, many of the players are so used to playing typical lower league hoof ball that they are finding it extremely hard to adapt. It is obviously Clarke's job to get them to listen to him, but in IMO he's trying to change the culture at the club. He talks a good game, I just hope he can get his thoughts across to the players. And if some of the players can't adapt they should be shown the door. We're now aiming to be an attacking side who pass the ball - those stuck in the era of defensive long ball rubbish need to shape up or ship out. Fully agree Andy. Clark goes through the same emotions as me, and we replicate each other's body language through the game. I sit close to him, and what he says and does from the touchline is spot on.
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 4, 2009 13:57:47 GMT 1
You would struggle to convince me Lionel Ainsworth (for example) would not be more effective as an outlet on the halfway line in this situation than adding his defensive capabilities (!?!?) to an already crowded final third. I think thats a little unfair because we did try to use Ainsworth as an outlet. The problem was he gave the ball away far too easily and then had to track back to try and rectify his cock-up.[/quote] Not when defending corners we didn't (and that's what I was specifically talking about). Re Ainsworth note in my post " for example" There's not much LC can do if individual players make mistakes and the ball comes back at us, but when he has 11 men defending that deep & the ball is cleared & then comes back at us then IMHO it's the manager's fault.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2009 14:00:08 GMT 1
You would struggle to convince me Lionel Ainsworth (for example) would not be more effective as an outlet on the halfway line in this situation than adding his defensive capabilities (!?!?) to an already crowded final third. I think thats a little unfair because we did try to use Ainsworth as an outlet. The problem was he gave the ball away far too easily and then had to track back to try and rectify his cock-up. Not when defending corners we didn't (and that's what I was specifically talking about). Re Ainsworth note in my post " for example" There's not much LC can do if individual players make mistakes and the ball comes back at us, but when he has 11 men defending that deep & the ball is cleared & then comes back at us then IMHO it's the manager's fault.[/quote] Agreed
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Post by benhomly on Mar 4, 2009 14:15:21 GMT 1
We have to put games away and stop conceding late goals as it's costing us vital points. Brlliant Lee. None of us would have thought of that. do you expect him to say Would you rather he came out with some bullshit about having his dinner at home on Easter Sunday???
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 4, 2009 15:35:21 GMT 1
It is a good interview and id much rather hear our manager saying what we are doing wrong but trying to be positive where he can than listen to Turnip only interested on shifting the blame away from himself , or Ritchie talking like he was at a different match or wadsworth moaning on about how we aren't good enough.
The only thing Id pull Clark up on in that interview is where he says we have a good enough squad to go up. Sorry Lee, but if you think we will go up with the shocking strikers we have you are kidding yourself! Keeper yes, defenders yes, midfielders yes, but up front- no chance!
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