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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 20, 2009 18:42:43 GMT 1
Isn't it the case that clubs like Man utd, Blackburn and Liverpool, who all do a lot of scouting in this area can afford more of a scattergun approach to it. Pick 100 and keep maybe 1 or 2 on after a year. Maybe with a much smaller budget ,Town have to be a bit more selective. Its all opinions and by the sounds of it our scout watched this kid play and just didn't rate him enough
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Post by shawsie on Apr 20, 2009 19:04:53 GMT 1
Agree with you on the scattergun approach capn, but our academy products in recent years could have been cloned. They are all neat and tidy in possession, can pass and move, but lack physical presence and pace - is this a coincidence or a coaching/scouting issue?
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Post by pozza on Apr 20, 2009 19:13:36 GMT 1
The best Huddersfield lads in the past decade to my mind have all ended up in our academy, Stead, Smithies, Berrett, Skarz, Senior (who went to Lilleshall), Facey, McAliskey, Mattis etc even Jerome was spotted and recruited before falling out for whatever reason Apart from Stead, Smithies and Facey, non of them are much good really and probs wouldn't have got close to the first team if Town had any money to buy in better players. Maybe the area of Huddersfield just doesn't produce many decent players, thats why we dont seem to ever pick up any gems.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 21:20:24 GMT 1
Thing is though its the methods in the academy also. Ive heard (from a secondary source i admit) that Gerry Murphys grandson is in the academy but is absoloutly rubbish. Nobody dare say or do anything about it though because of obvious reasons.
If what i have heard is indeed true then perhaps the problems dont just lie with the scouts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 23:52:38 GMT 1
whoever used the terminology too small wants reporting to the club.theres no such thing,keegan?zola?maradona? not strong enough maybe but not too small.anthony griffin popped up with donny s of e.and was playing well.tabs were kept on him with rob pacey{now buxton} not normal practice though.you dont need a badge to scout just experience and good recommendation.theres alot can be improved with our academy but its alot better than most imo.as for blackburn its not a good move.there renouned for takin lads to sixteen and dropping them like a bad habit for foreign youth.i m working with two lads now who ve been through there system,very bitter.the irish lads cant be brought over till there 15 and with damien duff what i heard is that kenny dalglish offered his parents a home valued at 60-80 k at the time after he agreed to join us.must be hard to compete on that level
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 21, 2009 9:18:53 GMT 1
Heard the same house story re Duff, we never stood a chance! Hear what you’re saying about talent in Huddersfield Pozza but… Berrett, Mattis and McAliskey all played for RoI U21’s Senior was invited to join Lilleshall (i.e. one of the best 20 players for his age in the country at the time, if only he’d grown) Smithies is a England U19 Stead and Facey played in the top flight Skarz won the League One apprentice of the year. For whatever reason some never fulfilled there early promise, but there youth footballing credentials are pretty impressive IMO It's not a bad batting average for a small Town at the edge of the Pennines (especially when you throw in our England cricketer, Ryan Sidebottom, viva Huddersfield )
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Post by nickmaca10 on Apr 21, 2009 16:05:49 GMT 1
Thing is though its the methods in the academy also. Ive heard (from a secondary source i admit) that Gerry Murphys grandson is in the academy but is absoloutly rubbish. Nobody dare say or do anything about it though because of obvious reasons. If what i have heard is indeed true then perhaps the problems dont just lie with the scouts. Think you can't blame Murphy for this though, kinda thing happens all the time. (Ferguson, Strachan and Macari to anme a few). If you had a kid/relative and you had the power to put them in an academy you would - I know i would!
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Post by stavrosslegend on Apr 21, 2009 16:45:20 GMT 1
I remember reading a journal article that said that statistically West Yorkshire produced less professional footballers on average than the rest of the country. The article suggested that this was because Rugby League is popular in the area and therefore Association Football had to compete with Rugby Football League for the top athletic talent. If I remember rightly the article also said that it was a similar story in other areas where Rugby League is popular, for example, between Liverpool and Manchester or Cumberland. It should be noted that the article was probably written in the 1990s (possibly 80s). I don't remember the article mentioning anything about Rugby Union, but I would imagine that it could well be a similar story for areas where Rugby Football Union is popular, for example, Wales or around the Bristol area.
