can town get rid of the flops in summer

[htafc]

Lee and his backroom staff have major rebuilding to do in terms of getting a winning team together.

Let's face we have so many average league 1 and league 2 players.

player that need to go

p. jevons
k.parker
boothy (to old)
lucketti(to old)
m. kamera
m. flynn
t.denton
d.broadbent
a.holdsworth
d.werling(don't know how good he is)
j. Tehoue(same as above)
d.unsworth(to old)

any more?
lee clarke has his work cut out to trim the squad. We have a big squad thats for sure

[Nickhudds.UTT]

Its Clark , not clarke .... not hard just four letters !!

[scottieterrier]

Can't get rid of Werling not really played, I'd get rid of one of the other LB first.

[NookTerrier]

Get rid of tehoue, we ant even got him yet

[Deleted]

Mar 20, 2009 20:10:42 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Its Clark , not clarke .... not hard just four letters !!

Just the four?

[jim100]

Mar 20, 2009 20:38:56 GMT 1 lodgey said:

Mar 20, 2009 20:10:42 GMT 1 Nickhudds.UTT said:

Its Clark , not clarke .... not hard just four letters !!

Just the four?

does it matter?

[mattyterrier2k8]

tbh its gonna be hard to get rid of the garbage at the club, i feel that list is a bit harsh on a few players though 2 of which who have hardly started a career

im sure it will be sorted theres a few out of contract and i feel this is the best pre season in many a year for a town manager who has been able to see the last half of the season and get to know what the players are about and has some decent backing and good backroom set up

[Captainslapper]

Another one who wants to get rid of Holdsworth
Our best player by some way, to one we should get rid of, all in 10 months.

Ok hes not been outstanding this season like he was last, but hes not had many bad games either, despite some trying to make out hes been really poor, or some other horseshit.
Hes been ok, consistantly ok, in a position he'd rather not be in but hes having to play because we have no one else.
Last season he was POTS in centre midfield.
Heres a crazy thought, why doesn't Clark actually try him there in these meaningless games so then he'll see that he might have a really good player for that position here. Certainly one who's several levels better than the likes of Craney of Flynn, better than Collins too IMO.
Getting rid of Holdsworth would be amazingly stupid as hes a good player, but getting rid of him without even trying him in his best position would be even stupider. Stupider even than ditching Worthy without giving him a chance at all.

just noticed Broadbent on the list too. Yeah, great idea.

[townfan4ever]

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

Lee and his backroom staff have major rebuilding to do in terms of getting a winning team together.

Let's face we have so many average league 1 and league 2 players.

player that need to go

p. jevons
k.parker
boothy (to old)
lucketti(to old)
m. kamera
m. flynn
t.denton
d.broadbent
a.holdsworth
d.werling(don't know how good he is)
j. Tehoue(same as above)
d.unsworth(to old)

any more?
lee clarke has his work cut out to trim the squad. We have a big squad thats for sure

why do you wanna get rid of:

Tom Denton
Daniel Broadbent
Andy Holdsworth
Dominik Werling
Michael Flynn

[shawsie]

Mar 20, 2009 22:02:59 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Another one who wants to get rid of Holdsworth
Our best player by some way, to one we should get rid of, all in 10 months.

Ok hes not been outstanding this season like he was last, but hes not had many bad games either, despite some trying to make out hes been really poor, or some other horseshit.
Hes been ok, consistantly ok, in a position he'd rather not be in but hes having to play because we have no one else.
Last season he was POTS in centre midfield.
Heres a crazy thought, why doesn't Clark actually try him there in these meaningless games so then he'll see that he might have a really good player for that position here. Certainly one who's several levels better than the likes of Craney of Flynn, better than Collins too IMO.
Getting rid of Holdsworth would be amazingly stupid as hes a good player, but getting rid of him without even trying him in his best position would be even stupider. Stupider even than ditching Worthy without giving him a chance at all.

just noticed Broadbent on the list too. Yeah, great idea.

I understand your point about him going from hero to zero in a short time, but to be fair he was good in a really poor team last season and only a great late run ensured we ended up in the top half of the league!
I agree also (getting more regular this capn! ) that we could do worse than give him a run in the middle, but i fear he is a player who actually needs new surroundings to kickstart his career again.

[scarlet runner]

why do people seem to think that we have to get rid of lucketti?? he hasnt been playin that bad recently and its always good to have an experienced player that others can learn from.
it also annoys me how people seem to think that we can get rid of lots of players and then suddenly replace them, theres no gaurantee that we'd be able to anyone any better in. everyone seems to think that if we get rid of certain players then we'd be able to bring someones whos better in - quality players are hard to come by.
stan tried a complete overhaul of the squad last season and look what happened, personally i believe we only need to trim the squad to a small degree while signing at least two strikers and possibly a new defender and we'd have a quality squad for next season.

