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Post by daleterrier on Mar 19, 2009 17:35:21 GMT 1
Is this guy really good enough for Town he's been out on loan now to Forest Green (i think) and Gateshead and always ended up either coming off the bench or as an unused sub (again unused at Gateshead last night) www.htafc.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,10312~1595987,00.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 17:40:09 GMT 1
It was Rushden and Diamonds before Gateshead, but you're right, its a bit worrying that he hasn't managed to score in either of his loan spells and hasn't been able to make the team towards the end of either of his loan spells.
Some are suggesting he should be tried in our first team, but it looks like he's far from being ready and there's got to be a doubt now if he ever will be.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 19, 2009 17:50:14 GMT 1
I think it's pretty clear he isn't going to make it.
Novak is scoring for a laugh at Gateshead and we're not even sure if he'll make the grade, so I think time is up for Broadbent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 17:53:18 GMT 1
It does concern me. No disrespect to Lee Novak but it concerns me a little that a lad who has been with the academy for however long and getting a better standard of training, is unable to even play alongside someone who has never played above Blue Square North.
I just think the standard of previous academy graduates have not developed as much as we would like post 15 years of age.
I could be way off with this post but that is my opinion.
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Post by philex on Mar 19, 2009 18:58:36 GMT 1
Let's not forget he was apprentice of the year last year. Not only that, people at the Gateshead v Stalybridge game said that when Broadbent came on he played well and caused their defence problems that lead to goals.
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Post by jimharrogate on Mar 19, 2009 22:23:50 GMT 1
We seem to have enough players who play well but can't score goals.
Academy -probably a waste of money but a good youth club and keeps kids off the street.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 22:44:07 GMT 1
We seem to have enough players who play well but can't score goals. Academy - probably a waste of money but a good youth club and keeps kids off the street. Stead's fee helped save the club from meltdown. Also, Alex Smithies? I think some of the kids we have are good enough at a young age, they seem to be good enough to represent countries at youth levels (T. Clarke, Smithies, Eastwood, Collins, Berrett). I think the problem lies either at under 18 level or more likely, just as they try to break into the first team. In the past there has been no development there. I just hope our new staff can address this.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 19, 2009 22:48:49 GMT 1
We seem to have enough players who play well but can't score goals. Academy - probably a waste of money but a good youth club and keeps kids off the street. Stead's fee helped save the club from meltdown. Also, Alex Smithies? I think some of the kids we have are good enough at a young age, they seem to be good enough to represent countries at youth levels (T. Clarke, Smithies, Eastwood, Collins, Berrett). I think the problem lies either at under 18 level or more likely, just as they try to break into the first team. In the past there has been no development there. I just hope our new staff can address this. I'm not entirely sure it's something that CAN be addressed. At all clubs, including the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal etc, the number that make the jump from reserves and England Youth to Football League professionals is tiny. Just like us, the top clubs have loads of lads looking like world-beaters but then just not being able to make the step up. They have more success because their academies are much bigger and they have wider scouting, but the problems they face are still the same.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2009 22:59:51 GMT 1
Stead's fee helped save the club from meltdown. Also, Alex Smithies? I think some of the kids we have are good enough at a young age, they seem to be good enough to represent countries at youth levels (T. Clarke, Smithies, Eastwood, Collins, Berrett). I think the problem lies either at under 18 level or more likely, just as they try to break into the first team. In the past there has been no development there. I just hope our new staff can address this. I'm not entirely sure it's something that CAN be addressed. At all clubs, including the likes of Man Utd, Arsenal etc, the number that make the jump from reserves and England Youth to Football League professionals is tiny. Just like us, the top clubs have loads of lads looking like world-beaters but then just not being able to make the step up. They have more success because their academies are much bigger and they have wider scouting, but the problems they face are still the same. I agree that lots of them will go on to match their potential. But I think the percentage who play youth international and then only manage to go on and look bog standard in the lower leagues is too high.
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Post by tkmaxx on Mar 19, 2009 23:23:48 GMT 1
The academy is a bad thing for the kids there I think.
