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Post by ksne on Mar 24, 2009 11:52:16 GMT 1
Craney has just not cut it for me.A major disappointment.Flynn well I can still see him having a future here.
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 24, 2009 11:52:25 GMT 1
I had enough time to judge him thanks. And that's the problem. We keep judging and sacking managers before they have had time. If Manure had taken the same approach Ferguson would have been down the road years ago. |
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Post by artysid on Mar 24, 2009 11:55:34 GMT 1
I like a good rumour, but am I the only one that gets pi**ed of with these "Official" titles to threads that are rumours no matter how reliable the source may or may not be?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 24, 2009 12:18:04 GMT 1
Ternent for his part spent the summer scouting lower league Lancashire clubs and better Lancashire side's reserves teams to sign lots of unmoveable League Two standard deadwood on 2 and 3 year deals; Parker, Craney, Flynn and Lucketti! Would you honestly say that those 4 are 'League Two standard'? I would, and Jevons too |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 12:20:51 GMT 1
I had enough time to judge him thanks. So I assume you're wanting Clark sacked now then? |
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Post by ksne on Mar 24, 2009 12:24:01 GMT 1
I had enough time to judge him thanks. So I assume you're wanting Clark sacked now then? OOPS Sorry I was referring to Ternent.I quite definitely wish LC a long and successful career as Town manager  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 13:26:04 GMT 1
Would you honestly say that those 4 are 'League Two standard'? I would, and Jevons too I'd say Flynn was lower League 1, Craney upper leage 2, Lucketti upper League 2, Jevons upper league 2. |
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Post by downatthepharm on Mar 24, 2009 13:47:24 GMT 1
Jutkiewicz, lower District league reserve division 4?
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Post by ritchie on Mar 24, 2009 14:00:31 GMT 1
Jutkiewicz, lower District league reserve division 4? Local Pub darts tournament..  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 14:06:42 GMT 1
Jutkiewicz, lower District league reserve division 4? Local Pub darts tournament.. Sleeping lions champion 2009 |
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Post by ritchie on Mar 24, 2009 14:22:44 GMT 1
NOTS - Narcoleptic of the Season.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 24, 2009 14:30:45 GMT 1
Ternent for his part spent the summer scouting lower league Lancashire clubs and better Lancashire side's reserves teams to sign lots of unmoveable League Two standard deadwood on 2 and 3 year deals; Parker, Craney, Flynn and Lucketti! Would you honestly say that those 4 are 'League Two standard'? I wouldn't. Granted none of them have been exceptional this season but (potentially) they were good signings and good players. However, for one reason or another, they haven't shown it at Town, yet. Spot on Mids. Parker won promotion from this league with blackpool, flynn did with gillingham and lucketti has played a good few premier league games so they must have something!!! Agree they havent delivered for us yet and most are likely to make way in the summer but their track records were good, it just hasnt worked out for them here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2009 14:36:58 GMT 1
Would you honestly say that those 4 are 'League Two standard'? I wouldn't. Granted none of them have been exceptional this season but (potentially) they were good signings and good players. However, for one reason or another, they haven't shown it at Town, yet. Spot on Mids. Parker won promotion from this league with blackpool, flynn did with gillingham and lucketti has played a good few premier league games so they must have something!!! Agree they havent delivered for us yet and most are likely to make way in the summer but their track records were good, it just hasnt worked out for them here. To the bold part - so has Boothy. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 24, 2009 14:45:40 GMT 1
Spot on Mids. Parker won promotion from this league with blackpool, flynn did with gillingham and lucketti has played a good few premier league games so they must have something!!! Agree they havent delivered for us yet and most are likely to make way in the summer but their track records were good, it just hasnt worked out for them here. To the bold part - so has Boothy. So did Brandon when he played a big part in Blackpool's promotion on loan from Town (likewise Williams and Rabchubka) Jevons was a key player for Bristol City when they won automatic. McIntosh a key man for Rotherham when they went up Kamara will have played more Championship games (for Wimbledon and Cardiff) than Flynn And Sinclair played about 100 times more Premiership games than Lucketti ... who played a lot less at that level than Page (who he replaced) or Cads and about about as many times as Mark Hudson Aye those signings in the summer had the kind of pedigree we could only have dreamed of previously Good business doubling the wage bill for such stars!  |
