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Post by townfan4ever on Apr 22, 2009 15:12:51 GMT 1
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Post by stevvy on Apr 22, 2009 15:18:20 GMT 1
for uncle ken yes.......for HTFC no as we wont get any benefit from it financially
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Post by townatheart on Apr 22, 2009 15:20:49 GMT 1
just a guess mind you, but one might suspect that a certain mr ken davy probably is inclined to see it as a good investment  |
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Post by jonnycrutches on Apr 22, 2009 15:25:16 GMT 1
I think it would be good for Huddersfield overall, improving brownfield sites and creating jobs. Can't see much direct benefit to HTAFC and the idea of an oudoor ski slope when you're within rock hurling distance of Xscape (Castleford) and the Chill Factor (Manchester) doesn't seem like a good one.
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Post by andrewrobins on Apr 22, 2009 15:26:17 GMT 1
It said outdoor ski-slope twice, is there two? or is that a mistake.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 22, 2009 15:36:59 GMT 1
What an utter white elephant Why does Huddersfield need 21 more restaurants. It’s not like you can never get booked into a decent restaurant on any evening, so I hardly see the demand. We already have a bowling alley on Leeds Road, so the addition of a new one is hardly of benefit The bars will die just like the bars and night clubs in Folly Hall did – basically no one wants to walk half a mile in the middle of winter when there’s a dozen excellent bars and two cracking night clubs established in the Town centre. I can see all the Estate Agent queuing around the block for that unit as well, I mean rather than position yourself with the rest of Estate Agents in the Town to enjoy passing footfall, be the ONE estate agent out of the way meaning would be customers would have to make a special effort to get to your office, and then not be able to park on the various match days due to football and rugby traffic! Best of all though has to be the flats and hotel, genius thinking! No disrespect but who will want to buy a flat on Leeds Road. I mean what’s the view meant to be  On one side you have a ruddy great gas cyclinder, directly in front is where the ladies of the night work and to your other side is a massive ICI chemical plant – bet when the wind is right that will smell lovely when you’re sat out on your balcony! Meanwhile all the while you can hear a hum of noise due to having on your doorstep one of the busiest roads in the Town! They also have a hotel, same logic who would want to stay there other than curb crawlers! Is this why Kirklees are upping my taxes this year or is it privately financed? Honestly it makes the redevelopment of St George’s Square look an inspired idea! |
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Post by Jayeff13 on Apr 22, 2009 15:37:45 GMT 1
Does anyone know the capacity of the Town Avenue & St Andrews car parks? It's going to be an absolute nightmare for parking while it's being developed.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2009 15:40:33 GMT 1
Its a good job davy thought to protect us from this potentially extremely lucrative development. What a brave gesture it was to take the risk of owning that 40% of KSDL off us and onto himself. I can't believe he even paid us to do it and that £2 must go down as one of the most generous offers of all time!
Some cynical , myopic biggoted types might try and make out he only went back on his word and secretly stripped us of our 40% so he could personally own more of this huge development and that he might have been LIEING when he claimed it was to protect us.
But I won't hear a word of that!
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 22, 2009 16:06:59 GMT 1
Its a good job davy thought to protect us from this potentially extremely lucrative development. What a brave gesture it was to take the risk of owning that 40% of KSDL off us and onto himself. I can't believe he even paid us to do it and that £2 must go down as one of the most generous offers of all time! Some cynical , myopic biggoted types might try and make out he only went back on his word and secretly stripped us of our 40% so he could personally own more of this huge development and that he might have been LIEING when he claimed it was to protect us. But I won't hear a word of that! Assuming we had our 40% share returned would we have to contribute to the scheme or if it went t*ts up would we then be liable? Hypothetically of course? |
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Post by nsevent on Apr 22, 2009 16:40:07 GMT 1
Presumably the ski slope will be cancelled and replaced with a Hans Christian Anderson Theme Park along the way...
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Post by ThreeLions on Apr 22, 2009 16:52:13 GMT 1
dont think this will happen :/
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Post by pozza on Apr 22, 2009 16:55:10 GMT 1
I think the flats are going to be round the back over looking the canal, I wouldn't mind one of them.
If they did buses from the complex up into Town then i'm sure loads of people would go (especially in Winter when its pissing it down as all the bars would be in one place) Xscape is always rammed and there is afair few bars in that.
