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Post by Merseyterrier on Mar 17, 2009 15:47:45 GMT 1
by the time the curtain comes down on our season, I will have managed to get to 16 home games, missing seven due to work and other family committments. I normally get to around 15 anyway so the £100 was a no brainer for people like me. This will be the 38th season that i've watched town doing 70+ grounds in that time so I probably come into the "half-wit" catergory.
I've ony sat in my " new " seat about five times, the rest of the time i sit up with my old fella and his bro, so to anyone near T48 in John Smiths / antich i'm not a jonny come lately who has abandoned it after the wheels have come off.
Next season is walk up time for me and fingers crossed it's gonna be a great rollercoaster of a ride, we're just in that big dip before take off at the moment.
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Post by rantinray on Mar 17, 2009 15:50:48 GMT 1
Just think of the money that could be HTFC if we had a fair roll of the dice. We know where the money goes from advertising boards, beer and food etc?
Towns saviour! He does not know how glad we are that he came along?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 17, 2009 15:52:40 GMT 1
Tend to agree with Geese it's the Town fans with families who will feel the pinch worse at the moment economically - note I don't have family or kids
I'm no accountant but I wonder what it would cost the club to make all under 16 tickets free when sold with an adult ticket?
No idea on the maths but the club could prehaps balance the books by charging £250 / £300 for adult season tickets instead of say £250/ £200 ... basically an extra £50
Another suggestion would be a free U16 season ticket when you buy both the home and away replica shirts (which can't cost more than a £5 to manufacture)
Alternatively they could give a free U16 season ticket if you're a season ticket holder who then joins the Blue and White Foundation
Any of those could potentially balance the books and would represent a bit of out of the box thinking.
It would also be a sound long term plan because we don't want to lose a raft of young supporters due to current circumstances - it's cheesy but they are the future.
We may even get new fans because people will be looking for cheaper forms of weekend entertainment
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Post by pozza on Mar 17, 2009 17:25:25 GMT 1
Antich - £180 DG - £200 FM Uppoer - £150 FM Lower - £100
Sorted ;D
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Post by marshterrier on Mar 17, 2009 17:27:23 GMT 1
£600 in all stands.
That should keep the beer queues down to minimum.
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Post by Mastercracker on Mar 17, 2009 17:34:50 GMT 1
£600 in all stands. That should keep the beer queues down to minimum. I'm sure it would, Mr Bates
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Post by marshterrier on Mar 17, 2009 17:35:40 GMT 1
£600 in all stands. That should keep the beer queues down to minimum. I'm sure it would, Mr Bates And strictly no concessions...for anyone!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 17:41:43 GMT 1
What about a free pie for everybody at each game, but keep the season ticket price high. Save you having to buy your dinner on a saturday.
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Post by marshterrier on Mar 17, 2009 17:42:46 GMT 1
What about a free pie for everybody at each game, but keep the season ticket price high. Save you having to buy your dinner on a saturday. The only downside to that is that by the time the last pie was served it'd be gone past midnight, three days after the match kicked off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 17:47:07 GMT 1
What about a free pie for everybody at each game, but keep the season ticket price high. Save you having to buy your dinner on a saturday. The only downside to that is that by the time the last pie was served it'd be gone past midnight, three days after the match kicked off. I've considered that, we give all the people who can't afford a season ticket due to the credit crunch, access to the game on the proviso that they will walk around the stands distributing pies. You wouldn't even have to leave your seat, never mind queue up. Everyone's a winner.
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Post by marshterrier on Mar 17, 2009 17:48:24 GMT 1
The only downside to that is that by the time the last pie was served it'd be gone past midnight, three days after the match kicked off. I've considered that, we give all the people who can't afford a season ticket due to the credit crunch, access to the game on the proviso that they will walk around the stands distributing pies. You wouldn't even have to leave your seat, never mind queue up. Everyone's a winner. I think you need to contact Sean Jarvis asap with that idea.
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Post by shelleyblue on Mar 17, 2009 20:39:54 GMT 1
Just think of the money that could be HTFC if we had a fair roll of the dice. We know where the money goes from advertising boards, beer and food etc? Towns saviour! He does not know how glad we are that he came along? Jesus wept. Play another record for a change, this ones getting predictable and boring now.
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Post by specialun on Mar 17, 2009 22:25:37 GMT 1
But true sadly shelley.
