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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 4, 2009 1:59:00 GMT 1
I presume it's one thats not been worked on much in training! It might be an idea to in future.
There were so many in the wall Smithies could see absolutely knack all. he was having to virtually lie down to see the ball through the forest of legs.
And why on earth was no one on the post? It was flaming obvious the lad was going to shoot, so playing people on-side is pretty irrelevant.
They were all there, lining up with Smithies almost touching the grass with his chin behind them, and this HUGE open area of goal to aim at! I said to my mate ' Look at how much he has to aim at! Why isn't someone on that post? I could flaming well score this so I bet this guy does for certain!"
and sure enough!
Not sure someone on the post would have stopped it as it turned out cos it was right between the angle of post and crossbar, but it would have at least given him a smaller target to aim at, which when your keeper can't see where the shots going til its half way there ,is an advantage.
Christ its frustrating supporting this club at times
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Post by nickhtafc on Mar 4, 2009 2:01:55 GMT 1
Both me and the chap next to me thought he was going to score. Smithies basically gave him an open invitation to curl it in. He wouldn't have saved it anyway, but his positioning looked questionable.
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Post by stevvy on Mar 4, 2009 2:06:25 GMT 1
once their guy put the ball down,there was only 1 place it was going to go........sure enough,it went there
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Post by Dell12 on Mar 4, 2009 2:24:34 GMT 1
I'm not too sure we could do too much to defent the free kick. The ball didn't go through the wall so i'm not too sure the wall can be blamed.
In regards to putting people on the posts I don't agree. Playing them onside can obscure Smithies view and subsequently his ability to save the shot. I think maybe we just have to accept it was a great free kick, not that we should have given it away in the first place mind.
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Post by thomo on Mar 4, 2009 9:19:17 GMT 1
Both me and the chap next to me thought he was going to score. Smithies basically gave him an open invitation to curl it in. He wouldn't have saved it anyway, but his positioning looked questionable. I agree, Smithies positioning was very poor. Had he stood more centrally, the Colchester player would have tried to put more pace on the ball and then I doubt the placement would have been as good. But he's a great keeper and will learn these things eventually. |
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Post by midge on Mar 4, 2009 9:28:54 GMT 1
I sat right in line with the 6 yard area and pointed out to my mate that he was far too far off his line!!!
Anything remotely over the wall and in the top half of the goal and it was in!! (Not even sure that it did go right in the top corner Skip but will no doubt see from the replay!!
Taking critisism away from Smithies however, I am guessing that this is the way they are coached to defend free kicks and wondered also if having players on the line would be a better option! (although I understand the arguments against that also!)
The other pet hate of mine which we seem to have employed lately is no one on the back post at corners!!!!
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Post by terracesider on Mar 4, 2009 9:49:57 GMT 1
80 yards away in the K/B stand we could see a huge gap for the kicker to aim at - and what did he do - stuck it in. I wonder what our "Premiership quality" management team, not to mention two very experienced central defenders (one of them pushing 600 games) do all the rest of the week - play snooker in the bar???
C'mon Town
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Post by Floyds on Mar 4, 2009 9:56:47 GMT 1
yeah - typical town again im sorry captain - that back four and central midfield two is not good enough to see us challenge next season how many examples of lost concentration, stupid free kicks/penalties conceded etc do you need to see? you complain about Butler (again), Goodwin (again) - our fullbacks had poor games (again) - yet you still believe we are good enough at the back both individually and collectively to get promoted next season? christ - 4 points we have lost in the last 2 games from sheer stupidity  haha - gonna stop now otherwise ill get accused of being repetitive / negative / let clark get on with the job etc ;D |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 4, 2009 10:17:26 GMT 1
Well I can't argue that collectively the play was poor last night and the defending at that free kick could have been a lot better.
Butler had a bad game but I don't recall complaining about his form for a long time as hes been playing well for months now on the whole. Similarly with Goodwin on the whole.
You say again that our defence isn't good enough. Last night they weren't at their best, any of them, but how many saves did our keeper have to make last night? How many chances did a decent Colchester side create? Im trying to remember ONE ! We were missing our best, most dominant defender against a decent side and fell victim to two set pieces, but other than that they couldn't break us down at all.
Don't know if you've ever played the game Floyds but anyone who has knows playing in a blustery gale is the hardest and a nightmare for defenders especially as its so hard to judge what the ball's doing.
I don't expect us to win every game you know and accept we'll have poor performances and bad luck now and then.
