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Post by boothys9iron on Mar 8, 2009 14:14:30 GMT 1
If we cant get the south stand next season, how would people feel about a standing terrace in the FM lower???
No problems with being told to sit down,
It would be packed every game,
Would be an excellent atmosphere,
A new home for the Cowshed Loyal and other passionate fans,
Would be great in the second half when town are kicking towards us!
Iv never sat in this stand but iv heard people saying its a poor view of the game....even more reason to stand up in there!!!
Also as the stand is a temporary one, so it should be pretty straight forward and inexpensive to make it a standing section??
I know this will never happen but i would be straight in there!
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Mar 8, 2009 15:02:04 GMT 1
think it would be a great idea. I really do, but cant see the club spending money on a standing area.
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Post by runner76 on Mar 8, 2009 15:06:20 GMT 1
There'll not be a standing section allowed, but it would be great...............
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Post by mids on Mar 8, 2009 15:13:30 GMT 1
There'll not be a standing section allowed, but it would be great...............
The Football Supporters Federation has learned that Morecambe Football Club are to become the first league club in England or Wales to incorporate Safe Standing areas into their new stadium.
At a shareholders AGM last night it was revealed that directors viewed an all-seated stadium as inappropriate and the club’s new 7,000 stadium would include 5,000 Safe Standing places with plenty of room to develop should the club be promoted from League Two.
The Shrimps, who hope to move into the new ground in time for the 20010-11 season, will raise significant amounts from the sale of their current ground’s land. The club will therefore be debt free and ownership of the newly built ground will rest with the Trust that owned has owned their current stadium since the 1920s.
The move will be welcomed by Safe Standing campaigners, including the FSF, who have long argued that with new technology and crowd management techniques standing is not inherently unsafe......The momentum keeps growing....even Everton are considering it....this could be something to put pressure on the Safety Committee about.... EVERTON FC chief executive Keith Wyness has revealed the club would be interested in the possible return of a limited standing area, if they proceed with a proposed move to a new stadium.
In what is certain to be a controversial speech, the Goodison official told a House of Commons seminar that Everton might be interested in a pilot scheme if the Government changed the current all-seating ground regulations.
Mr Wyness stressed he was aware of the sensitivity of the issue after standing was originally banned following the Lord Justice Taylor report into the 1989 Hillsborough disaster when 96 Liverpool FC fans lost their lives.
Mr Wyness told the seminar: “As you can all imagine, this is a very sensitive issue because of where we are situated. We are looking for a new stadium and one of our options is that we could have a standing area. I personally went to Germany recently and watched a game at Cologne and was amazed by the atmosphere in the standing area. If the Government will discuss it, we may be prepared to offer ourselves as a trial if necessary.”
Phil Gatenby, who was at the Commons as the Football Supporters’ Federation’s safe standing officer, said: “Keith Wyness stood up with a microphone in front of 50 people to make his comments.”
Liberal Democrat MP Mike Hancock has tabled a motion in Parliament for the return of standing areas and attended Wednesday’s seminar about safe standing at football. Mr Hancock said: “Mr Wyness said he understood it was a sensitive issue, because of the location, and out of the respect the club has for its neighbours. They would want to do it along the lines of covered seats that could be taken out or locked away as they do in Germany, which I favour as a very good system. They only said they were looking to see if it could be done as they build the new stadium.
The standing areas would not be huge, nobody is suggesting that. Perhaps 10% of the stadium could be made available for certain games – for example, European games are covered by UEFA rules and must be seated. He said in this process, if it was to be looked into and one club was to try and experiment, he would want to offer the club, only because it is a new build. To be fair to him, he said he understood and respected the sensitivities in Liverpool and made that quite clear.”
The official inquiry into the Leppings Lane crush at Sheffield Wednesday’s Hillsborough ground, conducted by Lord Taylor, blamed poor policing and inadequate facilities for the tragedy, but the main recommendation was for the introduction of all-seater stadia and the removal of perimeter fencing.
Now 136 MPs have backed Mr Hancock’s Early Day Motion for “the Government to re-examine the case for introducing, small, limited sections of safe standing areas”. Conservative Party leader David Cameron has agreed to talks if elected. Everton FC was the only Premiership football club represented at the seminar.
Last night, Hillsborough justice campaigner Jenni Hicks, who lost daughters, Sarah, 15, and Vicki, 19, in the tragedy, said: “I don’t want to say anything personal about Everton, but I am surprised that another Liverpool club is wanting to do this. I’m definitely against standing in football grounds.”
But fellow campaigner Shaun Smith said small, well-supervised standing areas could be acceptable in future.
He added: “The bottom line is, as long as the standing area is not extensively large and is well monitored, we would be supportive of that.”
Everton fans, too, approached the idea with caution. Richard Lewis, of independent group Everton Shareholders 2005, said: “I’m surprised, as we meet with Keith Wyness quarterly and there has never been any mention of this.
“It’s a backwards step from when stadiums didn’t have the technology to provide seats on different tiers.
“But if supporters want it, the club wants it, and it’s completely controlled and monitored, I imagine it would be harmless.”