Anything less than £200 is nit viable.
They need to be less than they were a few years ago, they need to increase a lot from this year, we need to increase and maximise revenue, but we need to retain some of the extra fans (not the 16000-9000 season ticket holders, but the increased average attendance....13500-9500)...not an easy formula!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2009 22:59:13 GMT 1
The £100 offer was a one off thank you the to the fans but next season they will go up. It is not as simple as £300 = 8000 £150 = 16,000 demand does not work like that. Even at £100 again i think we would sell less than this season for various reasons. I think they will try and keep them sensible so expect them to come in under £300 but well over £200. They may consider cheap season tickets in the FM lower.
For me you sell them at £225-£275 then bring in further income on match days with walk ups even people who can't afford season tickets will pick and choose games.
I feel for anyone who can't afford a season ticket but the club has to become more self sufficient and that means we as fans have to put our hands in our pockets.
Big thank you for the centenary offer and anything under £300 in the Antich and i won't bat an eyelid.
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Post by henseventee on Mar 18, 2009 0:21:29 GMT 1
Season tickets were £115 in Antich in 1995.
Therefore, if they're more than £150 today, according to the CPI they're over-priced.
The price they were at before this seasons offer was around double what should be considered good value. ie - not good value.
Which is why I'm all for licensing and franchishing of football teams, or at least the establisment of an industry regulator and an enforceable framework of rules within which clubs have to operate. Private enterprise don't really do a good job of it unregulated.
Given each professional club has an effective local operational monopoly it makes a lot of sense that they shouldn't be allowed carte blanche to dictate season ticket prices, shirt prices, frequency of replacing kit etc.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 0:49:55 GMT 1
Season tickets were £115 in Antich in 1995. Therefore, if they're more than £150 today, according to the CPI they're over-priced. The price they were at before this seasons offer was around double what should be considered good value. ie - not good value. Which is why I'm all for licensing and franchishing of football teams, or at least the establisment of an industry regulator and an enforceable framework of rules within which clubs have to operate. Private enterprise don't really do a good job of it unregulated. Given each professional club has an effective local operational monopoly it makes a lot of sense that they shouldn't be allowed carte blanche to dictate season ticket prices, shirt prices, frequency of replacing kit etc. I agree entirely, but at the same time I can see why clubs can't realistically keep prices that low. To use the 1995 example, at that time Alan Shearer moved to Newcastle for £16million, and for that money they were getting the best striker in English footballer, and potentially in Europe. Nowadays while £16million for a player may still be a lot, it's pretty commonplace, and you only have to look at players such as Berbatov going for double that value to see that football has priced itself way above inflation. In the same vein player wages have increased across the board, and in general costs have gone up, mainly as a result of the continued consumerising of England's top division. The costs for the clubs goes up to an extent, and when you couple this with a club's need for an income that is increasing year on year, you can see why the costs are passed on to us, the fans. It's not right, but it's a product of the game. And I should be getting a student ticket again next year, so I'm not too worried yet
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 2:34:21 GMT 1
You only have to look in the car park at Town. Range Rover Sports, Audi R8's etc. I dont begrudge the players their luxuries, who would turn down the money they get,(i know i certainly wouldnt) but it just shows the kind of salaries that are being paid out and we are in Division 3! Also, if we want to buy players for money(Pilkington/Ainsworth/Roberts/Craney) plus the ones we all crave in the summer we have to pay. Bradford are leading the way when it comes to cheap football but look at the 'quality' they purchase and you soon see why it cant last if they want to move back up the divisions. We know they get 12000+ every week(in reality its about 8500 through the turnstiles) but that will fall the longer they stay down. Money is an emotive subject as it means so many different things to so many people and whatever Hoyle decides on the season ticket front not everyone will be happy. If they are about £250 that is just over £10 per game, bloody good value if you ask me, but hey, thats just my opinion.
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Post by pozza on Mar 18, 2009 12:45:12 GMT 1
£10 a game is about right I reckon.