Nothing that happened last night changes the fact that if we'd had 1 or 2 decent strikers we would now be in the top 3.
SAME DEFENCE, SAME MIDFIELD - TOP 3
In fact after another game where we had NOTHING up front and the stats move on to 2 games in the last 20 now where any of our strikers have scored, it just makes it even more obvious.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 4, 2009 10:34:45 GMT 1
yeah - typical town again im sorry captain - that back four and central midfield two is not good enough to see us challenge next season how many examples of lost concentration, stupid free kicks/penalties conceded etc do you need to see? you complain about Butler (again), Goodwin (again) - our fullbacks had poor games (again) - yet you still believe we are good enough at the back both individually and collectively to get promoted next season? christ - 4 points we have lost in the last 2 games from sheer stupidity haha - gonna stop now otherwise ill get accused of being repetitive / negative / let clark get on with the job etc ;D To be fair Smithies made one save all night ... in the 93rd minute. So I would argue he got decent protection from the back four We lost because Goodwin had a brainmelt and handed them - literally - a penalty (which was expertly taken otherwise Smithies had gone the right way and would have got it IMO) Then the other goal was a amazing free kick, I don't think Manchester United's defence could have stopped that one! |
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Post by terracesider on Mar 4, 2009 12:30:19 GMT 1
Manchester United's attacking players (esp Christiano) would have been salivating at the view I had of the wide open space at the left hand side of our goal just before the free - kick was taken. All the forward had to do was lift it over the SEVEN man wall I'll be buggered!
Never mind "motivational" coaches and a lot of crap about tactics what we need first & foremost is defenders who can think on their feet and DEFEND.
C'mon Town
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Post by Floyds on Mar 4, 2009 12:33:40 GMT 1
Yep we do need a striker (or two)
But we also need to stop giving away penalties / free kicks in the 90th minute / losing concentration in injury time / getting over run in midfield / conceding soft goals
And until that is sorted out we are going no where
We cant be having to score 3 and 4 goals in most games in order to pick up three points - it isnt sustainable
All areas of the pitch need work - not just our total lack of striking options
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 4, 2009 12:43:02 GMT 1
Yep we do need a striker (or two) But we also need to stop giving away penalties / free kicks in the 90th minute / losing concentration in injury time / getting over run in midfield / conceding soft goals And until that is sorted out we are going no where We cant be having to score 3 and 4 goals in most games in order to pick up three points - it isnt sustainable All areas of the pitch need work - not just our total lack of striking options And we need to stop defending deep (18yd line) and inviting pressure on us. At Stockport we had a 5 man defence for last 15/20 mins but just sat at the edge of the pen area and gave the ball straight back to the oppostion who then had another go at us. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 4, 2009 13:02:10 GMT 1
Yep we do need a striker (or two) But we also need to stop giving away penalties / free kicks in the 90th minute / losing concentration in injury time / getting over run in midfield / conceding soft goals And until that is sorted out we are going no where We cant be having to score 3 and 4 goals in most games in order to pick up three points - it isnt sustainable All areas of the pitch need work - not just our total lack of striking options And we need to stop defending deep (18yd line) and inviting pressure on us. At Stockport we had a 5 man defence for last 15/20 mins but just sat at the edge of the pen area and gave the ball straight back to the oppostion who then had another go at us. This stems from us having no pace at the back, they seek the sanctuary of the 18 yard box as they cant then get rinsed behind. Perfectly good tactic against teams that do have genuine pace up front but how many do? Colchester certainly didnt last night and neither did Stockport. We could have defended the half way line last night and wouldn't have got cught out for pace. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 4, 2009 13:41:44 GMT 1
With Lucketti at centre back? Are you sure?
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Post by terrier67 on Mar 4, 2009 14:04:20 GMT 1
It seems to me we go ahead, enter the last 5/10/15/20 minutes of a game and panic.
We don't have a back 5 on the 18 yard line, we have a back 8 or 9. How many times did we get the ball out - not even to the half way line, only for all our players to be in or at the edge of our box. We seem to lose out shape completey, so we can't pass it out, and we can't hoof it to anyone either. It's bound to end up in our net as it comes back so often and so quickly.
I didn't think Colchester did anything special but get close enough to our goal for us to make a mistake and give away a free kick/penalty.
I thought we might go on to get 3 or 4 last night, but we just backed off unfortunately.
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 4, 2009 14:11:34 GMT 1
With Lucketti at centre back? Are you sure? The other 3 arn't quick but they arnt as slow as Lucketti! And Platt an his mate were hardly quick were they? |
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