Can see it working personally, although I dont like the idea as I hate anything like this being around a football stadium. Although the club should look into buying one of the units and turning it into a supporters bar so we can all pile in before a game and stumble across to the game at 2:55 ;D
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Post by bro600 on Apr 22, 2009 17:06:54 GMT 1
Its a good job davy thought to protect us from this potentially extremely lucrative development. What a brave gesture it was to take the risk of owning that 40% of KSDL off us and onto himself. I can't believe he even paid us to do it and that £2 must go down as one of the most generous offers of all time! Some cynical , myopic biggoted types might try and make out he only went back on his word and secretly stripped us of our 40% so he could personally own more of this huge development and that he might have been LIEING when he claimed it was to protect us. But I won't hear a word of that! Assuming we had our 40% share returned would we have to contribute to the scheme or if it went t*ts up would we then be liable? Hypothetically of course? As KSDL are owners of the land and we'd have 40% share in KSDL then we wouldn't have to invest anything into the scheme. The value of the land would increase, rents could also be increased and the shareholders at KSDL will benefit from the sale of any land. All in all it's xmas for KSDL and their shareholders.. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 22, 2009 17:16:44 GMT 1
Sorry Pozza but Visage did free buses for years and it still struggled to get numbers in (and that was before Tokyo and the resurgence of Camel Club), ultimately it’s closed so that gives an indication to that business model. Jumping Jacks went through a phase of practically giving away drinks, yet still struggled to get enough folk through the door I just don’t see how two out of Town nightclubs could succeed, I mean if Tokyo and Camel Club saw business dipping I’m sure they’d lower prices and kill off the out of Town clubs I went for a night out in Xscape in November and the nightclub there had shut so I suspect business wasn’t that great. The canal you’re talking about is in a dodgy area, i.e. a woman was found dead in the Homebase / Pets at Home retail park last year (which is on the opposite bank of the canal!), not my idea of a place I’d choose to live basically www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/tm_headline=stabbed-and-dying-in-street&method=full&objectid=19894362&siteid=50060-name_page.html And as I said I think it's it near the red light district and backs onto a giant Communist Soviet Union looking Gas silo I really don’t see this working, and the Council would be better off trying to re-invigorate the complex at Folly Hall IMO rather than let that fall into decay while they jump on to building a new out of Town complex IMO it's a bobbins idea  |
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Post by bro600 on Apr 22, 2009 17:32:37 GMT 1
It's all part of a bigger scheme Huddsterrier. All this Hotel, restaurant. ski-slope business is to gain private funding schemes and also increase the financial pool of resources. There are two regeneration schemes that involve The Galpharm and KSDL. Kirklees Strategic Economic Zone = A plan running from Cooper bridge to The Stadium and HDONE ( commonly known as The Town Centre - Stadium Corridor). www.kirklees.gov.uk/transport/ksez/ksez-leaflet.pdfKen Gillespie is in charge of regeneration at Kirklees. Ralph Rimmer (former Sheffield Eagles) is in charge at KSDL. Ken Davy is just in chargeDoes it really matter if any of it works? It looks good and the immediate impact will be nice and a fair few folk will have made a small fortune and pissed off before it turns into a white elephant. |
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Post by hotdog on Apr 22, 2009 17:33:59 GMT 1
i cannot believe they are serious with this idea. The roads and infrastructure round Leeds road area can not support any more developments, it struggles as it is. Imagine match days combined with customers to the ski slope, people living in the flats, bowling allays, restaurants...etc. It would be complete chaos.
What the authorities should be spending money on is developing/renovating existing facilities which are past their existing shelf life, and building more swimming pools for the public, establishing better facilities for junior sport, and reducing rates for businesses to help them through this difficult time.
Not spending £100 million on this joke.
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Post by pozza on Apr 22, 2009 18:01:20 GMT 1
Sorry Pozza but Visage did free buses for years and it still struggled to get numbers in (and that was before Tokyo and the resurgence of Camel Club), ultimately it’s closed so that gives an indication to that business model. Jumping Jacks went through a phase of practically giving away drinks, yet still struggled to get enough folk through the door I just don’t see how two out of Town nightclubs could succeed, I mean if Tokyo and Camel Club saw business dipping I’m sure they’d lower prices and kill off the out of Town clubs I went for a night out in Xscape in November and the nightclub there had shut so I suspect business wasn’t that great. The canal you’re talking about is in a dodgy area, i.e. a woman was found dead in the Homebase / Pets at Home retail park last year (which is on the opposite bank of the canal!), not my idea of a place I’d choose to live basically www.examiner.co.uk/news/local-west-yorkshire-news/tm_headline=stabbed-and-dying-in-street&method=full&objectid=19894362&siteid=50060-name_page.html And as I said I think it's it near the red light district and backs onto a giant Communist Soviet Union looking Gas silo I really don’t see this working, and the Council would be better off trying to re-invigorate the complex at Folly Hall IMO rather than let that fall into decay while they jump on to building a new out of Town complex IMO it's a bobbins idea Living outside of Hudders its costing feck all anyways so I dont really care |
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 22, 2009 18:47:38 GMT 1
I don't really think it's aimed to compete with the town centre though. I reckon its going to be aimed at the type of person who wo0uld otherwise go to Xscape! There is no way that Huddersfield would be able to sustain this type of development any other way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2009 19:29:09 GMT 1
i live close to escape,it turned "cas vegas " from an absolute shish hole into quite an average town{a big move} ;D and having just been to the ricoh at cov{best new ground outside the galph} that i ve been to anyway.! well except millenium of course.its the way forward hombres,mightily impressed with the set up there
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Post by Rigodon on Apr 22, 2009 20:12:46 GMT 1
Am very surprised they can get all of that for £100 mill! What will it be made of? shanty-esque development springs to mind! Someone should have sent them to sort wembley out!