Unfortunately I do not remember the author and I doubt that article is available on line, but I thought it was interesting.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 21, 2009 17:18:37 GMT 1
I remember reading a journal article that said that statistically West Yorkshire produced less professional footballers on average than the rest of the country. The article suggested that this was because Rugby League is popular in the area and therefore Association Football had to compete with Rugby Football League for the top athletic talent. If I remember rightly the article also said that it was a similar story in other areas where Rugby League is popular, for example, between Liverpool and Manchester or Cumberland. It should be noted that the article was probably written in the 1990s (possibly 80s). I don't remember the article mentioning anything about Rugby Union, but I would imagine that it could well be a similar story for areas where Rugby Football Union is popular, for example, Wales or around the Bristol area. Unfortunately I do not remember the author and I doubt that article is available on line, but I thought it was interesting. Probably some truth in that you only need to look how few Yorkshiremen have played for England in the past 20 years, to my mind? David Seaman (Rotherham) Paul Robinson (Beverley) Nick Barmby (Hull) Aaron Lennon (Leeds) David Batty (Leeds) John Scales (quick Wikipedia … Harrogate) Alan Smith (Leeds) David Hirst (Barnsley) After that I’m seriously struggling to think of England internationals from God’s Own County. Pretty pathetic return from the biggest county in the country, even worse so when you consider West Yorkshire is the most populated county in the country!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 0:07:34 GMT 1
Micah Richards is from ChapelTown in Leeds.
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Post by nsevent on Apr 23, 2009 0:28:41 GMT 1
Isn't it the case that clubs like Man utd, Blackburn and Liverpool, who all do a lot of scouting in this area can afford more of a scattergun approach to it. Pick 100 and keep maybe 1 or 2 on after a year. Maybe with a much smaller budget ,Town have to be a bit more selective. Its all opinions and by the sounds of it our scout watched this kid play and just didn't rate him enough I think Liverpools approach is good, really piles on the pressure to consistently deliver year in year out if you want to emerge as an 18 year old with a professional contract...at Town you get the impression that if they're in the Academy at age 12 they'll still be in it at age 17. I only had a brief chat with a colleague whose son has been trialling at Liverpool for the last couple of months, but he said something like they select an 'Elite 10' players at the end of a few rounds of trials who will continue to get the top coaching throughout the entirety of the following season and form the core of the team at that age group, with the squad doubled up by other talent that they invite in for short periods throughout the season. (so they could easily have 100 players coming through their doors at any one age group across the season). Then at the end of that age group, they run further trials (similar to the ones my mates lad is going through at the moment), and pick the Elite 10 for the next age group up. The original Elite 10 theoretically have an advantage as they've had the quality training all year round, but it also means if they don't perform and someone comes in off the street and shows a high level of raw talent, then they're out of that Elite 10 and back down to preying to be invited in for sessions throughout the year if they're lucky. (I might have got the above totally wrong, but I think thats what he was saying anyway! I was trying to concentrate on something else at the time). FWIW, this lad actually lives and plays in the Manchester area, but his dad is a lifelong Liverpool fan and is well made up!
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Post by gregpot2000 on Apr 23, 2009 8:43:07 GMT 1
Cameron Jerome impressed at town, but the reason we didnt sign him, is that we had a policy, and it's probably still the case, that we will not take anyone on that has a bad school report, and he did have at the time so we rejected him! guess he's had the last laugh!
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 23, 2009 9:12:37 GMT 1
Cameron Jerome impressed at town, but the reason we didnt sign him, is that we had a policy, and it's probably still the case, that we will not take anyone on that has a bad school report, and he did have at the time so we rejected him! guess he's had the last laugh! I got told that he had a bad disruptive attitude and I thought we were the ones laughing when he came on for Birmingham and was crap ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 11:51:47 GMT 1
Cameron Jerome impressed at town, but the reason we didnt sign him, is that we had a policy, and it's probably still the case, that we will not take anyone on that has a bad school report, and he did have at the time so we rejected him! guess he's had the last laugh! Not true... Man Utd came knocking for Jerome, we told them he was registered with us and then Jerome in his own words "became disillusioned with football" and retired at 16. He then went to Middlesbrough for trials and then Cardiff.
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