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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 10:36:22 GMT 1
In the last 12 months the new lads we've signed should be busting a gut to prove they're worthy and really want to play for Town, basically it's what we all have to do in a new job (shame they don't have probationary periods in football contracts!) So that's ... Parker Butler Goodwin Flynn Craney Denton Roberts Unsworth Lucketti Plus players who've only been here a few weeks, Werling, Pilkington and Ainsworth These players were meant to improve the side from last season, yet the proof is they haven't - the table does not lie They're all a lot better paid than there peers of 12 months ago so it's fair to ask whether they're taking the p*ss out of Town and it's supporters? Why are they worse, statistically than what was here despite getting paid more! Also why do they think in the first few months, when they've proved NOTHING in Town shirt and done sod all to justify there inflated wages (mid table and out of ALL the cups early) that they can take it easy (conversely I will support people like Holdsworth, Worthy, Legend, Nathan Clarke until the cows come home because they have ACHIEVED promotion, a 4th place finish and therefore a degree of success in a Town shirt) what have the others done for the club to make them feel they can relax  In the real world most folk are worried about there jobs, not these underperforming jokers! I'll omit Butler, Goodwin and Roberts from the critism (they have lived up to their billing), plus Denton (not expected to play this season) and Pilkington (excellent first impressions). The rest though sorry but they annoy me! I'll include in the critism Werling, who it would appear is a waste of a wage sorry but if he had owt he would be able to get into a mid table League One team low on confidence and Ainsworth (who may prove to be a good un but) who should be more interested in winning over new fans than fighting and getting arrested in Notthingham! I really feel like there's a bunch of footballers taking us for a ride, you can say it's the same players from the last few years but it isn't, the vast majority of the first team have been here 12 months tops! These new players have perphaps a touch more talent but about quarter of the bottle! Suddenly there's a lot of dead wood needs hacking out, and fast. I guess mediocre signings though are to be expected when you give a mediocre manager a cheque book like we did with Ternent! Luckily I think we have a good manager in Clark, and they say you learn more for defeat sometimes. Lets hope that's true! |
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Post by nickmaca10 on Mar 16, 2009 10:48:12 GMT 1
"basically it's what we all have to do in a new job (shame they don't have probationary periods in football contracts!)"
Would be complicated when you are signing a player, fees involved etc, so that would never happen imo.
Free transfer players have a trial at the club before you sign them, but a player on trial cannot play any competitive matches.
Maybe the 'trial' could be extended into the contract working as a probation period for these players, but def not for players you sign from another club.
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Post by tkmaxx on Mar 16, 2009 10:59:20 GMT 1
You suggest Werling should be trying to win over the fans. He obviously is not doing enough in training to earn a place in the first team - rather than saying he isnt trying hard enough, what if no matter how hard he tries he will never be good enough for our first team? The management are to blame for that ultimately. It was a gamble on him which cost probably very little to take a player who did well in the Championship for Barnsley on a 6 month contract (with an option for a further year at the clubs discretion?) which appears not to have worked but I am all for these gambles. The amount of times we have heard people complain on here about players in the lower leagues not getting a chance with us and that we should take a gamble have been common. People have also complained about the lack of scouting in the foreign leagues yet in january we tried with two (Tehoue and Werling).
Some of the players simply are not good enough no matter how hard they try. Parker has done well in the reserves but isn't good enough for the first team but you cant say thats because he doesn't try. He doesn't choose not to score goals. He just is simply not good enough as are most of the others you have named.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 16, 2009 11:00:09 GMT 1
Look, its obvious a few players are not up to it... not going to name them but we all know who they are !
Clark will also know .... there will be many changes before next season thats certain. Now lets see if they have any pride for the last nine games ...