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Mar 24, 2009 16:03:24 GMT 1
Not bothered by any of those leaving, except for maybe Skarz and Broadbent. I can't see Skarz on there ! |
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Post by shawsie on Mar 25, 2009 0:14:01 GMT 1
To the bold part - so has Boothy. So did Brandon when he played a big part in Blackpool's promotion on loan from Town (likewise Williams and Rabchubka) Jevons was a key player for Bristol City when they won automatic. McIntosh a key man for Rotherham when they went up Kamara will have played more Championship games (for Wimbledon and Cardiff) than Flynn And Sinclair played about 100 times more Premiership games than Lucketti ... who played a lot less at that level than Page (who he replaced) or Cads and about about as many times as Mark Hudson Aye those signings in the summer had the kind of pedigree we could only have dreamed of previously Good business doubling the wage bill for such stars! So whats the options then hudds???!!! Ah yes lets continue with the young lads we had cos they will get it right eventually wont they!!! Totally agree with you re kamara, mcintosh, jevons etc but up to DH coming in we were dining at the poverty table and had to make the best of it. Now we have a backer with the means and the desire to do something, mr clark wont have any excuses if he fails to deliver - he is starting the wheels in motion by clearing out the current deadwood! |
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Post by specialun on Mar 25, 2009 0:29:41 GMT 1
I'd say Flynn was lower League 1, Craney upper leage 2, Lucketti upper League 2, Jevons upper league 2. I'd agree as well, especially on flynn and craney Craney cost £250k. I wouldn't have paid £50k for him. Craney's career at town seems destined to follow his career at swansea....a handful of games, out of favour, moved out from centre mid and sent back to accrington for half the price to play in a 5 man midfield formation in a slower league when his technique over rides his lack of fitness. Flynn, craney, unsworth, lucketti, parker = poor signings overall. Room for flynn or craney on the basis it will be difficult to lose both, but can't afford both. Neither 1st choice promotion material. Butler, goodwin - done quite well - Butler with Clarke: Excellent, without: bring back mirf; Goodwin: Does a specific role well, not the best of seasons but steady away. Roberts - Been excellent Denton - Can't comment |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 25, 2009 2:16:45 GMT 1
Id agree with all that specialun
(appart from the bring back Mirf bit)
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 25, 2009 10:29:27 GMT 1
Money does not guarantee you get quality (see Ternent's job at lowering our league position while doubling the wage bill!)
There's a simple reason Shawsie that Championship sides are prepared to let these "Championship quality" footballers go, it's because there managers having watched them in training 5 days a week don't think they're Championship quality, and feel they don't have enough to offer there side. Otherwise they wouldn't be available and they'd keep them!
I'm always more excited by up and comers signing like Pilkington and GTF who are still fulfilling and growing there potential, than players coming down the ladder while they sink (and that's word I'm afraid) to there correct level, be that League One, or more often than not lower. From what I've seen the majority who come down from the Championship don't get back to the level again!
For me I see the academy lads as having potential to develop further (a la Pilks and GTF) and even if they don't I already know and have seen that Worthy, Holdsworth etc are proven very good League One footballers, which is all we need for now - better the devil you know and I think evolution rather revolution of the squad this summer is more likely to deliver promotion sooner!
If you're happy to see us sign a dozen players this summer, then expect us to do nowt until Xmas while the new lads settle, at best we'll be chasing a play off spot in 2010 IMO, we'll also get some proper spankings in Autumn as the side irons itself out (there will be disjointed performances in Autumn etc IMO). You also have to roll the dice, a lot of these "Championship quality" players will be found out in League One also, see Flynn, Jevons, Parker, Sinclair, Unsworth, Lucketti, Beckett for recent examples of players we've signed directly from a current Championship side and they've failed most of them miserably.
