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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 22:55:04 GMT 1
in thinking we are anywhere near good enough with this current group of players to get near promotion. We are now nearer the relegation places than the play offs and Dean Hoyle must be dismayed that all the investment he has put in has yielded absolutely nothing this season. What more do these players need to do something for the club? They are well paid, have good training facilities, are well looked after home and away, play in front of some of the highest gates in the league in a great stadium and for a club with a proud history and yet two weeks out of three we get absolute mediocrity!!! We are now on our fifth manager in less than five years and yet the same drivel is served up by a group of overrated academy products and overpaid yesterdays men!! I sincerely hope Lee Clark wields the axe in the coming weeks and gives all the fringe players opportunities to impress before having a good cull of the squad in the summer.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2009 22:56:50 GMT 1
Spot on Shawsie.
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 21, 2009 23:01:29 GMT 1
I've said this before but there are only 8 players in this squad that are good enough to play for a top league one side:
Smithies N.Clarke (maybe) Williams (shown recently he is good enough at this level) Goodwin Roberts (awful of late but clearly has it in him) Ainsworth (given time to settle he will come good) Pilkington Cads
The rest really are just average players at this level as they constantly show week in week out
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 21, 2009 23:01:41 GMT 1
Ive been told by someone very close to Clark ( not his mrs ), that Deano is really backing Clark with a budget for new players and a massive summer clearout . A few deals are already more or less done including 2 new strikers ! There are going to be some more big staff changes re the academy also in the summer. Clark is far from happy , as we know, with certain players. He ripped up holdsworths new contract when holdsworth demanded a better deal and hed been playing crap. Clark wont tolerate demands from mediocre players. TTID
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Post by luke2htfc on Mar 21, 2009 23:04:13 GMT 1
i will concede that we are not good enough if we havent improved by december, because atm i am waiting for clark to make his own signings, have his own pre season, and then see how him and his premier league quality backroom staff do, but if we don't do it next season, i cant see how we'll ever do it..
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Post by space hardware on Mar 21, 2009 23:05:10 GMT 1
offside-clyde's list is about right. A lot of people on here will disagree though...
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Mar 21, 2009 23:05:29 GMT 1
Ive been told by someone very close to Clark ( not his mrs ), that Deano is really backing Clark with a budget for new players and a massive summer clearout . A few deals are already more or less done including 2 new strikers ! There are going to be some more big staff changes re the academy also in the summer. Clark is far from happy , as we know, with certain players. He ripped up holdsworths new contract when holdsworth demanded a better deal and hed been playing crap. Clark wont tolerate demands from mediocre players. TTID The latter of your statement which is very interesting if true!!
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 23:06:50 GMT 1
Ive been told by someone very close to Clark ( not his mrs ), that Deano is really backing Clark with a budget for new players and a massive summer clearout . A few deals are already more or less done including 2 new strikers ! There are going to be some more big staff changes re the academy also in the summer. Clark is far from happy , as we know, with certain players. He ripped up holdsworths new contract when holdsworth demanded a better deal and hed been playing crap. Clark wont tolerate demands from mediocre players. TTID I sincerely hope so Nick because its long overdue!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 21, 2009 23:07:47 GMT 1
oh yes, its true alright..... not naming my source but he did, he is not happy with Mr Holdsworth who seems to think he has a divine right to name his price/ terms !
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 21, 2009 23:08:51 GMT 1
oh yes, its true alright..... not naming my source but he did, he is not happy with Mr Holdsworth who seems to think he has a divine right to name his price/ terms ! If only Tom Clarke had demanded more money...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 21, 2009 23:10:21 GMT 1
;D lol !!
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Mar 21, 2009 23:10:52 GMT 1
oh yes, its true alright..... not naming my source but he did, he is not happy with Mr Holdsworth who seems to think he has a divine right to name his price/ terms ! Wouldnt want ya to name ya source - I believe u many others wouldnt
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Mar 21, 2009 23:11:48 GMT 1
oh yes, its true alright..... not naming my source but he did, he is not happy with Mr Holdsworth who seems to think he has a divine right to name his price/ terms ! If only Tom Clarke had demanded more money... Classic !!! have a positive
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Post by samhudds on Mar 21, 2009 23:15:03 GMT 1
I don't think an overload of new players is needed, 4/5 quality signings (to the standard of pilkington) IMO would get us more or less up there. We have a huge squad, so quite a few players will have to leave (I can see at least 10 players leaving), which would still leave us with a squad of at least 25.