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Post by tkmaxx on Mar 16, 2009 11:00:20 GMT 1
Although Unsworth does seem a lazy sh*t
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 11:30:42 GMT 1
IMO only Goodwin, Pilkington and Roberts have been decent signings - the rest I'd send back from whence they came without much of a 2nd thought. (Not inc Ainsworth who I'll give more time to)
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 11:37:48 GMT 1
I agree Parker is just substandard, but he must have more ability than he shows, i.e. he was a key man for Blackpool when they got promoted, and no way could be 27 and still in the pro game if he only scored 2 goals a season! You're probably right, Werling simply is no better than what we have. I don't mind having a punt for 6 months but I'd rather we started giving places on the bench to Skarz or Berrett (or better still give Worthy a sniff before releasing him) rather than Werling who it would appear has no future at Town The new ones may be trying on the pitch - not sure they are though I mean (I know this sounds bloody thirsty) but how often does the physio come on in a game and when was the last time someone got a "hard as nails" injury like concussion, i.e dieing for the course. The only injuries we get are hammies etc which are more to do with a player failing to do the right stretching before the game (professionalism / commitment ) I also meant to say off the pitch are they prepared to make scarifices? GTF was poor in his first season because he was coming to training from Lincoln. He moved to Fenay Bridge and then had a cracking season ending with a move to the Championship How many of our Lancashire contingent have moved there homes and family's to Huddersfield or within 20 miles??? IMO they to be settled off the pitch to make the most on it I also don't think they should be monks but it's not clever hearing stories of Roberts keeling over in Tokyo or totally out of control "team bonding" sessions at La Salsa. Are these lads taking there play to excess at the detriment to there fitness? I don't know, but for whatever reason Craney doesn't look a £200k player and you'd never believe that Flynn, Lucketti, Unsworth etc played in the Championship last season! For me there's a raft of over paid (based on what we got for less money last season) underachievers on the books |
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 16, 2009 12:02:30 GMT 1
Ainsworth (who may prove to be a good un but) who should be more interested in winning over new fans than fighting and getting arrested in Notthingham! Some things are more important than football. If one of my best friends was murdered, I'd sure as hell be trying to murder or cripple the person who did it. Although I'd have a better plan than a night club brawl. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2009 12:27:46 GMT 1
Surely no one would dare to harm a friend of yours.
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Post by NookTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 12:28:45 GMT 1
More to the fact, it all even happened before he signed for town, So we've surely not been seeing the best of him untill it's all blown over?
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Post by sowerbyterrier2 on Mar 16, 2009 14:38:39 GMT 1
you continually cite Werling as an example of a bad signing (due to him not being in the team). Most town fans would agree that Williams has been playing some of his best football in a town shirt since Werling signed. You could argue that signing him is a waste of money and a mistake by Clark. Others may look at it as a shrewd move to get the best out of what he has got.
That said... there is a strong argument that neither are good enough to play left back, but thats another topic.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 15:07:59 GMT 1
you continually cite Werling as an example of a bad signing (due to him not being in the team). Most town fans would agree that Williams has been playing some of his best football in a town shirt since Werling signed. You could argue that signing him is a waste of money and a mistake by Clark. Others may look at it as a shrewd move to get the best out of what he has got. That said... there is a strong argument that neither are good enough to play left back, but thats another topic. The thing is though he's been here since January and not yet broken into the team I agree Williams is playing really well - and won over one doubter here - recently, long may it continue It could be Werling's presense, but Unsworth was favoured to Williams earlier in the season and we didn't see this type of form from him then once he got his chance again so I'm not sure if it's the extra competition / being out of favour that's all to do with it? It's no doubt a part of it but I also would like to think Steve Black is responsible. Williams for me is a player with talent but maybe mentally weak, Schofield was another IMO. So it could that Black is getting him in the best frame of mind to produce good form consistently. Back to my point about Welring though is that if he's not in the team now; midtable, 9 games left with little to play for and 3 points from a possible 18 - then he probably isn't going to cut it at Town and I would rather Skarz is given the opportunity on the bench instead |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 16, 2009 16:14:19 GMT 1
Title should read: Some players are taking us for a complete ride.
