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Post by kleverboy on Mar 7, 2009 23:09:10 GMT 1
Clark and his management team have barely begun. They'll be assessing and re-assessing at every turn . It may take a lot longer than many fans want... but I would much prefer our success to be long standing when it does arrive because the club has been built on firm foundations and is strong from top to bottom, rather than some 'throw a bit of money at it' quick fix policy.
If it takes them two or three years, then so be it. We have to be very, very patient. There is no alternative. This is the best chance of success this club has had in many a year, and the way football is now, it may never come round again. Don't let's blow it by demanding everything today. It makes their job so much harder if we are constantly questioning them at every poor result... it's like tying one hand behind their backs.
Clark and his team will get total backing from this particular quarter.
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Post by digwon on Mar 7, 2009 23:10:40 GMT 1
erm didnt i see you talking about Man city and Everton in court this week ;-)
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Post by cecerececerececere on Mar 7, 2009 23:17:28 GMT 1
The absalote minimum Clark should be given is this time next year unless there are major major problems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 23:18:35 GMT 1
i agree klev we need to be patient.its hard after days like today though
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 7, 2009 23:19:06 GMT 1
Well said Reece, bit of sense.
Luckily, we know that Hoyle will give them the time they need.
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Post by bro600 on Mar 7, 2009 23:22:17 GMT 1
I think Boothy proved in the 2nd half that we have something to build on.
A striker with more mobility and just as much presence and we;d be talking a completely different ball game.
I believe we are so close i can smell success.
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Post by kleverboy on Mar 7, 2009 23:22:21 GMT 1
Well said Reece, bit of sense. Luckily, we know that Hoyle will give them the time they need. Bless ya, Tom... Knew we'd see eye to eye eventually!  UTT! |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 7, 2009 23:25:59 GMT 1
Got to give the new regime a pre-season and at least one full season to get their ideas across to the existing players and to hopefully get their own players in. Otherwise - what is the point in appointing them?
They have my support, for sure, but I'd like to see some of the old old old problems that have dogged Town for several seasons (specifically conceding goals at daft times and being unduly negative when in front in games) being addressed a little quicker than they appear to be...
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Post by Keza! on Mar 7, 2009 23:26:53 GMT 1
This season will prove naf-all.
Next season is the one to watch! ;D
I recon top 10 finish for sure.
Clarkey for longtime gaffer!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2009 23:53:58 GMT 1
Good post KB, while there's a few doubting Clark already, its good to see the majority still support him, because our support is crucial. We all need to be pulling together. Its so frustrating to see people turning on him already.
When we win 2-0 on Tuesday night hopefully a few of them will come back on side.
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Post by Admin on Mar 8, 2009 0:53:34 GMT 1
Good post KB, while there's a few doubting Clark already, its good to see the majority still support him, because our support is crucial. We all need to be pulling together. Its so frustrating to see people turning on him already. When we win 2-0 on Tuesday night hopefully a few of them will come back on side. 2-0? We got a reserve or academy match on tuesday as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 0:56:11 GMT 1
Good post KB, while there's a few doubting Clark already, its good to see the majority still support him, because our support is crucial. We all need to be pulling together. Its so frustrating to see people turning on him already. When we win 2-0 on Tuesday night hopefully a few of them will come back on side. 2-0? We got a reserve or academy match on tuesday as well? I really hope I'm searching back for this post in a drunken haze in the early hours of Wednesday morning, ready to say I told you so  |
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Post by Admin on Mar 8, 2009 1:09:01 GMT 1
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 8, 2009 1:31:19 GMT 1
klever i think the management team will get support from 99% of people and i for one do not want to see another management team leave before they've had time to learn the players names. i've no doubt they will suceed here but FFS they have to send lukas back he is awful!
today was a very bitter pill to swallow, uselessvitch is taking my anger from today!
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Post by malcolmbrown on Mar 8, 2009 8:59:42 GMT 1
I agree. Hoyle is the best thing that's happened to this club for years.
