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Post by midlander on Mar 23, 2009 0:39:44 GMT 1
to Matt Glennon, I wonder how much abuse he would have got yesterday?
He was in a clear position on the edge of his box to deal with the long ball, prior to the second goal. He decided to retreat.
He dropped yet another cross in the first half (it's becoming a weekly occurence) and it could easily have resulted in a third Cheltenham goal.
Don't get me wrong, I rate the lad, BUT Glennon would have been loudly berated for either of those indiscretions. So why do some players become vocally victimised when others are allowed to make similar (or worse) errors and be immune to abuse?
I feel for the likes of Williams, Glennon, Nathan Clarke at times as they seem to get crucified every time they make an error. Williams' treatment by some after the pen miss yesterday was an absolute joke, in the context of another solid performance by him.
I'm not advocating being vocally critical to any Town player - quite the opposite, as it does no good at all and nobody means to make mistakes.
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Post by SaleTerrier on Mar 23, 2009 1:18:52 GMT 1
i think its Glennon making continous mistakes that cost us goals, where as smithies generaly gets away with them.
its just down to luck that Smithies gets away with his mistakes (except yesterday) whereas glennon was punished for most.
I think had smithies come out yesterday he may still have been beaten to the ball, their guy seemed to slow down once he knew smithies was staying put. But i agree that had it been Glennon he would be recieving a serious amount of abuse for it.
Smithies makes some top class saves on a more regular basis than Glennon (although Glennon made a few great saves)
Smithies has his age on his side (doesnt seem to help lukas) but he's still learning, and now there's nothing really to play for it'd be best for him to make the mistakes now and learn from them. I dont think the fans realise that he does make a fair few mistakes, because he's not punished for them
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 1:25:34 GMT 1
i think its Glennon making continous mistakes that cost us goals, where as smithies generaly gets away with them. its just down to luck that Smithies gets away with his mistakes (except yesterday) whereas glennon was punished for most. I think had smithies come out yesterday he may still have been beaten to the ball, their guy seemed to slow down once he knew smithies was staying put. But i agree that had it been Glennon he would be recieving a serious amount of abuse for it. Smithies makes some top class saves on a more regular basis than Glennon (although Glennon made a few great saves) Smithies has his age on his side (doesnt seem to help lukas) but he's still learning, and now there's nothing really to play for it'd be best for him to make the mistakes now and learn from them. I dont think the fans realise that he does make a fair few mistakes, because he's not punished for them Just about to say the fact that he gets away with them is the difference. I like Matt Glennon, but I don't know any other keeper who has conceded 2 goals through his legs that he could (should?) have saved. Either way, I don't think it really matters. I heard 2 or 3 people saying "Smithies has been crap since he signed his contract". Not true in my opinion. The entire team has been poorer but not really Smithies more noticeably so than anybody else. With a half decent defence in front of him I think he would have conceded about half as many. To me, if anybody's mistakes go uncriticised, it is Williams. He doesn't ever mark but people seem to always say he has had a really good game. But I won't go there regarding Williams as he has been better recently and a lot of people won't hear a word about any mistake he makes. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 23, 2009 1:26:49 GMT 1
to Matt Glennon, I wonder how much abuse he would have got yesterday? He was in a clear position on the edge of his box to deal with the long ball, prior to the second goal. He decided to retreat. He dropped yet another cross in the first half (it's becoming a weekly occurence) and it could easily have resulted in a third Cheltenham goal. Don't get me wrong, I rate the lad, BUT Glennon would have been loudly berated for either of those indiscretions. So why do some players become vocally victimised when others are allowed to make similar (or worse) errors and be immune to abuse? I feel for the likes of Williams, Glennon, Nathan Clarke at times as they seem to get crucified every time they make an error. Williams' treatment by some after the pen miss yesterday was an absolute joke, in the context of another solid performance by him. I'm not advocating being vocally critical to any Town player - quite the opposite, as it does no good at all and nobody means to make mistakes. Totally agree mate |
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Post by SaleTerrier on Mar 23, 2009 1:51:08 GMT 1
i agree about the williams comments, he has improved and is playing well, but he doesn't do the basics on occasion, yesterday was a good example of him having a decent game, but then a few minutes before the penalty, mis placing a pass to roberts which was a basic skill, and caught of of position by not concentrating
so when he took the ball of collins for the pen, i didnt think he would score, but had he not made these i would have thought he would have score
but yeah, he has been much much better in the past month or so, but he still isnt a good defender
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Post by davidpgowinghtafc on Mar 23, 2009 9:31:47 GMT 1
"Smithies has his age on his side (doesnt seem to help lukas) but he's still learning,"
The big difference is that Smithies TRIES hard while Lukas is just a lazy get. Strikers often seem lazy but are forgiven when they score goals. Lukas is lazy and does NOT score goals. Town fans will generally forgive mistakes if players give it their all but like most Yorkshire folk will NOT tolerate lack of effort.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 9:59:08 GMT 1
Okay, it wasn't the greatest of games on Saturday (putting it mildly) but I couldn't fault anyone for effort, especially in the second half. I thought our players ran themselves into the ground trying to make ammends for the disasterous first 20 minutes of the game. And they nearly succeeded in turning it round. In my view nothing went our way. Sure, the ref gave a penalty and sent someone off but he declined two other obvious pens and totally missed a blatant off the ball assault. As for singling out players for criticism, Alex owes us nothing and be honest I some times wonder whether people on here have ever played football. Robbie's 'miss-placed pass' was in something like the 85th minutes of a helter skelter second half where he'd run bloody miles both attacking and covering back. I really don't know where some of you are coming from at times, I really don't.  |
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Post by pompeyterrier on Mar 23, 2009 10:08:30 GMT 1
Talking of defenders making basic mistakes what the hell has happened to Butler? I use to think he was a really solid defender but the amount of times he heads the ball straight down to the opposition instead of into the stands is ridiculous! Must have done it about three times on Saturday where he could have headed it anywhere but where he did and each time it was directly back into a dangerous position.