I have faith in Clark but so far his signings have been poor (Pilks aside, and Ainsworth has potential, but needs to improve his ball control greatly IMO), if Clark signs another 10 this summer and based on 60% poor signing ratio (Jokeavitch, Tehoue, Werling v Pilks, Ainsworth) this time next year we could be debating 6 new pieces of deadwood we need to cut out!
Like I say I prefer evolution, we have some very good league one footballers on the books, and plenty of decent league one players as back up (e.g. Skarz, Tom Clarke etc). What we need IMO this summer is 4/5 news players (two strikers for starters) of genuine quality to galvanise the side, a la Page and we'll be in business
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 11:24:35 GMT 1
I have faith in Clark but so far his signings have been poor (Pilks aside, and Ainsworth has potential, but needs to improve his ball control greatly IMO), if Clark signs another 10 this summer and based on 60% poor signing ratio (Jokeavitch, Tehoue, Werling v Pilks, Ainsworth) this time next year we could be debating 6 new pieces of deadwood we need to cut out! The thing is though, his only 2 permanent signings have been Pilkington and Ainsworth, so those are the only ones that we should be comparing against when thinking about who he'll sign in the summer. Werling, is someone who has impressed him before, and who he took the chance to take on a short contract, and to be fair its impossible to judge him, because Williams has deservedly kept him out of the side. Tehoue was a similar deal, and again impossible to judge, and certainly not Lee Clark's fault what has happened. He thought he was out of contract and signed him. Jukeivitch has been a bit of a disaster, but again he was a last minute short term option, not the kind of signing we'll be making come the summer. I'll judge his signings on his permanent deals, and by that I think we can be optimistic about who we will be signing in the summer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 11:40:56 GMT 1
I have faith in Clark but so far his signings have been poor (Pilks aside, and Ainsworth has potential, but needs to improve his ball control greatly IMO), if Clark signs another 10 this summer and based on 60% poor signing ratio (Jokeavitch, Tehoue, Werling v Pilks, Ainsworth) this time next year we could be debating 6 new pieces of deadwood we need to cut out! The thing is though, his only 2 permanent signings have been Pilkington and Ainsworth, so those are the only ones that we should be comparing against when thinking about who he'll sign in the summer. Werling, is someone who has impressed him before, and who he took the chance to take on a short contract, and to be fair its impossible to judge him, because Williams has deservedly kept him out of the side. Tehoue was a similar deal, and again impossible to judge, and certainly not Lee Clark's fault what has happened. He thought he was out of contract and signed him. Jukeivitch has been a bit of a disaster, but again he was a last minute short term option, not the kind of signing we'll be making come the summer. I'll judge his signings on his permanent deals, and by that I think we can be optimistic about who we will be signing in the summer. Good post paulmat. |
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Post by HD8 Blue & White on Mar 25, 2009 11:48:21 GMT 1
I have faith in Clark but so far his signings have been poor (Pilks aside, and Ainsworth has potential, but needs to improve his ball control greatly IMO), if Clark signs another 10 this summer and based on 60% poor signing ratio (Jokeavitch, Tehoue, Werling v Pilks, Ainsworth) this time next year we could be debating 6 new pieces of deadwood we need to cut out! Spot on Paulmat, please lets stop all this pointless assessment of Lee Clark and wait until we see what he can achieve in the transfer market over rthe summer and with his own pre-season preperation, and lets see where we are in 12 months time. The thing is though, his only 2 permanent signings have been Pilkington and Ainsworth, so those are the only ones that we should be comparing against when thinking about who he'll sign in the summer. Werling, is someone who has impressed him before, and who he took the chance to take on a short contract, and to be fair its impossible to judge him, because Williams has deservedly kept him out of the side. Tehoue was a similar deal, and again impossible to judge, and certainly not Lee Clark's fault what has happened. He thought he was out of contract and signed him. Jukeivitch has been a bit of a disaster, but again he was a last minute short term option, not the kind of signing we'll be making come the summer. I'll judge his signings on his permanent deals, and by that I think we can be optimistic about who we will be signing in the summer. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 25, 2009 12:20:49 GMT 1
Sorry Paul but he had the entire transfer window and probably the biggest tranafer kitty in the League to find a striker, had he got one we probably would be in a play off spot now
When Oldham are signing Windass and Scunny are getting Lansbury from Arsenal the word underwelmed really is apt for Jokeavitch!