Those that booed at the end should be ashamed of themselves. Yes it's frustrating to concede in the last minute again, but I don't think the players need us to point that out to them.
I have to agree about the views on Jut....ietz or whatever he's called. From the moment he arrived he's looked lethargic. It's almost as though he can't be bothered playing for a third division club.
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Post by Chris461 on Mar 8, 2009 10:38:58 GMT 1
Thank god, a thread with sense *throws away rope*. Clark is here for the long term, this season was written off many months ago and to say we've only just thrown our chances away is a bonus in itself. Next season will see Town really progress, with a great backing I'm sure Clark can bring in the right players to do the job. I'm still baffled as to the fact that some people just can't see in the long term. Thank god Dean can.
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Post by thrice on Mar 8, 2009 10:44:00 GMT 1
I'm fully in support of the current regime but to say they need 2/3 years to get us out of this league is not on. If they have the same funding and support that they have had this year then a top six finish must be the absolute minimum expectation again next season.
That said I still think that we should be giving our all in every minute until the end of this season because you never know what can happen in football.
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Post by htfc94 on Mar 8, 2009 10:47:00 GMT 1
This club has the best feeling of optimism I have ever seen, Next season we will put up a good fight, but like the thread started, we have to give it time, so it could be a few seasons before we are a big force in the Championship.
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Post by runner76 on Mar 8, 2009 11:01:59 GMT 1
Well Said Kleverboy.
It is really frustrating, particularly when we appear to be so near the play off spots, but the reality is we are simply not good enough this season to go up, and that is not LC's fault.
Let's not forget this is his first season at town, but more importantly, his first season as a manager!!!
Success for me will be sitting here this time next year, in the play offs at least, and still knowing we have a lot more to offer.
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Post by Floyds on Mar 8, 2009 11:24:46 GMT 1
Clark will get the backing in the summer from Dean Hoyle, and the fans will be 100% with him next season im sure.
But he has to learn from recent results and performances if we are to progress.
Heard that he kept the players in for 40 minutes after the game - definitely encouraging to see.
If he gets lulled into this "buy one decent striker and we will go up" thinking on this board - that for me is the worst thing that could happen
The players and squad we have isnt good enough - and im sure he is starting to see this as well.
Hopefully before the end of the season we will see some new ideas, tactics being tried - and we need to pick up an away win.
Long term we may be ok - but this club and these players have been underachieving for far too long for it to change overnight. Ckark has a big job on in the summer........
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Post by digwon on Mar 8, 2009 11:41:29 GMT 1
i dont think we should worry too much about people booing at the end i certainly vented my fustration at the final whistle,the performance was terrible just like the Colchester game,fans allways will say it as they see it,then go home cool off,then back to giving their full backing at the next game hoping for improvment,anybody who doesnt realise it takes a bit of time dont understand the game anyway so they`l be watching Jeff Steling next season instead sat booing a tv screen
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Post by shawsie on Mar 8, 2009 19:27:05 GMT 1
Clark will get the backing in the summer from Dean Hoyle, and the fans will be 100% with him next season im sure. But he has to learn from recent results and performances if we are to progress. Heard that he kept the players in for 40 minutes after the game - definitely encouraging to see. If he gets lulled into this "buy one decent striker and we will go up" thinking on this board - that for me is the worst thing that could happen The players and squad we have isnt good enough - and im sure he is starting to see this as well. Hopefully before the end of the season we will see some new ideas, tactics being tried - and we need to pick up an away win. Long term we may be ok - but this club and these players have been underachieving for far too long for it to change overnight. Ckark has a big job on in the summer........ Totally agree floyds - clark is hopefully here for the long term and barring the odd exception no single player can moan they havent had an opportunity to "do it" on the pitch this season. They havent because some or alot of em arent quite good enough - not all of em by any means but two new strikers will not solve everything and we need to back the manager in changing the mentality of the club from top to bottom.Winning some big games (i.e. leeds at home) and following it up with 2 pts from 4 games aint what is needed and new blood is required in a few areas. |
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Post by yorkterrier on Mar 8, 2009 19:44:54 GMT 1
It has to be a long term arrangment I agree, but I cannot understand the over rated optomism about next season.