The third goal at Tranmere is a prime example of what I mean, and obviously the Crewe error was similar too. Has he always done this and I've been slow to pick up on it or is it just starting to come into his game?
Put it in the stands man!
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Post by wonderousworthy on Mar 23, 2009 10:38:16 GMT 1
Fact is with Smithies he is 18 constantly improving and will most likely learn from his mistakes.
Glennons 29 and is still making the same old mistakes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 10:40:46 GMT 1
Talking of defenders making basic mistakes what the hell has happened to Butler? I use to think he was a really solid defender but the amount of times he heads the ball straight down to the opposition instead of into the stands is ridiculous! Must have done it about three times on Saturday where he could have headed it anywhere but where he did and each time it was directly back into a dangerous position. The third goal at Tranmere is a prime example of what I mean, and obviously the Crewe error was similar too. Has he always done this and I've been slow to pick up on it or is it just starting to come into his game? Put it in the stands man! Butler has definitely been affected by Nathan Clarke been out injured, he's been very poor in the last few games (apart from MK Dons). |
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Post by midlander on Mar 23, 2009 11:29:02 GMT 1
Okay, it wasn't the greatest of games on Saturday (putting it mildly) but I couldn't fault anyone for effort, especially in the second half. I thought our players ran themselves into the ground trying to make ammends for the disasterous first 20 minutes of the game. And they nearly succeeded in turning it round. In my view nothing went our way. Sure, the ref gave a penalty and sent someone off but he declined two other obvious pens and totally missed a blatant off the ball assault. As for singling out players for criticism, Alex owes us nothing and be honest I some times wonder whether people on here have ever played football. Robbie's 'miss-placed pass' was in something like the 85th minutes of a helter skelter second half where he'd run bloody miles both attacking and covering back. I really don't know where some of you are coming from at times, I really don't. Completely agree Mr Acetripper. Williams gets untold stick from a few around me whenever he makes any mistake, it doesn't matter how he has played in general. That was my point with my original post - Glennon suffers the same. Any mistake, out come the boo boys. I don't think anyone could acuse either Glenda or Robbie of not trying, so why is it that they get jumped on at the merest hint of a mistake, when others don't? a case in point is the old fella who sits behind me - If one of his "targets" mis-hits shots, plays inaccurate passes or puts in poor crosses then he's crap and he'll tell them and everybody else so. If it's a player he quite likes, then it's the fault of the management for not coaching them properly (I think he believes that the coaching team should be able to create perfect footballers who always choose the right option and do the right thing) However, if the mistake comes from Boothy - then it's a different story altogether - he'll laugh, stand up and start his own chorus of "BOOTHY......." Even when he skies it from ten yards. Why are some fans so irrational in their response to what they see in front of them? like you, I thought we worked very hard on Saturday, chasing a game that we'd made difficult through individual errors, not through anything the coaching side had done wrong. The players fought hard, attacked with width and whilst never being fluent, were certainly threatening the Cheltenham goal on numerous occasions (we still didn't work the keeper enough). On another day, we could have had 5 or 6 easily. people criticising Clark for keeping four at the back, miss the fact that we were creating plenty of openings and it allowed Williams to operate as a left midfielder, giving Pilks the freedom to attack, rather than worry about the defensive side and he caused them untold problems. It's a game that we threw away through individual errors, but still created more than enough to have come away with three points. I actually thought we played quite well in parts! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2009 11:36:15 GMT 1
Talking of defenders making basic mistakes what the hell has happened to Butler? I use to think he was a really solid defender but the amount of times he heads the ball straight down to the opposition instead of into the stands is ridiculous! Must have done it about three times on Saturday where he could have headed it anywhere but where he did and each time it was directly back into a dangerous position. The third goal at Tranmere is a prime example of what I mean, and obviously the Crewe error was similar too. Has he always done this and I've been slow to pick up on it or is it just starting to come into his game? Put it in the stands man! Butler has definitely been affected by Nathan Clarke been out injured, he's been very poor in the last few games (apart from MK Dons). He was making silly errors way before Clarke got injured. x2 against Crewe... He's made others that have lead to goals (fell on his face against Leeds that gave Snodgrass an opportunity he should have scored from) but alas I can't be bothered going through them  I'd without doubt replace him in the summer with a no nonsense defender with some pace. |
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