Ainsworth needs to improve a lot to justify his c.£300k price tag. On Saturday his first touch of the game was when he failed to trap a ball, he often clips the ball too far and into touch when trying to beat a man and in general he's made little impact. Compared to Kamara in his first 4 months at Town, 2 months in Ainsworth is looking poor value. I have a feeling he will get better, but thus far I'm not impressed to be honest but on balance I'm giving Clark that one
Tehoue is a joke. McDermotts remit is finding players and scouting, so you think somewhere along the line we could check the paperwork, you know like little things like is the bloke still under contract with another team! The word fools errand springs to mind and if we'd spent more time looking for a striker than trying to sign Tehoue we may have found something better than Jokeavitch!
Werling represents a waste of 6 months wage. Worth a punt but why not a month to month deal? To be honest we don't need 26 year olds who can't get into our first team, we looked at him for 2 weeks and still signed him for 6 months, like I say month to month terms would be more realistic (similar to the deal L**ds did with Malcolm Christie)
I like Clark but he isn't perfect and frankly him and his coaches need to up there game when it comes to signings this summer!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 12:39:39 GMT 1
Windass was a bit of a disaster at Oldham, (unless they signed him for his goal keeping), likewise Trundle at Leeds. I believe Lansbury is a midfielder (I think we've got enough of them). Its very difficult to sign a striker on loan in January, you either need a player who's not good enough for his current club or an unproven youngster that could go either way. Thats what happened with Lukas. Lets face it if he didn't have some potential Everton wouldn't have paid big money for him, and none of us were complaining after the Leeds game. It hasn't worked out, but he was always going to be a risk just like any loan signing. We tried to get a permanent striker in, Graham, Cox, Lambert, Porter, all players who would have been good signings, but it didn't happen for us.
Ainsworth has got plenty to prove, but I'm sure he will do that.
Tehoue, is one of those things, the problem was between Tehoue and his Turkish club, I think we're been harsh if we blame anyone at our club. If a player comes on trial as a free agent, then you can usually assume he's a free agent. His previous club didn't seem to have any problem when he trained with us for a month, they just kicked up a fuss, when we signed him and they thought they might be able to get some money. Anyway if anybody is to blame from Huddersfield Town, its the likes of Clibbons, and the administration side of our club, Clark identifies who he wants to sign its up to them to do the rest.
Werling has turned out to be a waste of a wage, but when Robbie Williams was having a nightmare season, along with Skarz and Unsworth, none of us were complaining about a new left back coming in. None of us could have predicted Williams improvement, least of all Clark, especially after his nightmare at Carlisle. And its very possible that the signing of Werling triggered the improvement, so maybe its not such a waste afterall.
