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Post by LadyHestonTerrier on Mar 18, 2009 11:15:45 GMT 1
Just read this on the BBC gossip section and it made me shake my head in amazement. Will this man stop at nothing to make money by any other means than actually grafting for it?!!
"Leeds chairman Ken Bates may sue West Ham over the Carlos Tevez affair, claiming a loss of earnings on three players from Elland Road that were sold to the Blades. Matthew Kilgallon, Rob Hulse and Ian Bennett had clauses in their contracts entitling Leeds to a windfall had the players stayed in the Premier League. "(Daily Express)
Wouldn't normally create or join in any thread to do with leeds, but on this occasion I had to share this with you all.
Onwards and Upwards for the Terriers.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 18, 2009 11:19:07 GMT 1
But...He has a point  |
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Post by htafclegends on Mar 18, 2009 11:19:44 GMT 1
Yeah I saw this on Sky Sports News this morning. Papa Smurf at it again!  |
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Post by wadz89 on Mar 18, 2009 11:29:08 GMT 1
But...He has a point He's doin it for the wrong reasons, but yeah tbf he has a point. |
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Post by ben555 on Mar 18, 2009 11:48:47 GMT 1
He has a point but... if Bates gets paid out, how far down the chain of people West Ham have 'wronged' get paid out also? The hotdog seller at Bramall Lane will be claiming loss of earnings next!
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 18, 2009 11:51:41 GMT 1
As much as I loath the man, I don't think he's out of order this time. If it was Town Id expect us to take the same stance.
Talking of this Sheff Utd/West ham thing. Im fully behing Sheffield and I hope Colin and the players sue the cheating twats aswell for compensation.
But if I was one of Sheffield Utd's championship rivals, Id be questioning whether they should have to hand back the parachute payment they get from the PL that already gives them a big advantage over their rivals, now that they are getting compensation for being relegated off West Ham aswell.
In effect they are getting TWO lots of compensation for being relegated.
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Post by ben555 on Mar 18, 2009 12:03:26 GMT 1
As much as I loath the man, I don't think he's out of order this time. If it was Town Id expect us to take the same stance. Talking of this Sheff Utd/West ham thing. Im fully behing Sheffield and I hope Colin and the players sue the cheating twats aswell for compensation. But if I was one of Sheffield Utd's championship rivals, Id be questioning whether they should have to hand back the parachute payment they get from the PL that already gives them a big advantage over their rivals, now that they are getting compensation for being relegated off West Ham aswell. In effect they are getting TWO lots of compensation for being relegated. Interesting point... |
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Post by terryya on Mar 18, 2009 13:19:18 GMT 1
To be fair, I think KB has got a point this time, but agree with Ben that it is getting a bit ridiculous. I reckon fans of Northern Prem teams should sue West Ham for the extra travel costs. Interesting point by Slaps about getting the money twice though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 13:22:31 GMT 1
Surely if Sheffield United have been appropiately compensated for relegation, then it would now be up to them to pay money they would have paid to Leeds/Warnock etc. Afterall its them who would have been paying it if they had stayed up not West Ham.
The fact is the whole thing is getting ridiculous, it was 2 years ago, its time someone put an end to it.
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Post by terryya on Mar 18, 2009 13:27:35 GMT 1
Surely if Sheffield United have been appropiately compensated for relegation, then it would now be up to them to pay money they would have paid to Leeds/Warnock etc. Afterall its them who would have been paying it if they had stayed up not West Ham. The fact is the whole thing is getting ridiculous, it was 2 years ago, its time someone put an end to it. Another very good point. I thread like this, full of reasoned, well thought out arguments has no place on DATM. |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 18, 2009 13:28:28 GMT 1
Would Sheffield have had to pay the OLD l**ds ushited?
Or the NEW l**ds ushited?
If it's the OLD l**ds ushited, I don't the bates has a case.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 18, 2009 13:33:14 GMT 1
Anyhow just suppose Leeds got the money would they pass it on to the creditors they owed? They are suing one company for £140,000 when l**ds owed them £1.2m when they went into administration  |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 18, 2009 16:19:47 GMT 1
Its a good job they hadnt got a hotel booked as well
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Post by tescobag on Mar 18, 2009 19:14:22 GMT 1
hang him by his GING GANG G********S  |
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Post by specialun on Mar 18, 2009 22:24:20 GMT 1
I was thinking about this...
If sheff utd had stayed up....and warnock had stayed ....and stead had stayed as a sheff utd player ....and in the premiership .....and he siad to warnock, town have a got a cracking youngster called david mirfin, he's a blades fan....and he put a bid in say for £500k...and it started bidding war with Chelsea ////and we might have got £5m for him. So, surely we could sue for loss of earnings?