2 more strikers (3 including Novak) Centre back Right back possibly a defensive mid to cover for Goodwin
Should do the job!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Mar 21, 2009 23:16:30 GMT 1
thats what i think he will do.......
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Post by andyfcuk85 on Mar 21, 2009 23:20:25 GMT 1
I would add a left back to your list because i think scarz and werling will go and need decent cover or someone who is gonna really push williams ........ IMO could be wrong
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Mar 21, 2009 23:33:24 GMT 1
We are just an ordinary side. All this hype about promotion from some fans when Clarke took over, and now the reality as hit home big style. We need at least six new players for next season, and they will need time to fit in, so we might make the play offs next season!!. Remember that this is all new to Lee, and he will need time, because tactically, he needs to learn the game.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 21, 2009 23:47:10 GMT 1
Think you are right bill. For me we need:- A new right back. A new centre back At least one centre mid player. At least two first team strikers + Novak. Also, think we may just need a new keeper because the paper rumours re smithies aint going away despite his new deal.
Assuming we get the above, there will be 10/12 likely to leave - i would have thought glennon, unsworth, worthy, parker, jevons, are certainties to go and lucketti, craney, cads, holdsworth, boothy, flynn more likely than not to depart if others want them.
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Post by tnk on Mar 21, 2009 23:58:05 GMT 1
I've said this before but there are only 8 players in this squad that are good enough to play for a top league one side: Smithies N.Clarke (maybe) Williams (shown recently he is good enough at this level) Goodwin Roberts (awful of late but clearly has it in him) Ainsworth (given time to settle he will come good) Pilkington Cads The rest really are just average players at this level as they constantly show week in week out Gotta agree with that list, what about collins though? Don't you think he's good enough to keep his place next season? I know he's got his fans on here and those that don't like him but for me he disappears too much in every game i've seen him this season. Although he's obviously come up with alot of valuble goals this season. Tricky one
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Post by DuncanShearer on Mar 22, 2009 0:03:45 GMT 1
An old football cliche...............form is temporary, class is permanent and I don't mean that in a positive way when it comes to the current first team.
The recent dip in form is simply a case of resuming normal service after the honeymoon period of playing under what was a father figure to most academy players, and then the new management team.
Anyone who disagrees with the likes of Jevons going out on loan isn't seeing the bigger picture. Its a case of preparing for next season now and taking any opportunity to get rid of contracted players that haven't been, and still aren't good enough to take the club forward.
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 22, 2009 0:08:51 GMT 1
I've said this before but there are only 8 players in this squad that are good enough to play for a top league one side: Smithies N.Clarke (maybe) Williams (shown recently he is good enough at this level) Goodwin Roberts (awful of late but clearly has it in him) Ainsworth (given time to settle he will come good) Pilkington Cads The rest really are just average players at this level as they constantly show week in week out Gotta agree with that list, what about collins though? Don't you think he's good enough to keep his place next season? I know he's got his fans on here and those that don't like him but for me he disappears too much in every game i've seen him this season. Although he's obviously come up with alot of valuble goals this season. Tricky one I forgot about Collins to be honest. I would say that we need someone with more creativity than Collins. He scores goals, but a Collins assist is very rare and we need someone who can provide more for the team
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 22, 2009 0:13:26 GMT 1
I don't think an overload of new players is needed, 4/5 quality signings (to the standard of pilkington) IMO would get us more or less up there. We have a huge squad, so quite a few players will have to leave (I can see at least 10 players leaving), which would still leave us with a squad of at least 25. 2 more strikers (3 including Novak) Centre back Right back possibly a defensive mid to cover for Goodwin Should do the job! Sam, absolutely spot on mate. 2 good defenders & 2 top strikers (at our level) is all we need. Smithies is fine (though nowhere near the finished article), and if he goes it will be for a decent fee (though I doubt it will run into the several million that has been mentioned on here). Williams & Butler will do, though butler needs someone with pace alongside him, and 2 new players. Who in our division will have a better midfield than Roberts, Pilkington, Goodwin plus a.n other from Collins, Craney, Flynn, Berrett, Ainsworth or Cads? 2 new strikers, with novak to be seen as an added bonus, and bob's your uncle. Admittedly, the last few games have been poop, & Clark really worried me with his second 2 subs today & his reluctance to go 3 at the back, but all-in-all I don't think we are in anywhere near as bad a position as some on here would have. If we can get those key men in postion, who are roughly on a par with Pilks, we will be laughing.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 22, 2009 0:27:11 GMT 1