I wouldn't "walk up" and pay much more than that for a Town home game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 14:01:09 GMT 1
Season tickets were £115 in Antich in 1995. Therefore, if they're more than £150 today, according to the CPI they're over-priced. The price they were at before this seasons offer was around double what should be considered good value. ie - not good value. Which is why I'm all for licensing and franchishing of football teams, or at least the establisment of an industry regulator and an enforceable framework of rules within which clubs have to operate. Private enterprise don't really do a good job of it unregulated. Given each professional club has an effective local operational monopoly it makes a lot of sense that they shouldn't be allowed carte blanche to dictate season ticket prices, shirt prices, frequency of replacing kit etc. I think this would be terrible for football and luckily it will never happen.
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Post by henseventee on Mar 18, 2009 15:26:03 GMT 1
Season tickets were £115 in Antich in 1995. Therefore, if they're more than £150 today, according to the CPI they're over-priced. The price they were at before this seasons offer was around double what should be considered good value. ie - not good value. Which is why I'm all for licensing and franchishing of football teams, or at least the establisment of an industry regulator and an enforceable framework of rules within which clubs have to operate. Private enterprise don't really do a good job of it unregulated. Given each professional club has an effective local operational monopoly it makes a lot of sense that they shouldn't be allowed carte blanche to dictate season ticket prices, shirt prices, frequency of replacing kit etc. I think this would be terrible for football and luckily it will never happen. Are you sure? Salary capping is already here for our league and will become more than voluntary and more stringently policed at some point.
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Post by henseventee on Mar 18, 2009 15:38:15 GMT 1
Season tickets were £115 in Antich in 1995. Therefore, if they're more than £150 today, according to the CPI they're over-priced. The price they were at before this seasons offer was around double what should be considered good value. ie - not good value. Which is why I'm all for licensing and franchishing of football teams, or at least the establisment of an industry regulator and an enforceable framework of rules within which clubs have to operate. Private enterprise don't really do a good job of it unregulated. Given each professional club has an effective local operational monopoly it makes a lot of sense that they shouldn't be allowed carte blanche to dictate season ticket prices, shirt prices, frequency of replacing kit etc. I agree entirely, but at the same time I can see why clubs can't realistically keep prices that low. To use the 1995 example, at that time Alan Shearer moved to Newcastle for £16million, and for that money they were getting the best striker in English footballer, and potentially in Europe. Nowadays while £16million for a player may still be a lot, it's pretty commonplace, and you only have to look at players such as Berbatov going for double that value to see that football has priced itself way above inflation. In the same vein player wages have increased across the board, and in general costs have gone up, mainly as a result of the continued consumerising of England's top division. The costs for the clubs goes up to an extent, and when you couple this with a club's need for an income that is increasing year on year, you can see why the costs are passed on to us, the fans. It's not right, but it's a product of the game. Thats not our problem, thats football administration problem, they shouldn't be spending beyond their means and then they wouldn't be 'forced' into rolling out year on year inflation busting price increases. If Greggs pay their staff an increase of 10% every year when the CPI over time is at 2%, and then they have to double or treble the price of sausage rolls just to cover costs and people stop buying them, reverting to Merrie England Roast Beef and Gravy sandwiches instead, then who is to blame when Greggs is struggling to make ends meet? The answer to Greggs in this theoretical situation is 'put your prices down to a competitive level - and I'm afraid you'll probably have to have a round of staff culls and reinvent yourself whilst you're at it, but don't come bleating to the customer about not being able to make a profit'. Likewise, (not that they're complaining particularly and Man U isn't a particularly good example due to the very special nature of their business model), but Man U weren't *forced* into spending that money on Berbatov. Just like Middlesborough weren't forced into spending £12m on Alves. Just like Town in this recent transfer window seemingly decided what they'd pay for certain players and if that wasn't enough, they wouldn't push further. It's a shame that a few clubs that have gone into admin haven't simply ceased to exist, as at the moment its seen as a get-out-of-jail card for poorly ran clubs to right-off their mismanagement, and in some cases with the same people left in ownership. As far as I can see, it actually encourages clubs to laden theirselves with massive amounts of 'friendly debt' so they can influence any CVA votes. I'm sure whilst it would be painful - if 7 or 8 League 1 & 2 clubs and a couple of Championship clubs simply ceased to exist due to their being operated insolvently and not being able to agree a rescue package, that things would ultimately change for the better. Fairy nuff - wish those kind of schemes had been around when I was!! ** Please note, I am not in any way inferring that Greggs is actually suffering financially at the moment. Nor am I suggesting that sales at Merrie England have gone through the roof.
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