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Post by oldmanboothy on Mar 9, 2009 18:49:47 GMT 1
I'm not trying to make Steve Black a scapegoat. I find it ridiculous, that as a an argument for his defence, you all claim that Town are fitter, and have a better mindset. I am not trying to make him a scapegoat, i'm asking, 'What's the point?'. baldingboothy(lol), how can you say he has instilled belief and togetherness in our squad? Belief and togetherness are not defined, by players coming out and making ambling comments such as "Yea, brilliant ground, brilliant set-up, we're going to the premiership us". That's optimism, and to a small extent propaganda, to get the Town fans on side. Fitzyblue, you can't argue against my Jonny Wilkinson post. We've got a fitness coach who's biggest achievement in the sports world is coaching Jonny Wilkinson. There's only one way it could have been worse- if he'd been Darren Andertons coach. TFB, you only have to see how the players react to results these days to see the togetherness within the squad. Clark and Steve Black both make a concerted effort themselves to pat each player on the back and thank them for their efforts, regardless of how they have played and what the result may have been. I am not talking about the media spin (personally i think the pressure to get promotion comes more from within the club than from the fans) but surely you can see how much more the players are enjoying playing for Town since the demise of Stan Ternant and the introduction of Clark? The football we are playing, whatever you may think, is much better now than it was earlier in the season. This is a fact. Watch videos from previous performances in the Stan era and compare them to that of now. We are passing the ball around, we are getting crosses into the box, we just have naff all to finish it off. The point of Steve Black is to attempt to get the players to enjoy their football, to give them the confidence to try things on the pitch without the fear of how the crowd might react, to get them to work for each other rather than just for themselves, and ultimately to give them that winning mentality that all successful football teams need. Give the man time, we will see the rewards he brings.
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 9, 2009 18:53:45 GMT 1
Questioning Steve Black already? Get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 0:30:17 GMT 1
to be honest futures i dont give a flying about johnny wilkinson,i m only saying lets give him a shot at it.i m only going on talking to the players and my experience in the game.they idolise him as do some very respected people in the game.just think its grasping at straws to judge him so soon.dont worry mate if he fails i ll join the queue asking for hm off the payroll.next years our year utt
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Mar 10, 2009 1:21:55 GMT 1
he s the guy who as pioneered a totally new trend in fitness and preparation.the word on the street is the players feel as fit as theyve ever done.they dont stretch the same, warm up the same,and other clubs,even other sports are looking into his methods.give him time try not to be so narrow minded.they inherited a playing staff riddled with self doubt n lack of confidence,like i keep saying they ll get it right no doubts.i want it today too but we ll have to wait "RIDDLED WITH SELF DOUBT AND LACK OF CONFIDENCE." They had just won 4 games out of 5 including 3 straight away from home. I don't see much self doubt or lack of confidence in that. Since Clark and his team came in they have got 2 points out of 18 away from home and been outscored 5-13. To me THAT seems like "riddled with doubt and lack of confidence". I am willing to give Lee and his merry men some time but you must agree the performances to date have not been sparkling. He has only garnered 3 points more than Stan did in 15 games and we thought he was crap.
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Mar 10, 2009 2:28:51 GMT 1
he s the guy who as pioneered a totally new trend in fitness and preparation.the word on the street is the players feel as fit as theyve ever done.they dont stretch the same, warm up the same,and other clubs,even other sports are looking into his methods.give him time try not to be so narrow minded.they inherited a playing staff riddled with self doubt n lack of confidence,like i keep saying they ll get it right no doubts.i want it today too but we ll have to wait "RIDDLED WITH SELF DOUBT AND LACK OF CONFIDENCE." They had just won 4 games out of 5 including 3 straight away from home. I don't see much self doubt or lack of confidence in that. Since Clark and his team came in they have got 2 points out of 18 away from home and been outscored 5-13. To me THAT seems like "riddled with doubt and lack of confidence". I am willing to give Lee and his merry men some time but you must agree the performances to date have not been sparkling. He has only garnered 3 points more than Stan did in 15 games and we thought he was crap. BUT the way things are being moulded, the way the club is IS just different and improved from the Ternent era. You really need to be at games and around the local area to understand the true value of the way things are going. When you are so far away you can only go on what you read. I'm sure many on here agree that it just feels different/improved and is very very positive for the future. The performances in some instances have been sparkling. In fairness you wouldnt know would you.
