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Post by shawsie on Mar 14, 2009 18:01:43 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:- 1. We cant defend set pieces and are at times shambolic in this area. 2. Pilkington apart we offer little threat - roberts and collins might as well have stayed in huddersfield and if booth is on his own with no service its game over! 3. Our lack of aggression against sides like tranmere costs us so many times its ridiculous! 4. When do we ever change our tactics to good effect? Am sick of hearing we have good players at the club, i want to see them do it regularly on a bloody saturday! Am happy to give clark time to get it right, but losing limply to teams who show more passion, commitment, drive, organisation etc confirms that alot of what we have isnt good enough and his job in the summer is bigger than many thought. It is no ruddy good beating leeds and then not winning ANY of your next 6 - surgery is still needed with that squad!!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Mar 14, 2009 18:03:59 GMT 1
Sounds about right Shawsie. Very disappointing after that result against leeds when it all seemed on for us.
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Post by kinny2 on Mar 14, 2009 18:05:52 GMT 1
Passion, drive, enthusiasm. That sounds like Black's department as much as Clark's.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 14, 2009 18:11:47 GMT 1
With respect kinny - where is the drive from the bloody players??!!! I appreciate the manager/coaches etc have a job to do in this area, but without damning all the players you cant polish turds and some/many of our players arent up to it week in week out! Its even more frustrating when they do perform well in certain games and show they have ability on a given occasion but none of them do it consistently and thats why we aint good enough.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 14, 2009 18:15:41 GMT 1
roberts shouldnt be playing, without pilkington god help us imo.... have to build for next season.... upfront besides boothy we are a joke imo...
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Post by terrierng on Mar 14, 2009 18:17:23 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:- 1. We cant defend set pieces and are at times shambolic in this area. 2. Pilkington apart we offer little threat - roberts and collins might as well have stayed in huddersfield and if booth is on his own with no service its game over! 3. Our lack of aggression against sides like tranmere costs us so many times its ridiculous! 4. When do we ever change our tactics to good effect? Am sick of hearing we have good players at the club, i want to see them do it regularly on a bloody saturday! Am happy to give clark time to get it right, but losing limply to teams who show more passion, commitment, drive, organisation etc confirms that alot of what we have isnt good enough and his job in the summer is bigger than many thought. It is no ruddy good beating leeds and then not winning ANY of your next 6 - surgery is still needed with that squad!! sides like tranmere??? a side who has been above us for the whole of this season,we are an average team at this level pal,no divine right to beat teams like tranmere,agrre that the players arnt good enough,hopefully something that will change in the summer,giving clark time shouldnt even be discussed hes only been here a couple of months with a squad what was shit when he came.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 14, 2009 18:23:09 GMT 1
Wasnt demeaning tranmere ng - more commenting that they arent a great footballing team but they do have energy, drive and a basic organisation that we always seem to struggle against. For the last 3/4 seasons we have struggled against these type of teams and it aint good enough!
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Post by 'Uddersfield on Mar 14, 2009 18:25:22 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:-
I stopped reading after that.
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Post by kinny2 on Mar 14, 2009 18:30:18 GMT 1
Ahh bless. I don't think certain people would be happy if, by a miracle of some description, we actually were good enough.
Where would they carry out their acts of martyrdom then? Ossett Town? Norristhorpe u8's?
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Post by digwon on Mar 14, 2009 18:31:30 GMT 1
i agree we are simple and not good enough
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Post by fredcarno on Mar 14, 2009 18:39:34 GMT 1
I was fully convinced that Clark would do the business but alarm bells have started ringing for me with the offering of new contracts to the old gaurd, staring to blame the players fitness. We seem to be starting down the same old road again. He's saying all the right things every week but we don't see any improvement at all, in fact we are getting worse. Looking back Ternent was spot on the mentality bred into the players and running through the is not tough enough and needs changing asap. We were ok when Clark came in and played some decent football but as soon as the going has got tough the side has crumbled both mentally and tacticaly. Playing as we are now I can't see where the next win is coming from a great end to the season on the cards to try to sell season tickets on the back of and try to attract new players.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 18:50:34 GMT 1
roberts shouldnt be playing, without pilkington god help us imo.... have to build for next season.... upfront besides boothy we are a joke imo... Forget Booth he`s too slow & too old if we want a tilt at promotion,if we don`t give him another contract.
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Post by tnk on Mar 14, 2009 18:57:48 GMT 1
I was fully convinced that Clark would do the business but alarm bells have started ringing for me with the offering of new contracts to the old gaurd, staring to blame the players fitness. We seem to be starting down the same old road again. He's saying all the right things every week but we don't see any improvement at all, in fact we are getting worse. Looking back Ternent was spot on the mentality bred into the players and running through the is not tough enough and needs changing asap. We were ok when Clark came in and played some decent football but as soon as the going has got tough the side has crumbled both mentally and tacticaly. Playing as we are now I can't see where the next win is coming from a great end to the season on the cards to try to sell season tickets on the back of and try to attract new players. The old guard will be more than good enough for back up, give the guy a chance. A pre season with players he actually wants in his squad will be a start...