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Post by iangreaves on Mar 25, 2009 12:52:16 GMT 1
I like Clark but he isn't perfect and frankly him and his coaches need to up there game when it comes to signings this summer! God help someone you don't like. I suppose it was inevitable that fans would be on Lee Clark's back pretty quickly because that is the way the club has gone in recent years. We never give a manager time. Macari was sacked too soon, so was Jacko, I didn't particularly want Ritchie but having appointed him the club should have given him time, Ternent had no time at all and reading some of the comments on this board some fans would like Lee Clark to go the same way. We will never get anywhere by continually sacking managers. |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 25, 2009 13:15:03 GMT 1
Sorry Paul but he had the entire transfer window and probably the biggest tranafer kitty in the League to find a striker, had he got one we probably would be in a play off spot now When Oldham are signing Windass and Scunny are getting Lansbury from Arsenal the word underwelmed really is apt for Jokeavitch! a) Lansbury isn't a striker b) Windass has hardly starred for Oldham has he! He did better in nets! c) Read what other managers have to say about the transfer window. It's ridiculous and really unworkable. It forces rushed and possibly over priced players coming into the club. Clark rightly stated his targets and the price they were worth, when they were rejected he moved on. We'll get them for nothing in the summer (i.e. Graham) and probably far less too (Lambert). Plus it is easier to sell in the close season as every club starts on zero and far easier to integrate into the team. There is also no guarantee that a striker would have magically sorted us out, and nobody was really complaining that he got a 1million striker on loan from a 2nd tier premiership club and one that David Moyes rates. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2009 13:19:07 GMT 1
Sorry Paul but he had the entire transfer window and probably the biggest tranafer kitty in the League to find a striker, had he got one we probably would be in a play off spot now When Oldham are signing Windass and Scunny are getting Lansbury from Arsenal the word underwelmed really is apt for Jokeavitch! a) Lansbury isn't a striker b) Windass has hardly starred for Oldham has he! He did better in nets! c) Read what other managers have to say about the transfer window. It's ridiculous and really unworkable. It forces rushed and possibly over priced players coming into the club. Clark rightly stated his targets and the price they were worth, when they were rejected he moved on. We'll get them for nothing in the summer (i.e. Graham) and probably far less too (Lambert). Plus it is easier to sell in the close season as every club starts on zero and far easier to integrate into the team. There is also no guarantee that a striker would have magically sorted us out, and nobody was really complaining that he got a 1million striker on loan from a 2nd tier premiership club and one that David Moyes rates. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't! You should have read my post, would have saved you the trouble of replying |
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Post by TerrierArmy on Mar 25, 2009 13:26:01 GMT 1
a) Lansbury isn't a striker b) Windass has hardly starred for Oldham has he! He did better in nets! c) Read what other managers have to say about the transfer window. It's ridiculous and really unworkable. It forces rushed and possibly over priced players coming into the club. Clark rightly stated his targets and the price they were worth, when they were rejected he moved on. We'll get them for nothing in the summer (i.e. Graham) and probably far less too (Lambert). Plus it is easier to sell in the close season as every club starts on zero and far easier to integrate into the team. There is also no guarantee that a striker would have magically sorted us out, and nobody was really complaining that he got a 1million striker on loan from a 2nd tier premiership club and one that David Moyes rates. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't! You should have read my post, would have saved you the trouble of replying Sorry Paul , I just auto ignore your posts after you said my super dooper 343 formation was pants! |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Mar 25, 2009 14:28:25 GMT 1
Sorry the point of Lansbury was that he was a signing that was one of those, wow how did they manage to get him kind of deals. I know he's not a striker.
Windass didn't work out at Oldham, but again he was a how did they get him kind of deal
They are both players of decent profile for different reasons, one is one of the best prospects in the country the other one of the biggest characters in the game and still a good footballer as he showed last season
Truthfully I'd never heard of Lucas when we signed him, not that that's a bad thing but it hardly stirred the imagination especially as Everton messed us around a bit - we can only have him on the proviso they signed Jo
Ian you can like someone yet not agree with everything they do! I do want Lee Clark to be successful (I've spoke to him and he's genuinley nice guy doing his best IMO) and he does have my support, I just feel he is making things harder for himself by letting good players go and the net result will be that we won't get promotion until the 2010/11 season and it will cost a lot more money to get said promotion
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Post by Floyds on Mar 25, 2009 14:35:45 GMT 1
His signings have been poor thus far - not sure why or how anyone can argue with that point
As for loan signings - did Cheltenham sign Constantine on loan - and he score in his first game, against us? Proved that he can score at this level also.
So far he has made more of an impact in one game than Werling, Tehoue and Lukas (maybe add Ainsworth!) since they signed in January
Just a clear indication that there were/are players out there that we could / should have signed, that would have been far better than what we ended up with...
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