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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Mar 20, 2009 10:29:50 GMT 1
I was out last night with some mates, one told me he's been speaking to his cousin who works at club... I believe him about that but not about the rest but thought I'd share and see what people say.
1. We have 2 precontract agreements with players 2. A striker and a midfielder 3. We have recinded holdsworths contract offer 4. We have writte. Agreement and agreed personal terms with lambert
Like I said I don't believe this, if anything I think he's waiting to see how long it takes for me to post it. I wish people would stop going on about lambert, he'll be off to championship
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Post by yettonhtfc on Mar 20, 2009 10:37:38 GMT 1
personally i think there might be some truth in this but only the holdsworth bit he has had an awful season and if your trying to impress the manager this would be how not to play so i wouldnt be surprised if they had taken back the contract offer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 10:39:24 GMT 1
Can a contract offer just be taken back that easily once offered?
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 20, 2009 10:42:59 GMT 1
Can a contract offer just be taken back that easily once offered? Yeah, you just 'yoink' it.
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Post by yettonhtfc on Mar 20, 2009 10:47:17 GMT 1
if the contract offer was there and by all accounts it was then i dont think holdsworth was signing in the first place and was apparently offered lower than his current contract. therefore putting 2+2 together i would say they just arnt willing to meet his demands and decided not to offer a higher contract. im not saying this is true just thinking allowed if you like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 10:47:39 GMT 1
Can a contract offer just be taken back that easily once offered? I assume so. It is a bit harsh but nothing has been signed for after the end of his current contract. I don't see any reason why they couldn't say "we take back our offer". Unless there are legal technicalities I am unaware of. Also, a pre-contract agreement for a striker, could be Danny Graham - contract ended and specualtion was rife that we were after him. Although, without knowing the person who alleges this and meaning no disrespect as I do not know their character, it could all be a load of balls in the mould of the Shearer/Lita/Ameobi, etc rumour.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 10:49:29 GMT 1
I was out last night with some mates, one told me he's been speaking to his cousin who works at club... I believe him about that but not about the rest but thought I'd share and see what people say. 1. We have 2 precontract agreements with players 2. A striker and a midfielder 3. We have recinded holdsworths contract offer 4. We have writte. Agreement and agreed personal terms with lambert Like I said I don't believe this, if anything I think he's waiting to see how long it takes for me to post it. I wish people would stop going on about lambert, he'll be off to championship 1. It's possible ;D 2. I'd be surprised at a midfielder although if it was pre contract I think it might be perhaps someone who plays in Scotland (don't ask why - just a hunch..) 3. I think Holdsworth felt his contract offer was derisory so I think he'll have turned it down and asked for more money perhaps - I personally hope we keep him. 4. I'd throw one out if this was true - but I'm keeping it in my pants as he's too good for this league ;D
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2009 10:52:52 GMT 1
Player of the season -to- doesn't deserve a contract in just 10 months!!
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Post by yettonhtfc on Mar 20, 2009 10:56:26 GMT 1
you have to think like clark though its not about previous seasons yes last season he was a best player. this season TRIPE i like holdsworth but if clark is looking to cut the squad would you actually keep some1 who persists with average performances i wouldnt
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Post by terrierspam on Mar 20, 2009 10:59:14 GMT 1
holdsworth deserves 1 yeah no more than a useful back up
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Post by SaleTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 11:00:24 GMT 1
the thing holdsworth has in his favour is that he is versatile, if he was on the banch he could cover 3 or 4 positions,
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 11:00:45 GMT 1
you have to think like clark though its not about previous seasons yes last season he was a best player. this season TRIPE i like holdsworth but if clark is looking to cut the squad would you actually keep some1 who persists with average performances i wouldnt Exactly. Clark will judge it on what he has seen since he has become our manager. Not great would probably be the analysis.
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Post by yettonhtfc on Mar 20, 2009 11:08:26 GMT 1
fif im honest i always said i liked mirf at rightback and i think we would of been much better with him there this season but satan sold him holdsworth can pick a pass but i have always bet on the winger skinning holdsworth for many season as his defensive side is lacking to say the least
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 11:21:35 GMT 1
Holdsworth hasn't been "tripe" or "dire". He's been average most season and poor in the last month. He's played out of position (we saw how Goodwin got on at right back for instance ) and got on with the job without moaning etc Holdsworth is an excellent club man Besides the majority of the goals still come down our left so clearly Holdsworth must be doing something correctly! As for wages I suspect Holdsworth will now expect parity in wages with the other first teamers Ternent signed (I guess that was the reasoning behind offering new deals to under contract players like Nathan Clarke [parity with Butler maybe ] and Collins and Berrett) Quite right too IMO that Holdsworth should get something approaching parity with people like Parker, Unsworth, Flynn, Craney and Lucketti considering what those players done this season!
