25 Hours Later....

[panasonicgeese]

....and I'm still at the same level of f*cked off/angry as I was at 4.53pm yesterday (Mrs Geese, Chazza 2508 and Kieran have thankfully left me alone as conversation is not something I'm looking for at this moment in time).

I hope there are a number of players sat at home and feeling the same hurt as I am, if not they need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Clark and his staff are the way forward in my opinion, it's those that are not prepared to show courage and conviction that need to move on.

Me I would give body and soul to wear the blue and white stripes.

Anyone else still feeling the same?

[terrierng]

Mar 8, 2009 19:12:38 GMT 1 @panasonicgeese said:

....and I'm still at the same level of f*cked off/angry as I was at 4.53pm yesterday (Mrs Geese, Chazza 2508 and Kieran have thankfully left me alone as conversation is not something I'm looking for at this moment in time).

I hope there are a number of players sat at home and feeling the same hurt as I am, if not they need to take a long hard look at themselves.

Clark and his staff are the way forward in my opinion, it's those that are not prepared to show courage and conviction that need to move on.

Me I would give body and soul to wear the blue and white stripes.

Anyone else still feeling the same?

tbh no i felt that feeling a few weeks back after yeovil,i feared then the season was over,there will no doubt be a clear out and two strikers coming,if he had managed to get one of his targets in it could of been different,but unfortanatly it didnt work out,at least he knows whats wrong and will fix it but for me its all about the summer and next season now.

[Belfast_Boy]

Exactly the same! I came out of the game yesterday wanting to take on the Millwall fans single-handedly. Good thing i didn't or i'd probably be on the front page of the Examiner tomorrow, "1 7year-old boy raped and stabbed 12,476 times by Millwall fans". lol

Dya think perhaps we might need a new fitness coach? Maybe one that isn't 15 stone+, and actually gets the players fit. 'Cos their second goal highlighted our unfit players yesterday
IT HAPPENS ALL THE EFFING TIME, WE GET HIT ON THE BREAK AFTER A CORNER, grrrrrrrrrr

[shawsie]

Wasnt at the game yesterday, but it appears the same old failings appeared for the umpteenth time recently!!
That is surely because the same players are making the same mistakes and unless clark is prepared to wield the axe to one or two to blood some of the fringe players or ship them out and bring in permanent fresh blood then we may have to endure this continually going forward.
One way or another though we HAVE to stick with the current mgmt team and give them time to get it right - if any are to be given the boot, then its some of the players not mgmt team who should be shown the door. After all, three mgrs have come and gone in less than 3 yrs and the same failings remain evident!

[Deleted]

Many years ago i would get upset and kick the cat when i got home after a defeat, but now i just get on with things as i must have got used to it over nearly 50 years of watching town.
Yes it is hard to take watching the last 3 games and conceeding in the last minutes, but one thing i feel sure about is Lee Clark will sort things out.
Next season we should have a strikeforce to get us the goals and one or two more players in the jigsaw to make us even more stronger.

[jstorr13]

I don't like to lose, and that isn't so much because it is just a football game, but because defeat means the failure to reach your objective.

Never liked losing & never will but chin up and look on to the next game. Its the only way to get over it. Millwall were a good team and you can tell why they are amongst the pack for promotion this season but we were so close to a good point which just makes the defeat 10x worse. But with it happening in the last 3 games it was predictable from the moment the Millwall player left his box.

Chin up Antichgeese, lets look onwards and upwards rather than kick ourselves on what we could have had.

UTT.

[Deleted]

its a classic case of the heart ruling the head mate.my heart is on its last legs now my head told me weeks ago we would nt make it.its still a great era dawning for us i know that,doesnt stop the pain i m still gutted now.all the evidence was there yesterday but you still cant stop thinking we ll just kick on any moment! suppose thats why we love town...........in sickness and in health.................take my hand......take my whole life too.....bastards lol

[longerz]

25 hours later your still shite and you lost get over it

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2009 23:05:19 GMT 1 @longerz said:

25 hours later your still shite and you lost get over it

Go away you spunk stain.

[Mastercracker]

I just saw the funny side of things yesterday to be honest. I had my angry pissed off moments at Crewe and Stockport, knew on the drive back from those games that is wasn't going to be.

Its been obvious for a few weeks that we just aren't good enough. Naive at Leicester, crap at Yeovil, good against Hartlepool but still didnt win, scraped wins against Leeds and Peterbrough, awful at Crewe, good at Stockport but didnt win, crap t'other night and crap yesterday. Like has been said in another thread it boils down to the striker situation in my opinion.

[Floyds]

Aye - i laughed as well when they scored - comical really wasnt it?

I mean - only Town....! ;D How many times have we said that this season?


The season was gone anyway - hopefully these type of performances will show LC that he isnt just one striker short of a promotion winning team and that he realises the job that he has got on re-shaping the squad in the summer

[pringle99]

Me too, when they scored nobody round me were surprised one bit. I had no feelings of anger. A millwall fan I spoke to said they were rubbish and came for a draw. So be it, even I have given up on the play offs and I optimistic to the point of being an idiot with regards to town.

[HuddsTerrier]

Mar 8, 2009 19:44:28 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Wasnt at the game yesterday, but it appears the same old failings appeared for the umpteenth time recently!!
That is surely because the same players are making the same mistakes and unless clark is prepared to wield the axe to one or two to blood some of the fringe players or ship them out and bring in permanent fresh blood then we may have to endure this continually going forward.

Same players Shawsie

I don't why you have such a downer on previous players but Saturday wasn't there fault at all!