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 16, 2009 16:26:58 GMT 1
Surely no one would dare to harm a friend of yours. Of course not. I'm a lethal weapon. Like Riggs and Murtaugh. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 16:34:09 GMT 1
Title should read: Some players are taking us for a complete ride. Not really ... Of the "old guard" I don't think Boothy owes HTAFC owt. Two Town promotions, 4 play off campaigns with Town Worthy isn't even getting a sniff. Current position nothing to do with him. Was one of the few players to leave the Ternent days with any credit IMO when the likes of Goodwin looked terrible. One Town promotion. 2 play off campaigns with Town. Former POTS Holdsworth is having a poor couple of months - but last season earned his spurs when he deservedly earned POTS. He must be as fustrated as hell playing out of position at right back, but does he kick up a fuss? I have tons of respect for the lad, Town through and through and a true club man. One Town promotion. 2 play off campaigns with Town Nathan Clarke - will probably be runner up for POTS. No quarms there then. One Town promotion. Three play off campaigns with Town. Former POTS Collins - without his goals we'd be looking over our shoulder at the relegation zone, plus we wouldn't have beat L**ds! One play off campaign with Town and runner up once for POTS Glennon - simply unlucky that he's up against Smithies - not really done much wrong this season IMO. Similar story for Kamara, although in his case he's up against three Championship quality players in Roberts, Pilkington and when fit Cads. I like both Glennon (runner up last year for POTS) and Malvin but better have been found in there positions, so no reflection on them as players IMO. Would be saying the same about the other old guard but I don't believe better has come in for there positions! Cads - when fit (which is the majority of games this season!) he's been one of the top 3 performers on any given match day. Williams - most improved player since the new management team arrived IMO, has kicked on big time Tom Clarke, Berrett, Skarz, Broadbent etc time will come. Not expecting them to be leading lights this time but none have disappointed in the games they've played Smithies - best thing to come out of our youth team potentially since Frank Worthington (trying to think of the last prospect with genuine England international potential?) Oh and there's Jevons - okay he's been pump  Don't really see them as the problem at the moment, especially considering the majority haven't figured during this dip in form Point is what have the new players done for Town other than pick up there pay cheques and not improve our league position -not even a cup run! Like I say when you go to a new job you work your nuts off to impress your new boss - or not as the case seems to be at Town! |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 16, 2009 16:52:28 GMT 1
Title should read: Some players are taking us for a complete ride. Not really ... Of the "old guard" I don't think Boothy owes HTAFC owt. Two Town promotions, 4 play off campaigns with Town So you think its just the new players that are underperforming? I'm not saying all the old players are - but some are as much as any new player.. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 17:05:31 GMT 1
Not really ... Of the "old guard" I don't think Boothy owes HTAFC owt. Two Town promotions, 4 play off campaigns with Town So you think its just the new players that are underperforming? I'm not saying all the old players are - but some are as much as any new player.. Nah just saying that typically we only select about 4 of the older players and that most weeks the side is made up of new blood. I know what the old players are capable of, a top 10th finish despite most weeks having to make up half the team with players not even up to League One standard I honestly thought our better players last year would be our weaker ones now as we'd sign better quality. But it's not the case is it, and it's telling players like Cads, Nathan Clarke and Williams have been among our better performers in recent weeks I mean honestly if this is the best the new uns can show, despite doubling the wage bill, then it really is a poor do when Blue Square North players like Beckett, Young and Hardy had better seasons last term than Parker, Flynn and Unsworth have had this season IMO. Beckett scored more, Young did his best playing out of position on the wing (just like Flynn does apparently) and Hardy had the odd good game, unlike Unsworth! Basically IMO a lot of the new players aren't of League One standard despite I suspect earning high League One / low Championship wages |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2009 17:13:31 GMT 1
Young and Hardy hardly played last season Hudds. I think you're mixing it up with the season before when we finished 16th.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 16, 2009 17:34:37 GMT 1
Maybe paul but the point is Flynn - centre midfielder played out of position. Runs about a bit on the wing, probably earns more than anyone on our books did this time last season Young - centre midfielder played out of position. Ran about a bit on the wing, probably earns more playing part time than he did at Town (don't know that for a fact but wouldn't be suprised) Neither are / were good enough but at least I didn't feel like Young was playing within himself or not getting stuck in. I certainly have thought that about Flynn when he's played on the wing! Still stand by my view that Hardy did more last season than Unsworth did this. Although I have noticed we seem to sell out of pies quicker this season since signing DU. correlation I use them as extreme examples, but I don't think the new players are massive improvements - which they should be! Hence my annoyance I could use other examples, Page vs Lucketti, Williams vs Werling, Worthy vs Craney (well he's been playing defensive midfielder ahead of JW recently!) It has to be quality this summer, a few players could easily galvanise the rest a la Page last season |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 16, 2009 18:11:01 GMT 1
only players that I think deserve a first team place next season are in no order......