I don't think an overload of new players is needed, 4/5 quality signings (to the standard of pilkington) IMO would get us more or less up there. We have a huge squad, so quite a few players will have to leave (I can see at least 10 players leaving), which would still leave us with a squad of at least 25. 2 more strikers (3 including Novak) Centre back Right back possibly a defensive mid to cover for Goodwin Should do the job! Sam, absolutely spot on mate. 2 good defenders & 2 top strikers (at our level) is all we need. Smithies is fine (though nowhere near the finished article), and if he goes it will be for a decent fee (though I doubt it will run into the several million that has been mentioned on here). Williams & Butler will do, though butler needs someone with pace alongside him, and 2 new players. Who in our division will have a better midfield than Roberts, Pilkington, Goodwin plus a.n other from Collins, Craney, Flynn, Berrett, Ainsworth or Cads? 2 new strikers, with novak to be seen as an added bonus, and bob's your uncle. Admittedly, the last few games have been poop, & Clark really worried me with his second 2 subs today & his reluctance to go 3 at the back, but all-in-all I don't think we are in anywhere near as bad a position as some on here would have. If we can get those key men in postion, who are roughly on a par with Pilks, we will be laughing. Who will have a better midfield? ? Well cheltenham's was no worse today than ours and they are miles adrift at the bottom!!!!!!!
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Post by Some Random Name on Mar 22, 2009 3:11:13 GMT 1
Ive been told by someone very close to Clark ( not his mrs ), that Deano is really backing Clark with a budget for new players and a massive summer clearout . A few deals are already more or less done including 2 new strikers ! There are going to be some more big staff changes re the academy also in the summer. Clark is far from happy , as we know, with certain players. He ripped up holdsworths new contract when holdsworth demanded a better deal and hed been playing crap. Clark wont tolerate demands from mediocre players. TTID The latter is not true, Holdsworth has not demanded anything. Clark is far from happy with certain players and with the way things are but that's common knowledge, it's on the website for all to read every week. Careful how you word things as it seems that once it's put on here it's gospel even when that isn't the case. Andy Holdsworth, more than likely, will not be at HTFC next season but not for the reason you're implying.
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Post by scouthiller on Mar 22, 2009 14:14:52 GMT 1
any chance of expanding on that please
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Post by belvoirterrier on Mar 22, 2009 14:39:45 GMT 1
Come on Clarky, the vast majority of Town fans are behind you and have faith in your ability to get it right next season Please get rid of many in the current squad who have repeatedly failed to deliver and build your own team for next season, who will do the business week in week out. I hope Shawsies post about Deanos backing is right. Get behind LC dont blame him entirely for the dross served up at the moment by players who dont seem to want to or dont have the ability to, take to club where LC wants to take it.Keep the faith.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 15:41:43 GMT 1
Lambert & Graham in the summer was the rumour round our neck of the Antich.
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 22, 2009 15:48:01 GMT 1
Lambert & Graham in the summer was the rumour round our neck of the Antich. Would get a hat full from Pilkington assists alone. May lack pace but to be honest that isnt much of a worry if Ainsworth and Pilkington are out wide
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Post by townatheart on Mar 22, 2009 15:59:32 GMT 1
I've said this before but there are only 8 players in this squad that are good enough to play for a top league one side: Smithies N.Clarke (maybe) Williams (shown recently he is good enough at this level) Goodwin Roberts (awful of late but clearly has it in him) Ainsworth (given time to settle he will come good) Pilkington Cads The rest really are just average players at this level as they constantly show week in week out Gotta agree with that list, what about collins though? Don't you think he's good enough to keep his place next season? I know he's got his fans on here and those that don't like him but for me he disappears too much in every game i've seen him this season. Although he's obviously come up with alot of valuble goals this season. Tricky one collins and cads are the two tricky ones for me, but i think i would keep both of them, at least to have in the squad, particularily cads who shows every bit of determination and willingness to play for his shirt.
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Post by pozza on Mar 22, 2009 16:01:54 GMT 1
I've said this before but there are only 8 players in this squad that are good enough to play for a top league one side: Smithies N.Clarke (maybe) Williams (shown recently he is good enough at this level) Goodwin Roberts (awful of late but clearly has it in him) Ainsworth (given time to settle he will come good) Pilkington Cads The rest really are just average players at this level as they constantly show week in week out Collins needs to be added to that list an all.
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