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Post by waterloo1815 on Mar 14, 2009 19:02:00 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:- I stopped reading after that. I couldnt agree more udds I cant belive people think they can give a balanced, objective view based on radio commentary. Not the usual Shawsie post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2009 19:06:54 GMT 1
I was fully convinced that Clark would do the business but alarm bells have started ringing for me with the offering of new contracts to the old gaurd, staring to blame the players fitness. We seem to be starting down the same old road again. He's saying all the right things every week but we don't see any improvement at all, in fact we are getting worse. Looking back Ternent was spot on the mentality bred into the players and running through the is not tough enough and needs changing asap. We were ok when Clark came in and played some decent football but as soon as the going has got tough the side has crumbled both mentally and tacticaly. Playing as we are now I can't see where the next win is coming from a great end to the season on the cards to try to sell season tickets on the back of and try to attract new players. I agree, there was a time this season when I turned up at the Galpharm, fully confident that town would win. That feeling has long gone, and the same old management puns and sayings are beginning to be peddled out.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 15, 2009 11:23:15 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:- I stopped reading after that. I couldnt agree more udds I cant belive people think they can give a balanced, objective view based on radio commentary. Not the usual Shawsie post. Thanks for the semi compliment waterloo - havent changed my mind nearly 24 hrs on though!! I know its difficult to have balance purely on a radio commentary, but when kieran's comments echo those of supporters all over on a far too regular basis in recent seasons it says something- Am heartily sick of hearing the same old phrases - outbattled unprofessional not picked up from a set piece and another free header/shot no support for the lone striker etc etc Its the same old depressing story and i seriously hope clark carries out his threat last night to cull parts of the squad in the summer.
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Post by fredcarno on Mar 15, 2009 16:18:49 GMT 1
I was fed up after yesterday but if it was up to Keiran "to be quite honest paul" o'reagan. Gerry Murphy would still be in charge Aaron Hardy would be our defensive lynchpin and Boothy would start every game. He seems to criticise a lot without offering any solutions, in fact he be at home posting on here.
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Post by borisblitz on Mar 16, 2009 0:05:44 GMT 1
You have always had a talented group of players whenever you've come to Prenton but you always seem to roll over too softly, perhaps it's the Birkenhead air!
Even when you were up at the top and we were at the bottom and we had ten men you still conspired to lose!
Good luck anyway.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2009 10:29:42 GMT 1
We have a player who would stop us being 'outbattled' or 'outfought' (though he gets critisised for this), who plays with passion and enormous desire, would play box to box and support a lone striker if asked to . Unfortunately hes on loan at Yeovil and Clark has'nt even shown him the courtesy of a chance to impress him. A daft mistake and really unfair after several years where he's carried the sides passion and will to win, often almost single handedly, to the opposition. Just HOW MANY times have we been crying out for him since he went out on loan?? Madness, it really is!
As for the team in general and Clark as a manager. Judge them when they have some strikers of any value on the pitch. Not when they're trying to build attacks with has-been cripples, bone-idle heartless teenagers, or goalshy weaklings. Its like trying to judge how good an engine is whilst trying to run it on custard.
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Post by terracesider on Mar 16, 2009 10:35:10 GMT 1
So are Yeovil doing well at the moment?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2009 10:38:14 GMT 1
I bet they're doing better than they would be without him! Like we would!
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Post by terracesider on Mar 16, 2009 10:48:28 GMT 1
Not as expert as others on here about "tactics" "shape" etc. To me football's a simple game where you win the ball and then pass to somebody wearing the same colour shirt as you are - assuming that you can't "pass it into the net." When you haven't got it you battle (like JW) to win it back, AND mark your man to the extent of being virtually stuck to him. In spite of that rhetorical question about the form of Yeovil, I'm inclined to agree with you that a dose of Jon Worthy may be just what this side needs. Bring him back & make him skipper Mr. Clark.... Maybe there's some internal reason (rumour mongers??) for his loan to the West Country but looking at Collins, Craney, Goodwin, etc. and the way they perform he must have got well on the wrong side of some big-wig at the club to be sent into exile.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2009 10:58:48 GMT 1
I think its because unlike the plethora of high wage earners Ternent lumbered the squad with, JW is out of contract, so Clark has clearly decided that he doesn't feature in his plans as he needs to thin the squad down a bit. Its very unfair on the lad and a silly piece of management IMO
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Post by nickmaca10 on Mar 16, 2009 11:05:26 GMT 1
Gerry Murphy would still be in charge Aaron Hardy would be our defensive lynchpin and Boothy would start every game. Not saying I want Gerry still in charge but, away games under him we didn't crumble like we are at the moment. It's quite frustrating how little we offer and how poor we look. The 3-5-2 suited the team, and collins especially imo. I think this formation would give us that bit more solidarity away from home. It's worth another shot anyway seeing as though playoffs are gone..