We are no different now than we have been for years. We still start the game with that stupid conceding into touch centre, we still cannot kill a game off (I dont mean goals, I just mean slowing the play, spoiling etc) and we still concede late goals.
These are 'simple' things not too complex.
As I say I am very much behind this managment team and all positives it brings, but I want that positivity to be transformed into results, not unsubstantiated optomism
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Post by shawsie on Mar 8, 2009 20:01:11 GMT 1
It has to be a long term arrangment I agree, but I cannot understand the over rated optomism about next season. We are no different now than we have been for years. We still start the game with that stupid conceding into touch centre, we still cannot kill a game off (I dont mean goals, I just mean slowing the play, spoiling etc) and we still concede late goals. These are 'simple' things not too complex. As I say I am very much behind this managment team and all positives it brings, but I want that positivity to be transformed into results, not unsubstantiated optomism I think you will find good reason for optimism york - clark will get the funds in the summer to bring in much needed quality in several areas and that is likely to mean the end of the road for some current first teamers who have just not done it consistently enough. This season has been a missed opportunity, but the groundwork has now been done to get a driven youthful manager in with an experienced backroom team and an overhaul of the academy/scouting is ongoing - these are done for the long term success of the club not a short term fix. |
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Post by yorkterrier on Mar 8, 2009 20:11:19 GMT 1
I agree mate really I do, yet the points I raise are not down to quality, they are very basic things.
Several times yesterday, we didnt know whether we were coming or going, we were taking throw ins when the ref had clearly (what a shocker he had by the way) indicated a free kick. Holdsworth ran over the ball instead of knocking it to Smithies 50 yards away who had to come and retrieve the ball and to cap it all, we had 3 goes at taking a free kick when they were caught offside, from inside their half!!
You and I could slow the game down in the last few minutes instead of flapping, we dont need to spend money to achieve that.
Like I say, I am really behind the staff, Hoyle and co, but I still see the door with basic's written on it still being ajar.
Up the town!
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 8, 2009 20:55:37 GMT 1
Clark and his management team have barely begun. They'll be assessing and re-assessing at every turn . It may take a lot longer than many fans want... but I would much prefer our success to be long standing when it does arrive because the club has been built on firm foundations and is strong from top to bottom, rather than some 'throw a bit of money at it' quick fix policy. If it takes them two or three years, then so be it. We have to be very, very patient. There is no alternative. This is the best chance of success this club has had in many a year, and the way football is now, it may never come round again. Don't let's blow it by demanding everything today. It makes their job so much harder if we are constantly questioning them at every poor result... it's like tying one hand behind their backs. Clark and his team will get total backing from this particular quarter. totally agree. I just hope the support doesn't dwindle. mr hoyle has investing millions and whatever the price the season tickets are next season, he deserves our support. we're going up as next years champions!!!!!!!! all we need is a centre back, a right back 2 strikers and perhaps a centre midfielder!!!!!!!!!!! bring it on! |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 8, 2009 21:54:41 GMT 1
While I agree with most of the sentiments on this thread, I have to disagree with some of the ideas that 2 decent strikers won't make a difference. I believe that, while I would like to strengthen at the back too, I'm not sure whether the squad will change as much as some people think, due to people being signed on longer term contracts and us not being able to get rid of them. However, 2 decent strikers will make our team look far stronger, as if they are converting the numerous chances we have made (til recently), our defence will not be under anywhere near the same amount of pressure we are at the moment. Patience from us is the key, as it is not Clark's fault that we have seen too many false dawns before, he has to be given the time he needs. I think Kleverboy was trying to say that if Rita had got rid of Norris within a couple of weeks of him starting at the Kabin, we would all have missed out on the quality team they are today |
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