n7t - I've asked you about that Hans Christian Andersen park before.. Not heard owt of you or about it since you posted that crummy looking website about it. That still a goer then?? Thought that was on leeds road playin fields..
Sorry bro, but I agree with HT wholeheartedly - this has disaster written all over it. Regen projects are difficult at this time, let alone in the area this is potentially going to happen. I will be surprised if this is even finished to be honest. The stadium itself has taken long enough to bear fruit, hardly the most profiteering of business projects was it? (Thus far..) Bradford City Centre had a far better chance than this ever will and look how that's turned out.
And we we supposed to think Ken was a good businessman? Not with this venture I don't!
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 22, 2009 20:44:56 GMT 1
Time will only one who will judge if it will be a disaster or not. It it is, Davy won't lose a penny, but if it isn't has made a vast fortune. Genious eh?
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Post by bro600 on Apr 22, 2009 20:54:21 GMT 1
Am very surprised they can get all of that for £100 mill! What will it be made of? shanty-esque development springs to mind! Someone should have sent them to sort wembley out! n7t - I've asked you about that Hans Christian Andersen park before.. Not heard owt of you or about it since you posted that crummy looking website about it. That still a goer then?? Thought that was on leeds road playin fields.. Sorry bro, but I agree with HT wholeheartedly - this has disaster written all over it. Regen projects are difficult at this time, let alone in the area this is potentially going to happen. I will be surprised if this is even finished to be honest. The stadium itself has taken long enough to bear fruit, hardly the most profiteering of business projects was it? (Thus far..) Bradford City Centre had a far better chance than this ever will and look how that's turned out. And we we supposed to think Ken was a good businessman? Not with this venture I don't! You're not disagreeing with me! I said it would turn into a white elephant eventually.. Ken Davy has an history of producing glossy brochures about possible future financial gain! He then sells his idea and his part in it and then by the time the shit hits the fan he's moved on to his next financial gain. He is a very good businessman |
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Post by townatheart on Apr 22, 2009 21:02:24 GMT 1
Am very surprised they can get all of that for £100 mill! What will it be made of? shanty-esque development springs to mind! Someone should have sent them to sort wembley out! n7t - I've asked you about that Hans Christian Andersen park before.. Not heard owt of you or about it since you posted that crummy looking website about it. That still a goer then?? Thought that was on leeds road playin fields.. Sorry bro, but I agree with HT wholeheartedly - this has disaster written all over it. Regen projects are difficult at this time, let alone in the area this is potentially going to happen. I will be surprised if this is even finished to be honest. The stadium itself has taken long enough to bear fruit, hardly the most profiteering of business projects was it? (Thus far..) Bradford City Centre had a far better chance than this ever will and look how that's turned out. And we we supposed to think Ken was a good businessman? Not with this venture I don't! You're not disagreeing with me! I said it would turn into a white elephant eventually.. Ken Davy has an history of producing glossy brochures about possible future financial gain! He then sells his idea and his part in it and then by the time the shit hits the fan he's moved on to his next financial gain. He is a very good businessmanthe opportunity is all in the timing I believe is Bro's point, and I can only agree 100% with his line of thinking. KD puts a bit in (that is the risk part), the idea is bigged up, he makes a large profit and then gets out after the initial phase, leaving the white elephant crap project to lose money for all the later investors who are not quite so shrewd shall we say as good old uncle ken. easy peasy he makes a few more millions. whatever he is, dont think it is dumb. |
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Post by nsevent on Apr 22, 2009 21:11:54 GMT 1
And we we supposed to think Ken was a good businessman? Not with this venture I don't! Really?! Its going to cost him sod all with hardly any risk. The whole approach is about defining an audacious end state, which attracts private finance to be strived towards in phases, with the first 'rent' coming in only 12 months after the project physically kicks off. It doesn't really matter if the end game isn't reached, how far along the path it goes just determines how much money the leaseholders will ultimately make...and if it 'fails' - they'll be better off than they are today. |
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Post by hughphamism on Apr 22, 2009 23:05:16 GMT 1
I still can't imagine who will actually want to invest though. It screams bad idea & that's from us. I doubt people outside of Huddersfield will view the place as some thriving metropolis and want to invest.