[Nickhudds.UTT]

we have needed luketti with nathan out, he still can do a job at this level , he is vastly experienced imo....

[htafc]

Mar 20, 2009 22:08:56 GMT 1 @townfan4ever said:

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

Lee and his backroom staff have major rebuilding to do in terms of getting a winning team together.

Let's face we have so many average league 1 and league 2 players.

player that need to go

p. jevons
k.parker
boothy (to old)
lucketti(to old)
m. kamera
m. flynn
t.denton
d.broadbent
a.holdsworth
d.werling(don't know how good he is)
j. Tehoue(same as above)
d.unsworth(to old)

any more?
lee clarke has his work cut out to trim the squad. We have a big squad thats for sure

why do you wanna get rid of:

Tom Denton
Daniel Broadbent
Andy Holdsworth
Dominik Werling
Michael Flynn

Tom Denton will not make the grade at league 1
Daniel Broadbent not up to first team standard
Andy Holdsworth - just because he has not a contract yet
Dominik Werling i assume lee does not want him for next season
Michael Flynn will get in a boo because he hardly plays

[shawsie]

Mar 20, 2009 23:24:53 GMT 1 scarlet runner said:

why do people seem to think that we have to get rid of lucketti?? he hasnt been playin that bad recently and its always good to have an experienced player that others can learn from.
it also annoys me how people seem to think that we can get rid of lots of players and then suddenly replace them, theres no gaurantee that we'd be able to anyone any better in. everyone seems to think that if we get rid of certain players then we'd be able to bring someones whos better in - quality players are hard to come by.
stan tried a complete overhaul of the squad last season and look what happened, personally i believe we only need to trim the squad to a small degree while signing at least two strikers and possibly a new defender and we'd have a quality squad for next season.

Understand part of what you mean blue and white, but i think you are deluding yourself if you think two strikers and a centre back will suddenly make us top 2 contenders! Not unless the others suddenly find consistency which has eluded them for the last 4 years anyway.

[townfan4ever]

Mar 20, 2009 23:49:53 GMT 1 htafc said:

Mar 20, 2009 22:08:56 GMT 1 @townfan4ever said:

why do you wanna get rid of:

Tom Denton
Daniel Broadbent
Andy Holdsworth
Dominik Werling
Michael Flynn

Tom Denton will not make the grade at league 1
Daniel Broadbent not up to first team standard
Andy Holdsworth - just because he has not a contract yet
Dominik Werling i assume lee does not want him for next season
Michael Flynn will get in a boo because he hardly plays

Tom Denton - I would send him on loan next year to a League 2 club and if he can't hack it then obviously he won't make it.

Daniel Broadbent - He needs time like most youngsters do.

Andy Holdsworth - How do you know he doesn't have a contract? they could be sorting it out at the moment...

Dominik Werling - He would be good backup to Williams so I would definitely keep him.

Michael Flynn - He's not been given a proper chance yet and he was also played out of position under Stanley, if he is given a chance to prove himself next season I am sure he'll do well for us.

[Deleted]

broadbents a no no. i knoww you shouldnt judge a player on 20 mins but at stalybridge vs gateshead he wasnt up too scratch

[andyhudd]

Perhaps it's not a case of us not offering Holdsworth a contract, but one of him being offered a deal elsewhere.

Perhaps the club in question is Scottish.

[Captainslapper]

Mar 21, 2009 0:18:47 GMT 1 shawsie said:

Mar 20, 2009 23:24:53 GMT 1 scarlet runner said:

why do people seem to think that we have to get rid of lucketti?? he hasnt been playin that bad recently and its always good to have an experienced player that others can learn from.
it also annoys me how people seem to think that we can get rid of lots of players and then suddenly replace them, theres no gaurantee that we'd be able to anyone any better in. everyone seems to think that if we get rid of certain players then we'd be able to bring someones whos better in - quality players are hard to come by.
stan tried a complete overhaul of the squad last season and look what happened, personally i believe we only need to trim the squad to a small degree while signing at least two strikers and possibly a new defender and we'd have a quality squad for next season.

Understand part of what you mean blue and white, but i think you are deluding yourself if you think two strikers and a centre back will suddenly make us top 2 contenders! Not unless the others suddenly find consistency which has eluded them for the last 4 years anyway.

Just the 2 strikers would do that. An extra 20-30 goals if they're reasonably prolific meaning a boat load more points.
Give Collins/Holdsworth/Craney/Roberts someone to link with so probably get even more goals from midfield aswell.
If we'd had 2 decent strikers this season we'd be pushing top 2 now.