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Mar 20, 2009 11:21:58 GMT 1
To be fair I don't mind holdsworth but there has been consistant problems with our defence for a couple o seasons and no offence to the lad but he's a better midfielder, I want to see a dedicated rb come in
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Post by specialun on Mar 20, 2009 11:43:37 GMT 1
To be fair I don't mind holdsworth but there has been consistant problems with our defence for a couple o seasons and no offence to the lad but he's a better midfielder, I want to see a dedicated rb come in Of course he is a better midfielder - and that's where he should be playing. He;s our best all round midfielder for goodness sake! he won every award going last season in a team which finished in a better position. He won 40% of fans votes for player of the season, won players player, won media player....he won alamost every trophy going. Don't give me he doesn't score enough garbage - he made 13 assists and scored 3 goals i.e. 16 contributions to the TEAM. That's what matters, the team. For what its worth, michel flynn (the down at the mac love child) has made 3 asists in 3 seasons. But hey ho, he scored a few in a relegation threatened side playing 451 so he's god! Assists this season? Collins 3, craney 2, goodwin 1, flynn 0. Wonderful. Holdsworth made as many assists as steven gerrard and gareth barry! Maybe barry should revert to a full back like he once was. Thought not. Further, he can defend unlike collins (although he does get back into position), craney and flynn. We are too offensive away from home and hasven't addressed the balance yet. If you wnat to play 451, fine but with roberts, cranye and collins in there you're to offenisve, but they don't see enough of the ball in there to attack. He should be given another contract without any doubt whatseover and be playing in centre mid. We should get a specialist right back in as I said 12 months ago, but instead turnip created a squad full of left backs and attacking central midfielders who look for long balls. Rant over.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 11:55:00 GMT 1
One of Flynns goals was took a deflection otherwise the keeper may have saved it (Sheffield United) and another was a total gift from the Northampton keeper - he still though should be in Town's central midfield over Holdsworth, Worthy, Berrett, Fabregas, Kaka and anyone else though specialun
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 11:58:46 GMT 1
In an ideal world, we would sell flynn, holdsworth would take his squad place as a midfielder and a proper right back brought in to take holdsworths place
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 20, 2009 12:01:41 GMT 1
Complete speculation - The Midfielder, if it's not complete bullshit, could be that N'Guessan chap from Lincoln. Jacko would have good things to say about us (hopefully). It would be good to have some real power in Midfield.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Mar 20, 2009 12:04:40 GMT 1
So you just made that up? How good is he? I only know what's been said on big league weekend
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Post by specialun on Mar 20, 2009 12:08:07 GMT 1
In an ideal world, we would sell flynn, holdsworth would take his squad place as a midfielder and a proper right back brought in to take holdsworths place agree completely
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 20, 2009 12:08:08 GMT 1
To be fair I don't mind holdsworth but there has been consistant problems with our defence for a couple o seasons and no offence to the lad but he's a better midfielder, I want to see a dedicated rb come in Of course he is a better midfielder - and that's where he should be playing. He;s our best all round midfielder for goodness sake! he won every award going last season in a team which finished in a better position. He won 40% of fans votes for player of the season, won players player, won media player....he won alamost every trophy going. Don't give me he doesn't score enough garbage - he made 13 assists and scored 3 goals i.e. 16 contributions to the TEAM. That's what matters, the team. For what its worth, michel flynn (the down at the mac love child) has made 3 asists in 3 seasons. But hey ho, he scored a few in a relegation threatened side playing 451 so he's god! Assists this season? Collins 3, craney 2, goodwin 1, flynn 0. Wonderful. Holdsworth made as many assists as steven gerrard and gareth barry! Maybe barry should revert to a full back like he once was. Thought not. Further, he can defend unlike collins (although he does get back into position), craney and flynn. We are too offensive away from home and hasven't addressed the balance yet. If you wnat to play 451, fine but with roberts, cranye and collins in there you're to offenisve, but they don't see enough of the ball in there to attack. He should be given another contract without any doubt whatseover and be playing in centre mid. We should get a specialist right back in as I said 12 months ago, but instead turnip created a squad full of left backs and attacking central midfielders who look for long balls. Rant over. Spot on. What is it about our home grown players that attracts so much bullsh*t?