Often they are taken away from education and put all their eggs in one basket with the football where 95% are not going to make it in to professional football and earn a good living from it. For town i think its a great idea as they get to cast their eye over more than 100 kids and give them the best opportunity for little cost - Like it has been said before, Smithies and Stead will have most likely given more than enough to help the club run it for at least 5 years.
What concerns me is the morality of it but I am sure many people on here will no doubt criticise me for this but I dont think it is in the players interests themselves. For the ones that do make it it is great but for those that do not it is a problem. Shane Killock, for example, was at Greenhead College but had to leave when town offered him under £100 a week. It now looks like he will be always playing on the edge of full-time and part-time football and earning enough to get by. If the academy was run to allow him to have attended college and uni if desired I would be all for it but the restriction of education for him will no doubt come back to bite him in later life unless he makes the step up.
Telling kids at 16 not to go to college to gamble their working lives on a 5% chance of making it pro is just not fair. To allow them to attend college and further education independently away from the club would be a great thing and I also believe this would help towns academy stand out from other clubs and attract a better standard of players.
Just my opinion.
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Post by sonny on Mar 19, 2009 23:37:56 GMT 1
plus if you get an A-level and make it in the game you get to be called 'The Professor' in the dressing room...
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Post by specialun on Mar 20, 2009 0:07:02 GMT 1
Broadbent's a year younger than novak - big difference at his age. A concern he hasn't scored, but worth another year.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 0:08:52 GMT 1
The academy is a bad thing for the kids there I think. Often they are taken away from education and put all their eggs in one basket with the football where 95% are not going to make it in to professional football and earn a good living from it. For town i think its a great idea as they get to cast their eye over more than 100 kids and give them the best opportunity for little cost - Like it has been said before, Smithies and Stead will have most likely given more than enough to help the club run it for at least 5 years. What concerns me is the morality of it but I am sure many people on here will no doubt criticise me for this but I dont think it is in the players interests themselves. For the ones that do make it it is great but for those that do not it is a problem. Shane Killock, for example, was at Greenhead College but had to leave when town offered him under £100 a week. It now looks like he will be always playing on the edge of full-time and part-time football and earning enough to get by. If the academy was run to allow him to have attended college and uni if desired I would be all for it but the restriction of education for him will no doubt come back to bite him in later life unless he makes the step up. Telling kids at 16 not to go to college to gamble their working lives on a 5% chance of making it pro is just not fair. To allow them to attend college and further education independently away from the club would be a great thing and I also believe this would help towns academy stand out from other clubs and attract a better standard of players. Just my opinion. Do the academy train every day then? I just thought it was 3 or 4 days a week
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 10:51:42 GMT 1
Sorry but I disagree
Aside from the academic qualifications they get (would all of them stay in school until 18 if they weren't footballers?), there's other advantages
I worked with a lad who was in L**ds FA Youth team in the early 90's. He didn't make the grade, at 18 he knew he wasn't good enough to make the grade professionally but luckily his football skill opened doors not opened to most. He ended up getting a full scholarship at a university in the US (this was an option to him as he'd never signed a pro contract so was still classed an amateur)
At 21 he had a degree, small debts and life experience of three years of living in American. Plus some cracking experiences playing football!
When I knew him in was in his mid 20's and was a Manager and pulling a decent wage.
If Killock "only" makes it in the Conference he'll still be earning about £30k a year, not bad at all for a lad in his young 20's and if he wants will still have the opportunity to study a degree like recent players have, Barry Horne (Chemisty), Grant Johnson (European Studies), Jon Dyson (Business Studies) etc. I read somewhere John McCombe is now study at one of the Manchester Universities in and amongst playing. Being a footballer is hardly a 9-5 job, many get bored and need stuff to fill there time, e.g. Peter Cech is doing a degree by correspondance, doubt he'll need the money though after he retires!
If Killock is an academic the option is still there
If Uni isn't there thing, as a pro the PFA will sort them out. I know of another footballer who as I understand had his entire Physiotherapy course fees paid for. The PFA also pay for footballers to go on other forms of education for gratis. I think there's also a PFA pension scheme which is pretty good (I mean the PFA is so minted they can afford to buy £2m Lowry paintings for there headquarters!)
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