[iangreaves]

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

player that need to go
p. jevons
k.parker

They do need to go. Although they are under contract, I suspect there would be willing takers.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

boothy (to old)

Boothy should retire rather than go on too long and spoil his relationship with the fans.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

lucketti(to old)

He's been one of our best players since standing in for Nathan.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

m. kamera

Not a footballer. Should consider a career change.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

m. flynn

He was caught up in the management merry-go-round. Never really been given a run although he was scoring for fun at the start of the season. If we don't want him I'm sure there'll be takers because MK Dons wanted him at the same time as us.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

t.denton

I haven't seen him play so cannot really judge.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

d.broadbent

Again, I haven't seen enough of him to make a judgement.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

a.holdsworth

Unfortunately for Holdsworth, he has been played out of position for most of his time in the first team. He is not a full back. He has been poor all season - that's why he was dropped and Goodwin was tried there. We need a specialist right back.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

d.werling(don't know how good he is)

I think three left backs in the squad is a luxury. One will have to go.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

j. Tehoue(same as above)

None of us have seen him play and I get the impression we never will. He seems to have upset the Turks.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

d.unsworth(to old)

I am sure he will be leaving if he's out of contract.

Mar 20, 2009 20:04:01 GMT 1 htafc said:

any more?

Sounds like Glennon will be leaving. Clark is talking about Eastwood challenging Smithies for the shirt.

I think Worthington will be on his way.

I wouldn't give Cadamarteri another contract. Doesn't play enough and we have other options out wide.

[Deleted]

Unsworth and Kamara are out of contract in summer so they'll be gone. Tehoue has a contract til summer so unless Clark wants him next year, he won't be here. Same with Werling.

There would be plenty of takers for Jevons, Parker and Flynn I should think. It just depends on whether the clubs(s) in question can agree a price and personal terms.

Lucketti has been decent for us of late. Whether he will be needed as back up for next season is another question.

Boothy will probably retire.

Holdsworth is out of contract so unless he signs a new one here, will find another club easily. Worthington will probably sign with Yeovil. Otherwise there will be other clubs willing to take him on.

Denton hasn't played for the first team and Broadbent has barely played for us either. They will be on small wages so why not loan them out/see how they fair in the reserves next year.

There you go. All easily gone if necessary other than Flynn, Craney, Parker who other clubs would probably be interested in anyway.

[monkey]

Mar 20, 2009 22:02:59 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Another one who wants to get rid of Holdsworth
Our best player by some way, to one we should get rid of, all in 10 months.

Ok hes not been outstanding this season like he was last, but hes not had many bad games either, despite some trying to make out hes been really poor, or some other horseshit.
Hes been ok, consistantly ok, in a position he'd rather not be in but hes having to play because we have no one else.
Last season he was POTS in centre midfield.
Heres a crazy thought, why doesn't Clark actually try him there in these meaningless games so then he'll see that he might have a really good player for that position here. Certainly one who's several levels better than the likes of Craney of Flynn, better than Collins too IMO.
Getting rid of Holdsworth would be amazingly stupid as hes a good player, but getting rid of him without even trying him in his best position would be even stupider. Stupider even than ditching Worthy without giving him a chance at all.

just noticed Broadbent on the list too. Yeah, great idea.

You don't understand why people want rid, I'm not too sure on your reason for keeping him (AH).

The players train week in week out, and I imagine they try different positions in training. Above all, Lee Clark was a centre midfielder, if anyone knows the best attributes to play in that position it's him. Holdsworth may have been player of the season, but let's face it, we did get absolutely gubbed in some of the games he played in the middle (Walsall, Lost 4-0. Tranmere, lost 3-0) as well as winning. I'm not lumping all the blame on him, but to say he was outstanding speaks volumes about his team mates. As no clubs came in for him close season (I imagine if they had, he'd have gone, as Turnip didn't like him), in fact, off the top of my head, in January wasn't all the talk of Worthy going to Leeds? Just as the summer concentrated on the influx of players.

Now that Tom Clarke is fit (and considered a RB in his early career), does it not ring bells that if he is THE best midfielder we have, now we have a spare right back, he hasn't gone straight into CM. You can't really say it's based on the performance of the other midfielders, because Goodwins replacements (TC and IC) haven't been in the team. If he is THAT good, then he wold be in CM right now, regardless of whether we had a spare RB or not.

As a greedy league example, when Man Utd have to fill in at LB, they use their average players (O'Shea). They don't shove Ronaldo there do they?*

* Awaits thats because Ronaldo can't tackle/is an attacker retort. In response, in advance to this, Holdsworth can't exactly tackle at the best of times either.