Smithies, Nat Clarke , not Butler hes not up to it imo.
Pilks, Collins , Goodwin, Boothy to get another year but not to be a main striker....
Im afraid thats all id keep ..... so we need at least 2 defenders, a midfielder and 2 strikers really....
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 17, 2009 2:07:42 GMT 1
excellent posts HuddsT
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Post by ellsky on Mar 18, 2009 1:02:50 GMT 1
In the last 12 months the new lads we've signed should be busting a gut to prove they're worthy and really want to play for Town, basically it's what we all have to do in a new job (shame they don't have probationary periods in football contracts!) So that's ... Parker Butler Goodwin Flynn Craney Denton Roberts Unsworth Lucketti Plus players who've only been here a few weeks, Werling, Pilkington and Ainsworth These players were meant to improve the side from last season, yet the proof is they haven't - the table does not lie They're all a lot better paid than there peers of 12 months ago so it's fair to ask whether they're taking the p*ss out of Town and it's supporters? Why are they worse, statistically than what was here despite getting paid more! Also why do they think in the first few months, when they've proved NOTHING in Town shirt and done sod all to justify there inflated wages (mid table and out of ALL the cups early) that they can take it easy (conversely I will support people like Holdsworth, Worthy, Legend, Nathan Clarke until the cows come home because they have ACHIEVED promotion, a 4th place finish and therefore a degree of success in a Town shirt) what have the others done for the club to make them feel they can relax In the real world most folk are worried about there jobs, not these underperforming jokers! I'll omit Butler, Goodwin and Roberts from the critism (they have lived up to their billing), plus Denton (not expected to play this season) and Pilkington (excellent first impressions). The rest though sorry but they annoy me! I'll include in the critism Werling, who it would appear is a waste of a wage sorry but if he had owt he would be able to get into a mid table League One team low on confidence and Ainsworth (who may prove to be a good un but) who should be more interested in winning over new fans than fighting and getting arrested in Notthingham! I really feel like there's a bunch of footballers taking us for a ride, you can say it's the same players from the last few years but it isn't, the vast majority of the first team have been here 12 months tops! These new players have perphaps a touch more talent but about quarter of the bottle! Suddenly there's a lot of dead wood needs hacking out, and fast. I guess mediocre signings though are to be expected when you give a mediocre manager a cheque book like we did with Ternent! Luckily I think we have a good manager in Clark, and they say you learn more for defeat sometimes. Lets hope that's true! you dont know what your on about jimmy boy .....how the hell can you slag the likes of flynny when he ain't getting a look in you numpty ...he will now get his chance so watch this space he will perform as i know he can so basically put a sock in it ,,,OK m8 and as for clark lets see where he will be 10 games into next season |
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 18, 2009 9:08:51 GMT 1
you dont know what your on about jimmy boy .....how the hell can you slag the likes of flynny when he ain't getting a look in you numpty ...he will now get his chance so watch this space he will perform as i know he can so basically put a sock in it ,,,OK m8 and as for clark lets see where he will be 10 games into next season No, lets see where Clark will be in 2012 - My guess is that he'll be with us in the championship if we stick with him. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 10:08:37 GMT 1
In the last 12 months the new lads we've signed should be busting a gut to prove they're worthy and really want to play for Town, basically it's what we all have to do in a new job (shame they don't have probationary periods in football contracts!) So that's ... Parker Butler Goodwin Flynn Craney Denton Roberts Unsworth Lucketti Plus players who've only been here a few weeks, Werling, Pilkington and Ainsworth These players were meant to improve the side from last season, yet the proof is they haven't - the table does not lie They're all a lot better paid than there peers of 12 months ago so it's fair to ask whether they're taking the p*ss out of Town and it's supporters? Why are they worse, statistically than what was here despite getting paid more! Also why do they think in the first few months, when they've proved NOTHING in Town shirt and done sod all to justify there inflated wages (mid table and out of ALL the cups early) that they can take it easy (conversely I will support people like Holdsworth, Worthy, Legend, Nathan Clarke until the cows come home because they have ACHIEVED