12 months ago the team (which finshed so well) typically looked like

Glennon

Holdsworth
Skarz / Williams
Mirfin
Nathan Clarke
Page

Collins
Hudson / Berrett
Worthy

Booth
Schofield / Brandon

With a bench consisting of players like Beckett, Young, Hardy (all in BS North), Sinclar, Racchi (League Two, like Brandon and Hudson!), Killock (BSP)

You can see just how the better players "carried" the weaker ones a year ago and still got a top 10 finish despite being hamstrung by players not even up to League One standard never mind a promotion chasing League One team!

I count only 2/3 survivors who started yesterday (Holdsworth and Collins plus Williams)

It's a totally different side and to be honest I suspect the side that ended last season could still give our current side a good game, despite earning half what the current players get. Last year's side which ended the season with about 6 clean sheets certainly wouldn't have much problems dealing with Lucas and the rest of our toothless attacking line!

[wonderousworthy]

Hudson wasnt here last season!

[leedsterrier]

How ever many hours later and I'm still furious! I hope there are wholesale changes for the next game as some players have been poor for a number of games recently.

That lad from Everton is an absolute joke - my 92 year old gran is fitter than him! Boothy has start to start the next game - he may get knackered after 60 mins but at least he gives us more options than Crapovich.

[HuddsTerrier]

Mar 9, 2009 11:11:56 GMT 1 @wonderousworthy said:

Hudson wasnt here last season!

Doh swap for Berrett then - still not in the 16 on Saturday

[shawsie]

Mar 9, 2009 10:39:51 GMT 1 HuddsTerrier said:

Mar 8, 2009 19:44:28 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Wasnt at the game yesterday, but it appears the same old failings appeared for the umpteenth time recently!!
That is surely because the same players are making the same mistakes and unless clark is prepared to wield the axe to one or two to blood some of the fringe players or ship them out and bring in permanent fresh blood then we may have to endure this continually going forward.

Same players Shawsie

I don't why you have such a downer on previous players but Saturday wasn't there fault at all!

12 months ago the team (which finshed so well) typically looked like

Glennon

Holdsworth
Skarz / Williams
Mirfin
Nathan Clarke
Page

Collins
Hudson / Berrett
Worthy

Booth
Schofield / Brandon

With a bench consisting of players like Beckett, Young, Hardy (all in BS North), Sinclar, Racchi (League Two, like Brandon and Hudson!), Killock (BSP)

You can see just how the better players "carried" the weaker ones a year ago and still got a top 10 finish despite being hamstrung by players not even up to League One standard never mind a promotion chasing League One team!

I count only 2/3 survivors who started yesterday (Holdsworth and Collins plus Williams)

It's a totally different side and to be honest I suspect the side that ended last season could still give our current side a good game, despite earning half what the current players get. Last year's side which ended the season with about 6 clean sheets certainly wouldn't have much problems dealing with Lucas and the rest of our toothless attacking line!

Wasnt just referring to sat's game though hudds.
This season glennon, clarke, williams, collins, jevons, holdsworth, have been more or less mainstays of the matchday 16. Compare last seasons performances from them and this and is there a marked improvement in any of them - williams recently yes, but still no real consistency, clarke and collins similar and holdsworth looks like a man in need of a new challenge!
As for the end of last season, please remember that the matches were non-events in that not many of the sides we played had much to play for, although in fairness to murphy he did instill much needed confidence into the players.

[Floyds]

Alot of the players here before were not good enough

And the majority of signings we have made are not much better than them

All in all - slightly different players but same old town. Pilkington and Roberts have improved us, maybe Goodwin.

But who else from what must be 12 or 13 signings are any better than our previous players?

I think we should keep a core of Smithies, Clarke, Goodwin, Roberts, Pilkington and Ainsworth in the first 11 - and Collins, Williams, Butler in the 16. Berrett and TC maybe go on loan?

Apart from that though - i would attempt to offload them in any way possible. Maybe Bradford or Lincoln could take a couple from us?

[HuddsTerrier]

Jevons and Williams only made there debuts in December 2007, so to say in the first week of March 2009 they're part of the long term problem? Harsh maybe, I agree Jevons isn't right for Town but he's not the only one (see end of this post)

You may see Collins as a weak link, but Terry McDermott has publically said (in the Colchester program) he thinks he has Premiership potential. Also two seasons ago he was runner up for POTS, so not been consistency bad. Holdsworth is current POTS and because of ST has been messed about, if Liverpool played Gerrard (who gets most of there assists) at right back would people be wondering why he wasn't the same player!

Nathan Clarke is the only player likely to run Roberts close for Player of the Season this time - hardly part of the problem IMO!

Glennon unlucky to be a victim of circumstance. I mean Smithies would dislodge most League One and many Championship keepers, bad luck for Matt, but he's still a very good keeper in League One IMO

As Floyds has said I think the bigger issue is the high paid new players who have come in but have yet to live up to there wages, Lucketti, Flynn, Craney, Unsworth, Parker (not fair to include Denton) have really not improved the side IMO - we could give all of them frees and the side wouldn't be any worse IMO

[kosi]

Mar 8, 2009 23:33:15 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

I just saw the funny side of things yesterday to be honest. I had my angry pissed off moments at Crewe and Stockport, knew on the drive back from those games that is wasn't going to be.

Its been obvious for a few weeks that we just aren't good enough. Naive at Leicester, crap at Yeovil, good against Hartlepool but still didnt win, scraped wins against Leeds and Peterbrough, awful at Crewe, good at Stockport but didnt win, crap t'other night and crap yesterday. Like has been said in another thread it boils down to the striker situation in my opinion.

great post TL. Exactly How i saw i saturday and the last month or two