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Mar 10, 2009 6:25:52 GMT 1
"RIDDLED WITH SELF DOUBT AND LACK OF CONFIDENCE." They had just won 4 games out of 5 including 3 straight away from home. I don't see much self doubt or lack of confidence in that. Since Clark and his team came in they have got 2 points out of 18 away from home and been outscored 5-13. To me THAT seems like "riddled with doubt and lack of confidence". I am willing to give Lee and his merry men some time but you must agree the performances to date have not been sparkling. He has only garnered 3 points more than Stan did in 15 games and we thought he was crap. BUT the way things are being moulded, the way the club is IS just different and improved from the Ternent era. You really need to be at games and around the local area to understand the true value of the way things are going. When you are so far away you can only go on what you read. I'm sure many on here agree that it just feels different/improved and is very very positive for the future. The performances in some instances have been sparkling. In fairness you wouldnt know would you. Re your last comment, true, I admit that the video "highlights" do not give an accurate picture of 90 minutes, but on the other hand while Oggy tends to have blue tinted glasses Kieran seems to tell it as it really is. He says they are good when they are good and bad when they are bad. At the end of the day it is goals and points that count and to Clark only got 3 points more than Stan from an equal number of games. Hopefully he will learn and Town will progress.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 10, 2009 9:01:23 GMT 1
I'm not trying to make Steve Black a scapegoat. I find it ridiculous, that as a an argument for his defence, you all claim that Town are fitter, and have a better mindset. I am not trying to make him a scapegoat, i'm asking, 'What's the point?'. baldingboothy(lol), how can you say he has instilled belief and togetherness in our squad? Belief and togetherness are not defined, by players coming out and making ambling comments such as "Yea, brilliant ground, brilliant set-up, we're going to the premiership us". That's optimism, and to a small extent propaganda, to get the Town fans on side. Fitzyblue, you can't argue against my Jonny Wilkinson post. We've got a fitness coach who's biggest achievement in the sports world is coaching Jonny Wilkinson. There's only one way it could have been worse- if he'd been Darren Andertons coach. shall we blame him for cads injureies aswell? have you ever seen the way jonny wilkinson played rugby? im not suprised his body has being a car wreak this long, the guy puts it ont the line every time he stepped on the pitch. but thats blacks fault isnt it? well yes becuase the reason he put it on the line everytime was due to the motivaion instilled in him. he and wilkinson used to work together for hours after training. i for one would love black to grenerate that kind of ambition, drive, confidence, fighting, ability, motinvation, quality and fitness in our squad.
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Post by blueb on Mar 10, 2009 12:56:56 GMT 1
A fitness coach that's 15 stone plus, a fitness coach who's players have conceded 3 90+ minute goals in the last 3 games, a fitness coach who once coached the famous Jonny 'sicknote' Wilkinson. How many games has he played since the 2003 world cup? 'Nuff said Nuff Said ? It certainly is, enough for all to realise you don't have a clue.
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Post by upthetown on Mar 10, 2009 13:28:46 GMT 1
BUT the way things are being moulded, the way the club is IS just different and improved from the Ternent era. You really need to be at games and around the local area to understand the true value of the way things are going. When you are so far away you can only go on what you read. I'm sure many on here agree that it just feels different/improved and is very very positive for the future. The performances in some instances have been sparkling. In fairness you wouldnt know would you. Re your last comment, true, I admit that the video "highlights" do not give an accurate picture of 90 minutes, but on the other hand while Oggy tends to have blue tinted glasses Kieran seems to tell it as it really is. He says they are good when they are good and bad when they are bad. At the end of the day it is goals and points that count and to Clark only got 3 points more than Stan from an equal number of games. Hopefully he will learn and Town will progress. Kieran? He is most negative sod going... sorry, but not having that he "tells it as it is"... most games we get back to the car, having played well but not killed teams off... and Kieran is going on and on about how bad things are. We are a decent striker (or two) short of a very good side at this level. The extra 10+ goals a decent striker would have got, would have seen a few of those 29 points dropped from winning positions retained!
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Mar 10, 2009 13:32:24 GMT 1
id hope any decent striker we have got would have 20+ goals not 10+ at this point in season seen as though our stikers have about 5 goals between the 6/7 of them
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 10, 2009 13:43:29 GMT 1
I agree with upthetown69 - everybody sees the game differently. And one game I can't remember which, he was so negative yet I was quite happy with the performance. I think we'd won as well. Mind you it was under ST and I got the impression KOR had a personal problem with him.
Nobody is and ever will be totally objective.
Anyway new ideas unbelievably take time to fully implement - the players that struggle will ultimately get replaced with ones that embrace his playing style. We will get there with LC et al. And being town it will never be an easy ride. So hang on and enjoy it!
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 10, 2009 15:51:08 GMT 1
Give him time, he's a coah, not a miracle worker! Do you expect him to turn cadamarteri into ronaldo? If you mean the original ronaldo he's succeded,he's not fit and doesnt score ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2009 15:57:14 GMT 1
youre right davidp there was a mini revival under gerry.as he introduced our academy lads that were nt playing under stan.look at our history since admin.a steady progression of youth brought through ,jacko championed it, ritchie had to roll with em then stan turned the club on its head {or arse } we need stability.gerry s now gone.a five game break does nt install all the belief back.he hit this club like a f***ing whirlwind
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