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 11:07:33 GMT 1
I think Worthy is one of those players some don't fancy. I worry that Clark and McDermott seem to be naive in there thinking that you don't need a Worthy in League One. Neither have played or managed at this level and maybe there expectations are little up in the clouds - you need to earn the right to play the nice football they both unsubscribe to, especially in the kick and rush of League One. Honestly playing picking Craney to play alongside Collins is simply asking to be over run in midfield!
Yorath in his book stated he didn't rate Worthy on first impressions. LC and TM are like TY excellent former pros so probably struggle to see what a player like Worthy (who's 1 third skill and 2 thirds heart) brings to the side. The same mistake Yorath made being repeated?
As for the dig at Hardy, tad unfair because he was picked out of neccessity (low budget which is not the case now) and to be honest he did a lot more (for I suspect a lot less money) in a Town shirt than say David Unsworth ever has or will IMO (especially in marking Kuffour out of the game in an away win, [wouldn't one of those be nice!] at Bournemouth)
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Post by terracesider on Mar 16, 2009 11:08:48 GMT 1
I'd "thin out" a few long before Worthy and, I'm not being facetious about making him skipper - competitive, aggresive, reasonably skilled for 3rd division, and a good leader who leads by example - what more do you want Mr Clark?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2009 11:40:14 GMT 1
Was at Bournemouth that day and Hardy was excellent. Probably not good enough for us but I was very surprised he dropped so far down the pyramid after he left. Don't think its fair to say Murphy would have kept this player or that player in the side just because they're 'his' academy boys. He didn't have a problem keeping Goodwin in the side when he was on form at the expense of JW. Just he didn't dismiss out of hand players 'JUST' because they came from the academy like Turnip did. Terracesider- I thought JW was a good captain. Not the vocal type but lead the team by his example of effort and commitment. Just what everyones saying we are lacking now. I remember the game at Forest last season. Worthy was a true leader that day and if you'd said then that a year and a bit later he would be out of the picture and about to leave for free, everyone at that game would have thought you'd got a screw loose! Totally dominated the the middle of the pitch in the first half. He was everywhere winning the ball, stopping Forest playing, driving his team on. Then with Town 1-0 up couldn't come out for the second half ( cos hed done all this carrying an injury!!) and we promptly collapsed like a pack of cards against 10 men and lost 2-1. I guess all the people who come out with rubbish about 'he can't tackle, can't pass, not good enough etc' weren't there.
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Mar 16, 2009 12:09:43 GMT 1
I remember that performance from Worthy at Forest very well and him going off was a massive blow that day
Just don't think he has put in that sort of oustanding performance enough over the years
Saying that I would definitely pick him to play above Craney in the middle of the park
I think Clark's hands are tied with the contracts Ternent sorted for the numerous central midfield players so unless he can shift the contracted ones he has to move on others to get a more balanced squad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 12:31:59 GMT 1
Just listened to second half from start to finish and the facts are simple:- 1. We cant defend set pieces and are at times shambolic in this area. 2. Pilkington apart we offer little threat - roberts and collins might as well have stayed in huddersfield and if booth is on his own with no service its game over! 3. Our lack of aggression against sides like tranmere costs us so many times its ridiculous! 4. When do we ever change our tactics to good effect? Am sick of hearing we have good players at the club, i want to see them do it regularly on a bloody saturday! Am happy to give clark time to get it right, but losing limply to teams who show more passion, commitment, drive, organisation etc confirms that alot of what we have isnt good enough and his job in the summer is bigger than many thought. It is no ruddy good beating leeds and then not winning ANY of your next 6 - surgery is still needed with that squad!! success wont come instantly .
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Post by shawsie on Mar 16, 2009 12:49:53 GMT 1
I think its because unlike the plethora of high wage earners Ternent lumbered the squad with, JW is out of contract, so Clark has clearly decided that he doesn't feature in his plans as he needs to thin the squad down a bit. Its very unfair on the lad and a silly piece of management IMO Why is it silly Slapps - the boy isnt good enough!!! He hasnt featured for us for ages now and clubs up and down the country are crying out for his type of player apparently and he ends up at...............yeovil!!!! That is not to denegrate him or yeovil, it is just that he is a mid table league 1 footballer as he has been now for the last few years - if he was better then clubs would have taken him to play at a better level. Whether we would have done any better if he was here is difficult to say because we ourselves are a mid table league 1 side and i wholly agree that craney, flynn etc are not a great deal better based evidence to date - as i have said for months now, as a squad we arent good enough and thats why LC has to be given time to cull and prune what we have and make better additions in the summer.
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