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 18, 2009 22:39:38 GMT 1
I was thinking about this... If sheff utd had stayed up....and warnock had stayed ....and stead had stayed as a sheff utd player ....and in the premiership .....and he siad to warnock, town have a got a cracking youngster called david mirfin, he's a blades fan....and he put a bid in say for £500k...and it started bidding war with Chelsea ////and we might have got £5m for him. So, surely we could sue for loss of earnings? Very Good ;D
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Post by sowerbyterrier2 on Mar 18, 2009 23:09:41 GMT 1
As much as I loath the man, I don't think he's out of order this time. If it was Town Id expect us to take the same stance. Talking of this Sheff Utd/West ham thing. Im fully behing Sheffield and I hope Colin and the players sue the cheating twats aswell for compensation. But if I was one of Sheffield Utd's championship rivals, Id be questioning whether they should have to hand back the parachute payment they get from the PL that already gives them a big advantage over their rivals, now that they are getting compensation for being relegated off West Ham aswell. In effect they are getting TWO lots of compensation for being relegated. but surely the parachute payments + compo = what they would have earned from TV rights in the prem. The parachute payments aren't "compensation" for being relegated. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2009 23:52:21 GMT 1
Richard Scudamore & Brooking (+ others at the FA/Prem lge) should resign if still in post..
Although some folk are saying draw a line etc. I hope this resurrects the whole sorry affair and get's to the people who were originally responsible for soft soaping this...
As for KB, then I can't disagree with his principles, but in context of what he's done over the years, then the hypocrisy is quite unbelievable, but shows what a rhino-skinned scumbag he is...
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Mar 19, 2009 0:28:47 GMT 1
As much as I loath the man, I don't think he's out of order this time. If it was Town Id expect us to take the same stance. Talking of this Sheff Utd/West ham thing. Im fully behing Sheffield and I hope Colin and the players sue the cheating twats aswell for compensation. But if I was one of Sheffield Utd's championship rivals, Id be questioning whether they should have to hand back the parachute payment they get from the PL that already gives them a big advantage over their rivals, now that they are getting compensation for being relegated off West Ham aswell. In effect they are getting TWO lots of compensation for being relegated. But, just think about it for a minute. If the FA had taken the proper action, that is deducting points from WHU for fielding an ineligible player, then Sheffield would not have been relegated and West Ham would have gone down. I think that the Blades deserve every penny they get. If it had been t'other way around the Blades WOULD certainly have had points deducted. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 19, 2009 1:42:13 GMT 1
As much as I loath the man, I don't think he's out of order this time. If it was Town Id expect us to take the same stance. Talking of this Sheff Utd/West ham thing. Im fully behing Sheffield and I hope Colin and the players sue the cheating twats aswell for compensation. But if I was one of Sheffield Utd's championship rivals, Id be questioning whether they should have to hand back the parachute payment they get from the PL that already gives them a big advantage over their rivals, now that they are getting compensation for being relegated off West Ham aswell. In effect they are getting TWO lots of compensation for being relegated. But, just think about it for a minute. If the FA had taken the proper action, that is deducting points from WHU for fielding an ineligible player, then Sheffield would not have been relegated and West Ham would have gone down. I think that the Blades deserve every penny they get. If it had been t'other way around the Blades WOULD certainly have had points deducted. I know. Like I said I'm glad Sheffield sued the cheats and I hope warnock and the players do aswell. sowerby, the parachute payments ARE compensation for being relegated in effect though. Its the PL saying- 'Youve gone down but you have a PL wage bill to service, so heres some money to soften the blow for a couple of years.' Whats that if it isn't compensation for being relegated? SUFC will have had 2 lots of compo for going down. Fine in the respect that it hurts West ham, who deserve hurting for playing a ineligable player, then continuing to play the ineligable player AFTER being fined £5m for playing him!! But not fine on all SUFC's rivals in the championship cos in theory, one of them could miss out on promotion to money-bags Sheffield Utd. If that happens ,they should sue West ham aswell! ;D |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Mar 19, 2009 11:27:31 GMT 1
Richard Scudamore & Brooking (+ others at the FA/Prem lge) should resign if still in post. What's Trevor Brooking got to do with it? A decent bloke who is in charge of youth development and no more. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 14:28:38 GMT 1
Richard Scudamore & Brooking (+ others at the FA/Prem lge) should resign if still in post. What's Trevor Brooking got to do with it? A decent bloke who is in charge of youth development and no more. I seem to recall that he was somehow embroiled in the prem league panel involved in the ruling - I watched this saga with real interest as i did the Leeds 15pts thing and my only summary is that the football authorities bent the rules for 2 teams, namely; Leeds Utd - presumably due to their standing in the game & the FL being hoodwinked by the way that Leeds exited administration. By rights they should have been in League2 had the rules been applied correctly (remember the "exceptional circumstances" bo**ox) West Ham - London club - please look at who influences the top end of the Prem Lge... - Predominantly London clubs, plus Man Utd & Liverpool. whilst these high profile cases were going through the legal process, many lesser clubs simply had the rules applied and the book thrown at them... Swindon - (many years ago now), financial irregularities, got demoted. Boston - Halifax - Luton - HTFC - Bradford - Rotherham (+others)all went into admin, but were brought out of admin as per the rule book... Football should really have cleaned it's act up when Leicester were re-born all them years ago and Colin went apes**t. But as we know, it's just an old boys club when you cut through it, probably almost as well organised as the mafia... |
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Mar 19, 2009 15:56:12 GMT 1
You call it an old boys club and I understand why but at the same time you fail to mention Bournemouth, Rotherham and Luton who have all come out of admin in a similar way to Leeds, and hence had a second points deduction. Leeds broke the mould but everyone else is doing the same thing now due to the tax man's stance.
I'm pretty sure Brooking wasn't involved, he had a vested interest so stayed well clear. Good bloke is Trevor. If everyone in gootball had his scruples it would be a lot better game.
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