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Post by pozza on Mar 21, 2009 18:57:42 GMT 1
Clark comes out midweek says he wants a reaction....... Great reaction being 2-0 down to a team bottom of the league within 20 mins  Playing Boothy up front with Jutkiewicz. Was never going to work seeing has they have the combined speed at full tilt as a 3 legged tortoise. No patterns of play throughout the game. If anyone can tell me what the fuck was going on out there today please do, becuase I cant for the life of me work it out. Sometimes it was long, then it was sort. Players didn't seem on the same  lenght at all. Keeping 4 at the back when losing 2-1, playing the bottom of the league with only 10 men  Surley makes sense to take of a defender and push someone on up front....... Taking Roberts off for Ainsworth. OK Garry wasn't having his best game for us, but he's more of a goal threat than Tom Clarke stood at right back marking space and doing fuck all Fair play to him for taking Jutkiewicz off as soon as he did. The guy is obviously not good enough. Although if Cads is fit enough to play 70 mins then why not start with him (see my 1st point) Thought taking Goodwin off was also a good choice. Was no need for him being there so bringing Flynn on was the right thing to do. I know Clark can only work with what he has got, but surly if he had any tactical nounse about him he could see we didn't need 4 at the back. 1 of his substituions was just pointless, and the way we played was all to pot. Players have to take some of the blame I know, but its to Clark to make sure these players are playing to the best of thier ability at all times. All round, not good enough. Nowhere near in fact. We shouldn't be battling to get a result AT HOME against THE BOTTOM of the league, playing for 20 odd mins against 10 MENAgain, as I said last week, from what I've seen from Clark so far i'm not convinced at all. Anyways, enough of all that shite, i'm off to get pissed  |
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Post by SN0W on Mar 21, 2009 19:01:45 GMT 1
Lee Clark's lack of experience is showing... he made some poor choices today (again)..... he seriously needs some coaching and direction from his management team
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 21, 2009 19:08:07 GMT 1
Lee Clark's lack of experience is showing... he made some poor choices today (again)..... he seriously needs some coaching and direction from his management team If Lee Clark learns from these mistakes then it'll have been worth it. Bear in mind its his first managerial post I think you have to cut the guy a bit of slack. There's deffo been an improvement on the ST team & style of football The problem is if the same old mistakes happen again & again & again but with a team LC puts together. |
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Post by terryya on Mar 21, 2009 19:17:00 GMT 1
I thought that LC did ok toady with his subs. Obviously no arguments about taking the £1m man off, and to be fair GR and JG were pretty poor today (what has happened to Roberts dead balls?). I can understand why people would suggest taking a defender off against 10 men but IIRC I think that Town have probably let in more than we've scored when a man up this season!
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Post by specialun on Mar 21, 2009 19:52:13 GMT 1
Most managers would have waited until half time to make a change - he didn;t. Good to see
I'd have gone 3 at the back (there's an argument that we had three at the back all game as clarke and lucketti played as half a man each) but I understand why he didn't i.e. to keep the width with two on each side...problemn being clarke doesn't get forwards emough.
I'd have brought on berrett and ainsworth for lucketti and goodwin. Berrett in front of the back three, pilkington more central/advanced with roberts/ainsworth on the wings.
But still, we had 11 shots, they had 4.
We were awful for 30 mins, dominant for 60, hit the bar, should have had two more penalties, cadders should have scored, their keeper made a few decent saves.
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Post by terrierpark on Mar 21, 2009 19:59:45 GMT 1
i AGREE WITH YOU POZZA AND STAND BY EVERTYTHING I SAID LAST WEEK CLARK AINT LEARNING AND HE ISNT MANAGING.
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Post by SN0W on Mar 21, 2009 20:25:04 GMT 1
Most managers would have waited until half time to make a change - he didn;t. Good to see Most managers would have never played him in the first place... especially after the last dismal outing |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 20:37:49 GMT 1
Clark comes out midweek says he wants a reaction....... Great reaction being 2-0 down to a team bottom of the league within 20 mins Playing Boothy up front with Jutkiewicz. Was never going to work seeing has they have the combined speed at full tilt as a 3 legged tortoise. No patterns of play throughout the game. If anyone can tell me what the fuck was going on out there today please do, becuase I cant for the life of me work it out. Sometimes it was long, then it was sort. Players didn't seem on the same lenght at all. Keeping 4 at the back when losing 2-1, playing the bottom of the league with only 10 men Surley makes sense to take of a defender and push someone on up front....... Taking Roberts off for Ainsworth. OK Garry wasn't having his best game for us, but he's more of a goal threat than Tom Clarke stood at right back marking space and doing fuck all Fair play to him for taking Jutkiewicz off as soon as he did. The guy is obviously not good enough. Although if Cads is fit enough to play 70 mins then why not start with him (see my 1st point) Thought taking Goodwin off was also a good choice. Was no need for him being there so bringing Flynn on was the right thing to do. I know Clark can only work with what he has got, but surly if he had any tactical nounse about him he could see we didn't need 4 at the back. 1 of his substituions was just pointless, and the way we played was all to pot. Players have to take some of the blame I know, but its to Clark to make sure these players are playing to the best of thier ability at all times. All round, not good enough. Nowhere near in fact. We shouldn't be battling to get a result AT HOME against THE BOTTOM of the league, playing for 20 odd mins against 10 MENAgain, as I said last week, from what I've seen from Clark so far i'm not convinced at all. Anyways, enough of all that shite, i'm off to get pissed Oops. Sorry Pozza, I should have read this post before posting an almost identical one. |