It says it all that a far smaller development cannot raise the money.
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Post by Dell12 on Apr 22, 2009 23:15:00 GMT 1
I still can't imagine who will actually want to invest though. It screams bad idea & that's from us. I doubt people outside of Huddersfield will view the place as some thriving metropolis and want to invest. It says it all that a far smaller development cannot raise the money. Xscape has certainly worked judging simply from my visits! Surely there are similarities between the two ventures (regeneration of an area etc) That aside though if it doesn't work Davy has lost absolutely nothing, it works and he's made a fortune. The sad thing is work or not we'll get nothing out of it. |
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Post by National Rail on Apr 23, 2009 0:55:22 GMT 1
Its a good job davy thought to protect us from this potentially extremely lucrative development. What a brave gesture it was to take the risk of owning that 40% of KSDL off us and onto himself. I can't believe he even paid us to do it and that £2 must go down as one of the most generous offers of all time! Some cynical , myopic biggoted types might try and make out he only went back on his word and secretly stripped us of our 40% so he could personally own more of this huge development and that he might have been LIEING when he claimed it was to protect us. But I won't hear a word of that! Slapper, the first thing that I agree with you on is that Davy walks on to Bradford Road sometime soon and a 363 sleepy driver mows him down After he signs his will to H.T.F.C that is  |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 23, 2009 9:43:39 GMT 1
The fact they’re still talking about it leads me to think it’s still a possibility – god knows how much has been spent to get this silly idea this far? Vanity ahead of Sanity maybe! No one really knows KD’s plans or exit, development isn’t his background so you could see him looking to sell the land on for a profit and not even get into the nitty gritty of the build, especially given his age. I mean he’ll be in his 70’s before dirt is even broken at this rate of progress! That said given his age and lack of experience in the area I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in for a quick buck, and selling that land to a specialist developer. I guess the price goes up if you have planning consent? As for the development, it smacks of white elephant IMO. Aside from my other points, if there are shops there who precisely are they targeted towards other than the public of Huddersfield and surrounding villages (and wouldn’t that cannibalise sales for the shops in Huddersfield Town centre in any case - bet those shop keepers would love that! ) I mean on the Huddersfield side of Leeds there’s the White Rose Centre and Birstall shopping development On the Huddersfield side of Manchester there’s the Trafford Centre On the Huddersfield side of Sheffield is Meadowhall Who in there right mind will come from these major cities drive 20 miles past these shopping centres just to come to one in Huddersfield! Also to my mind there’s a ski slope in Sheffield and Manchester (not sure on Leeds but Castleford isn’t far from there) The only thing that remotely interests me in the plans in the commercial development, but equally Huddersfield isn’t the only place building commercial properties. I mean drive to the top of the M606 and you’ll see dozens of acres of land being prepared for a development (I guess for commercial use). No doubt others exist locally elsewhere, I mean are all the commercial units in Birstall filled? If they’re not, does that not suggest there isn’t demand for more commercial development within KMC? If there is demand why not redevelop some of the run down buildings in the Town centre, i.e. the Media Centre has been a big success. Hey ho that’s only my opinion and if they can get funding great, but Bradford centre is now literally a massive great hole and has been for years. If Bradford with all it’s grants can’t get an inner city shopping centre properly started (let alone built) I’d love to see the business case for this project, which to my mind will service precisely no one apart from ski fans within 15 miles of Huddersfield - good use of £100m that then Maybe Uncle Ken can go on Dragons Den ;D |
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Post by nsevent on Apr 23, 2009 10:25:17 GMT 1
That said given his age and lack of experience in the area I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in for a quick buck, and selling that land to a specialist developer. I guess the price goes up if you have planning consent? Reminder:- 6th July 2006, KSDL served notice on KEJ LLP of their intention to submit a "change of use from warehouse to indoor sports facility" planning permission against property OWNED by KEJ LLP. How much did KEJ LLP pay for Verbrook House do you think? I saw reports at the time which mentioned figures but can't find them now, although I have a rough idea and I think it was somewhere between £200k and £750k (quite a big range I know, but a couple of figures stuck in my mind for some reason!) And then 6 months later, before planning consent had even been approved, we see that Eddisons had sold Verbrook House to 'representatives of Huddersfield Town' for £2m (after listing it at £1.8m). This has always seemed very dubious to me, given that KEJ LLP *is* Ken Davy. Particularly strange when companies he is a director or chairman of have subsequently transferred share in other property ownership around for LESS than the reported book price. Some questions I always want answered were... 1) Why didn't KEJ LLP sell Verbrook House to "representatives of Huddersfield Town" at a cost that would mean something other than Ken Davy extracting money from that organisation? 