Amanda Mathews, from Stand Up Sit Down, a group campaigning to give supporters the choice, praised Mr Wyness for taking part in the debate. She said: “This is a brave step, as this was a public meeting. We very much hope that Everton’s open-mindedness on this issue will cause other Premiership clubs to follow suit and join in the discussion on behalf of their supporters.” |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 15:14:15 GMT 1
I mentioned this to Sean Jarvis in a meeting along with the possibility of a temporary perspex roof to keep the noise in and the weather out.
I think we're allowed to have a standing area whilst in League 1 but if promoted to the Championship you only get a short amount of time to remove the standing area to make it all seater.
I think it would be great if we could turn it into a standing area - they are only temp seats in there at the mo and are easily interchangeable.
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Post by yorkterrier on Mar 8, 2009 15:23:46 GMT 1
I have been in several grounds throughout the world (Germany 1 ENGLAND 5 - what a night) where the seating area converts to standing. When I say converts, I mean that the seat back acts as a leaning post for the seat behind. This ensures that there is no crushing risk so remember, you would be standing in the seats, nothing like the cowshed!
While we are on the subject, why do other teams still have standing areas, Cardiff for example?
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Post by NookTerrier on Mar 8, 2009 15:28:21 GMT 1
I mentioned this to Sean Jarvis in a meeting along with the possibility of a temporary perspex roof to keep the noise in and the weather out. I think we're allowed to have a standing area whilst in League 1 but if promoted to the Championship you only get a short amount of time to remove the standing area to make it all seater. I think it would be great if we could turn it into a standing area - they are only temp seats in there at the mo and are easily interchangeable. It would get in the way of the FM Stand's boxes view when shooting our way so they could only see goals going the opposite way ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 15:32:13 GMT 1
I mentioned this to Sean Jarvis in a meeting along with the possibility of a temporary perspex roof to keep the noise in and the weather out. I think we're allowed to have a standing area whilst in League 1 but if promoted to the Championship you only get a short amount of time to remove the standing area to make it all seater. I think it would be great if we could turn it into a standing area - they are only temp seats in there at the mo and are easily interchangeable. It would get in the way of the FM Stand's boxes view when shooting our way so they could only see goals going the opposite way ;D Not if it slopes downwards or goes above the boxes ;D |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 8, 2009 15:36:22 GMT 1
Mids, with the evidence you have presented, I take it back!!! I assumed it was law that clubs could not have standing sections (in new grounds at least)...................here's hoping it is introduced!!!
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Post by ritchie on Mar 8, 2009 15:53:28 GMT 1
While we are on the subject, why do other teams still have standing areas, Cardiff for example? Cardiff are getting a new stadium so they were allowed to keep the standing untill they move to the new one, that will be all seated. |
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Post by Sid on Mar 8, 2009 16:58:24 GMT 1
It would get in the way of the FM Stand's boxes view when shooting our way so they could only see goals going the opposite way ;D Not if it slopes downwards or goes above the boxes ;D Boxes in the new Cowshed ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2009 17:24:22 GMT 1
Daft Idea, How am I supposed to sleep, stood up, when I'm being bored to near death on a Saturday Afternoon .
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Post by digwon on Mar 8, 2009 21:32:14 GMT 1
If we cant get the south stand next season, how would people feel about a standing terrace in the FM lower??? No problems with being told to sit down, It would be packed every game, Would be an excellent atmosphere, A new home for the Cowshed Loyal and other passionate fans, Would be great in the second half when town are kicking towards us! Iv never sat in this stand but iv heard people saying its a poor view of the game....even more reason to stand up in there!!! Also as the stand is a temporary one, so it should be pretty straight forward and inexpensive to make it a standing section?? I know this will never happen but i would be straight in there! it would cost quite a lot of money in concrete alone to convert,but it would be great to have a standing area |
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Post by cowshed28 on Mar 8, 2009 21:46:04 GMT 1
right on! the cowshed was legendary and built out of wood and mechano just like the FM lower - we could chuck bog roll on the pitch and stuff - as long as theres a crap little garden shed selling bovril in the corner.........
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Post by boothys9iron on Mar 8, 2009 22:08:46 GMT 1
If we cant get the south stand next season, how would people feel about a standing terrace in the FM lower??? No problems with being told to sit down, It would be packed every game, Would be an excellent atmosphere, A new home for the Cowshed Loyal and other passionate fans, Would be great in the second half when town are kicking towards us! Iv never sat in this stand but iv heard people saying its a poor view of the game....even more reason to stand up in there!!! Also as the stand is a temporary one, so it should be pretty straight forward and inexpensive to make it a standing section?? I know this will never happen but i would be straight in there! it would cost quite a lot of money in concrete alone to convert,but it would be great to have a standing area I'm not sure it would have to be concrete, as its a temporary stand it would have to be able to be taken down for concerts and stuff. But I'm sure it wouldn't over expensive to remodel for standing. The biggest obstacle would be the safety brigade and the FA, who would throw the idea out of the window without even looking at it!  |
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