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 22:34:23 GMT 1
i AGREE WITH YOU POZZA AND STAND BY EVERTYTHING I SAID LAST WEEK CLARK AINT LEARNING AND HE ISNT MANAGING. With respect terrierpark, the guy is very much learning...........the problem is he cant do alot about what he has inherited until the summer! He has told the players only this week that they are on trial for their places next season and what do they serve up to prove to him they want to stay - half arsed, unprofessional garbage!!! The goalkeeper had an ok day, but only williams of the back four showed up and pilks excepted in midfield we were hopeless. Add to that an ageing striker confirming he is way past his best and a young lad who doesnt look like he wants or deserves to be on the pitch and all in all bloody hopeless!!!!! Some supporters think with two decent strikers we would be up there at the top of the league - am sorry but that is wishful thinking! Three home games recently and six goals conceded - that shows the problems aint just going forward! Mrs Clark better be an understanding woman cos her husband is going to have a busy summer! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2009 22:43:35 GMT 1
Did anyone notice how extremely animated Clark was in the dugout today? Its good to see passion but tbh he looked like he'd lost it ! He looked like the most frustrated man in the world - he must have smashed water bottles on the ground at least 3 times and nearly kicked loads of stuff. Add to that the rather unproffesional jersey javelin and he looked like a desperate man.
Even Mad Dog looked over and must have thought ' jeez that guys a loon!'
Clarky even eluded in his post match interview that he is not normally like this 'this is not me'
I think he has flipped!
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 23:13:00 GMT 1
Did anyone notice how extremely animated Clark was in the dugout today? Its good to see passion but tbh he looked like he'd lost it ! He looked like the most frustrated man in the world - he must have smashed water bottles on the ground at least 3 times and nearly kicked loads of stuff. Add to that the rather unproffesional jersey javelin and he looked like a desperate man. Even Mad Dog looked over and must have thought ' jeez that guys a loon!' Clarky even eluded in his post match interview that he is not normally like this 'this is not me' I think he has flipped! You can see why though maynard - most of our fans have been that way from time to time in the last couple of years. Thought it was telling today though that some fans were laughing at how poor we were rather than being angry, me included. Thought their second goal just summed the players up - Collins plays a crap ball to Jokeavitch and they argue with each other as the ball sails over a statuesque Lucketti's head to a Cheltenham striker who makes Butler look like he is playing on ice without skates before slotting beyond a stranded keeper! |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2009 23:17:20 GMT 1
Shawsie, don't have a go at Collins - he scored the winner against Leeds, therefore he's brilliant and untouchable and can never be dropped no matter how completely fucking ineffective he is.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 23:24:29 GMT 1
Thought it was just me shades!!!
Wouldnt mind so much if the lad didnt have genuine ability, but his contribution to games (particularly when we are up against it physically) just isnt enough! Granted he scores goals, and that is a rarity for a midfield player but i find myself asking is he any better or more consistent now than he was when he made his debut and i find myself saying no he is not!!
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Post by hughphamism on Mar 22, 2009 13:50:39 GMT 1
I only caught the 2nd half today but Collins was terrible for most of it.
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Post by AndySk on Mar 22, 2009 13:56:05 GMT 1
I only caught the 2nd half today but Collins was terrible for most of it. It was pretty much a standard Collins performance. 1 good shot. Missing for large periods of the game. Textbook. |
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Post by terrierashton on Mar 22, 2009 14:03:26 GMT 1
I am a fan of Collins but he was absolutely awful yesterday. His touch was terrible and the game actually did pass him by. I would also like to thinks that anyone who rates Collins (as I do) would think the same.
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Post by terryya on Mar 22, 2009 15:30:58 GMT 1
In the 1st half Collins was the only one who looked like doing anything at all until Cads came on and the whole team lifted. I don't think the pitch helped anyone in midfield yesterday as it was much too hard and everyone was usually having to control a ball that was somewhere between their thigh and head.
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Post by pozza on Mar 22, 2009 16:09:18 GMT 1
I am a fan of Collins but he was absolutely awful yesterday. His touch was terrible and the game actually did pass him by. I would also like to thinks that anyone who rates Collins (as I do) would think the same. I think Collins is technically the best player we have at Town & i'm one of his biggest fans, but yeah I'd agree yesterday he was very poor. |
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 22, 2009 16:18:19 GMT 1
I am a fan of Collins but he was absolutely awful yesterday. His touch was terrible and the game actually did pass him by. I would also like to thinks that anyone who rates Collins (as I do) would think the same. I think Collins is technically the best player we have at Town & i'm one of his biggest fans, but yeah I'd agree yesterday he was very poor. Pilkington is far better technically than Collins. Collins is very over rated on here. He can be technically very good, but only in fits and starts. He is never going to produce it on a regular basis |
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lenght at all.
Surley makes sense to take of a defender and push someone on up front.......