promotion, a 4th place finish and therefore a degree of success in a Town shirt) what have the others done for the club to make them feel they can relax In the real world most folk are worried about there jobs, not these underperforming jokers! I'll omit Butler, Goodwin and Roberts from the critism (they have lived up to their billing), plus Denton (not expected to play this season) and Pilkington (excellent first impressions). The rest though sorry but they annoy me! I'll include in the critism Werling, who it would appear is a waste of a wage sorry but if he had owt he would be able to get into a mid table League One team low on confidence and Ainsworth (who may prove to be a good un but) who should be more interested in winning over new fans than fighting and getting arrested in Notthingham! I really feel like there's a bunch of footballers taking us for a ride, you can say it's the same players from the last few years but it isn't, the vast majority of the first team have been here 12 months tops! These new players have perphaps a touch more talent but about quarter of the bottle! Suddenly there's a lot of dead wood needs hacking out, and fast. I guess mediocre signings though are to be expected when you give a mediocre manager a cheque book like we did with Ternent! Luckily I think we have a good manager in Clark, and they say you learn more for defeat sometimes. Lets hope that's true! you dont know what your on about jimmy boy .....how the hell can you slag the likes of flynny when he ain't getting a look in you numpty ...he will now get his chance so watch this space he will perform as i know he can so basically put a sock in it ,,,OK m8 and as for clark lets see where he will be 10 games into next season I've been called many things but never Jimmy would reply to being called a numpty - but frankly I am suspect I am out of my depth What I will say is that Flynn is 29 this year and has only been a regular in his career at a poor Gillingham side and Barry Town! He was a squad player at Wigan, a squad player at Blackpool and is a squad player at Town! I've seen little to suggest that's he any more than a average League One footballer / squad player. His highlight of the season was a deflected goal against Sheffield United. Frankly IMO he is substandard given our ambitions, if he had anything he would be starting in the side now - especially a team that's midtable and out of form |
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Post by tom on Mar 18, 2009 23:46:51 GMT 1
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 23:53:56 GMT 1
Ahhhh Talksport and 5live, the last bastions of fun for the avid prank caller Ray from Lancaster wound up Lovejoy the other week with suggestions that Wenger should be replaced by Allardyce ;D |
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Mar 19, 2009 0:27:01 GMT 1
top post huddsterrier i agree within everything you said below mid table in our centenary year with a bunch of no hopers of which half dont even look interested, imo clark will get it right he will have seen alot in the last couple of months and i expect drastic changes in the summer of which a few could shock some people  |
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Post by specialun on Mar 20, 2009 0:20:32 GMT 1
Do you have some kind of fixation witj flynn elsky?
Very good post hudds (imo)
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Post by tkmaxx on Mar 20, 2009 0:28:05 GMT 1
Hudds - you say that the players are not trying hard enough then you say Flynn is not good enough.
Two huge differences there man, one suggests its the player being lazy which frustrates you then the fact that he has always been a squad player. That suggests he is not good enough and therefore the fault is placed at the feet of the manager. Which way you heading? And dont say both as thats just a cheap get out!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 10:25:51 GMT 1
Personally I think Flynn thinks he's a better player than he is. I mean in the interviews I've read he talks about his days at Wigan like he was a main player, he made 5 league starts in 3 years!
In context he's made 15 starts for Town and hasn't been in a starting 11 since about October!
I don't think he's anything other than a average League One footballer (his career is distintively average), but IMO when he only goes through the motions when he's asked to playing out of position on the wing at which point he becomes League Two standard, i.e. Darlo fans were more than happy to see him come back and despite not being wanted no one else has taken him on loan.
The bloke needs a reality check IMO and rather than voicing his opinion about Ternents sacking (was he the only person to disagree with the decision!) etc he'd be better off knuckling down and try to get in the side and earn a new contract because as it stands he'll getting freed (again) in 14 months time
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