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Post by specialun on Mar 20, 2009 12:13:26 GMT 1
my mistake
Holdsworth only won - The Hargeraves Memorial Trophy - The Players' Player Award - The Junior Terriers Award
He didn't win the Away Supporters Award. Tut! Get rid!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 12:20:01 GMT 1
To be fair I don't mind holdsworth but there has been consistant problems with our defence for a couple o seasons and no offence to the lad but he's a better midfielder, I want to see a dedicated rb come in Of course he is a better midfielder - and that's where he should be playing. He;s our best all round midfielder for goodness sake! he won every award going last season in a team which finished in a better position. He won 40% of fans votes for player of the season, won players player, won media player....he won alamost every trophy going. Don't give me he doesn't score enough garbage - he made 13 assists and scored 3 goals i.e. 16 contributions to the TEAM. That's what matters, the team. For what its worth, michel flynn (the down at the mac love child) has made 3 asists in 3 seasons. But hey ho, he scored a few in a relegation threatened side playing 451 so he's god! Assists this season? Collins 3, craney 2, goodwin 1, flynn 0. Wonderful. Holdsworth made as many assists as steven gerrard and gareth barry! Maybe barry should revert to a full back like he once was. Thought not. Further, he can defend unlike collins (although he does get back into position), craney and flynn. We are too offensive away from home and hasven't addressed the balance yet. If you wnat to play 451, fine but with roberts, cranye and collins in there you're to offenisve, but they don't see enough of the ball in there to attack. He should be given another contract without any doubt whatseover and be playing in centre mid. We should get a specialist right back in as I said 12 months ago, but instead turnip created a squad full of left backs and attacking central midfielders who look for long balls. Rant over. While your point about Holdsworth and assists is a good one, be interesting to know how many of those came from corners. Obviously that will give him an advantage over the other central midfield players.
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Post by rage_of_ed on Mar 20, 2009 12:20:02 GMT 1
I have a sneaky feeling we've got something agree with Carlisle for Danny Graham. This isn't based on anything I've heard or concrete evidence, but I just have a hunch... Graham is out of contract in the summer and as far as I can gather, they won't receive a penny unless they sell him before hand (?). Their chance to do so was in January and from what I remember, Town were the only side to publicly go in for him. I just wonder whether our reluctance to get someone else in on fairly big money was informed by a deal struck with Carlisle....? It doesn't seem beyond the realm of possibility that the following occurred: Carlisle want money for Graham or he goes for free. Town don't want to pay over the odds with knowledge of the above. Town strike a deal where Carlisle get a reasonable amount (e.g. the initial bid estimated at around £400k) but Graham gets to stay with them until the end of the season. That way Carlisle get their money and a player who can ensure they don't slip into the relegation spots, Town eventually get their man without paying over the odds - although they have to wait. Again, all fantasy but it could possibly be a reality, right....?
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Post by bluearmy86 on Mar 20, 2009 12:25:50 GMT 1
In an ideal world, we would sell flynn, holdsworth would take his squad place as a midfielder and a proper right back brought in to take holdsworths place Agree Entirely.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 20, 2009 12:28:44 GMT 1
Nah if we wanted Graham and Carlisle weren't playing ball then we could have offered Graham a deal directly in January (which is when players out of contract that summer can legally start speaking to other clubs)
He'd could easily have agree a pre-contract with us already and then he'd sign his Town deal on 1st July or whenever his Carlisle contract ends and we'll end up giving them a little compo (which I would imagine will be small given he's almost 24 and not a direct product of Carlisle's youth system)
Sounds promising and I hope we have signed him
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Post by Floyds on Mar 20, 2009 12:53:40 GMT 1
Holdsworth has gone backwards in the last 12 months - and i actually feel it will be beneficial for his career - and the club - that he moves on. He wont want to be a squad, bit part player - but i dont think he has done enough to warrant a starting place next season.
Since Clark has not once played him in midfield, i cant see him offering him a contract on the basis that he is actually a midfielder and not a rightback?
If Lee Clark thought that - he would surely have played TC at rightback and AH in midfield by now.
He doesn't get that much stick Captain - if that were one of Ternent's signings performing like he has done this season - he would be getting alot more than he does. And as for the "won every award going" - not exactly up against much competition, we had a dreadful season.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 20, 2009 13:37:28 GMT 1
Spot on floyds - there is no conspiracy against our home grown talent at all!!I think there should be a real reality check on just how good our home grown talent actually is! Until DH got involved we had little or no cash to spend on new players and we would surely have accepted decent bids for these players from higher league clubs if they were made - furthermore, our wage bill was very low also , so surely the lads themselves would have wanted to go IF realistic bids were made. The fact is that despite great acclaim over a lengthy period, not one of them has gone on and pulled up huge trees, certainly not at any level above league 1 - noone is being condemnatory or nasty about it, just being honest.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2009 13:42:15 GMT 1
There is only smithies out of all our academy graduates that we would have any difficulting in replacing.
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