2) What are 'representatives of Huddersfield Town'? Does this mean KSDL, who happen by constitution to have a couple of Huddersfield Town directors on their board? 3) How much money, if anything at all, left Huddersfield Town Football Club (not 'representatives of Huddersfield Town', which could mean anything, but the ACTUAL football club business itself) to fund the £2m purchase of Verbrook House. 4) How much money, if anything at all, left Huddersfield Town Footbal Club (not 'representatives of Huddersfield Town', which could mean anything, but the ACTUAL football club business itself) to subsequently fund the development of the Verbrook House site to create the Zone (reportedly a £750k to £1m development if my vague memory is correct, although I can't find any reports now). 5) How much money, if anything at all, continues to leave Huddersfield Town Footbal Club (not 'representatives of Huddersfield Town', which could mean anything, but the ACTUAL football club business itself) in regular or irregular ongoing funding of the Zone facility. 6) How much money, if anything at all, comes into Huddersfield Town Football Club from the Zone? 7) Who *owns* the property now? (not a who 'manages it' question, I know the answer to that) Links:- findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_6784/is_2006_Dec_19/ai_n28393976/www.kirklees.gov.uk/business/planning/Scanned_Applications/Applications%202006/93025/2006_93025_T00_0001.pdf |
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Post by TeamDevil HTAFC on Apr 23, 2009 11:44:23 GMT 1
The fact they’re still talking about it leads me to think it’s still a possibility – god knows how much has been spent to get this silly idea this far? Vanity ahead of Sanity maybe! No one really knows KD’s plans or exit, development isn’t his background so you could see him looking to sell the land on for a profit and not even get into the nitty gritty of the build, especially given his age. I mean he’ll be in his 70’s before dirt is even broken at this rate of progress! That said given his age and lack of experience in the area I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in for a quick buck, and selling that land to a specialist developer. I guess the price goes up if you have planning consent? As for the development, it smacks of white elephant IMO. Aside from my other points, if there are shops there who precisely are they targeted towards other than the public of Huddersfield and surrounding villages (and wouldn’t that cannibalise sales for the shops in Huddersfield Town centre in any case - bet those shop keepers would love that! ) I mean on the Huddersfield side of Leeds there’s the White Rose Centre and Birstall shopping development On the Huddersfield side of Manchester there’s the Trafford Centre On the Huddersfield side of Sheffield is Meadowhall Who in there right mind will come from these major cities drive 20 miles past these shopping centres just to come to one in Huddersfield! Also to my mind there’s a ski slope in Sheffield and Manchester (not sure on Leeds but Castleford isn’t far from there) The only thing that remotely interests me in the plans in the commercial development, but equally Huddersfield isn’t the only place building commercial properties. I mean drive to the top of the M606 and you’ll see dozens of acres of land being prepared for a development (I guess for commercial use). No doubt others exist locally elsewhere, I mean are all the commercial units in Birstall filled? If they’re not, does that not suggest there isn’t demand for more commercial development within KMC? If there is demand why not redevelop some of the run down buildings in the Town centre, i.e. the Media Centre has been a big success. Hey ho that’s only my opinion and if they can get funding great, but Bradford centre is now literally a massive great hole and has been for years. If Bradford with all it’s grants can’t get an inner city shopping centre properly started (let alone built) I’d love to see the business case for this project, which to my mind will service precisely no one apart from ski fans within 15 miles of Huddersfield - good use of £100m that then Maybe Uncle Ken can go on Dragons Den ;D Ditto, Ditto & Ditto again. Speculate and exagerate, reel in a buyer, walk away with cash pot. I'm hopeful that Ken Diddy's plan will be as thin as the paper it's written on. Although, if Town's plan of being in the Premiership in the not too distant future, certain projects around the ground and Town Centre could have mileage...at the end of the day, Huddersfield simply doesn't have the population to support anything like this and visitors from L**Ds & Manchester..............I think not......except on match day.........but they won't spend owt when we beat 'em will they!!!!!  |
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