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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 23, 2009 18:08:36 GMT 1
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackpool/8015075.stmSeeing as though lots of people on this board thought Phil Senior was a much better keeper, Rabs must have been really lucky to get a further two year contract with a Championship team. .......or alternatively (as I suspected at the time) these people might just have been spouting sh8*te  PS Hope this scenario isn't repeated in a couple of years regarding Andy Holdsworth.
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Post by Grandfather Berty of Cleck on Apr 23, 2009 18:11:41 GMT 1
Phil Senior plays for River Plate tho.
Blackpool hardly comparers !!
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Post by E4b on Apr 23, 2009 18:57:12 GMT 1
Blackpool must have a good defence in front of him because he is shite!!
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Post by Rigodon on Apr 23, 2009 18:58:49 GMT 1
Blackpool must have a good defence in front of him because he is shite!! When did he have a decent defense in front of him at town? |
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Post by jstorr13 on Apr 23, 2009 19:28:46 GMT 1
Smithies is better than Rabs.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 23, 2009 19:34:59 GMT 1
Outside the prem I reckon Alex is probably in the top few keepers around and thats fact !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 19:52:08 GMT 1
I couldn't believe at the time people were serious when they thought Senior was better than Rabs. Phil Senior was a poor goalkeeper and it's been proven with the level he's found himself at.
Some of the opinions on goalkeepers on this board are sometimes ridiculous...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 20:18:02 GMT 1
I think most people knew that Rabs was a better keeper than Senior, however I do believe at the time (towards the end of the 05/06 season) Senior deserved his place because Rabs was playing terribly. He put in some of the worst displays I've seen from a Town goalkeeper and cost us some crucial goals.
I think he got too complacent when he moved to Town permanently. Having come from Premiership clubs I think he thought he was better than he was and his career certainly went backwards. He needed a fresh start, and it doesn't surprise me that he's done well at Blackpool because he showed flashes of what he's capable of for us, especially when he first signed on loan.
Senior had his obvious failings, but he never gave anything less than 100% for Town, I definitely could not say the same about Rabs.
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Post by yettonhtfc on Apr 23, 2009 20:27:04 GMT 1
rabs was awesome first game away at oxford
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Post by E4b on Apr 23, 2009 20:48:39 GMT 1
rabs was babs week in week out. He wasn't and probably still isn't fit to lace Senior's boots.
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Post by thisisradioblue on Apr 23, 2009 20:52:24 GMT 1
rabs was a massive factor in us going up int playoffs 04, saving two penalties if i remember correctly...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 20:53:53 GMT 1
rabs was a massive factor in us going up int playoffs 04, saving two penalties if i remember correctly... One penalty. Liam Lawrence did the rest all by himself. |
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Post by specialun on Apr 23, 2009 20:55:53 GMT 1
I think most people knew that Rabs was a better keeper than Senior, however I do believe at the time (towards the end of the 05/06 season) Senior deserved his place because Rabs was playing terribly. He put in some of the worst displays I've seen from a Town goalkeeper and cost us some crucial goals. I think he got too complacent when he moved to Town permanently. Having come from Premiership clubs I think he thought he was better than he was and his career certainly went backwards. He needed a fresh start, and it doesn't surprise me that he's done well at Blackpool because he showed flashes of what he's capable of for us, especially when he first signed on loan. Senior had his obvious failings, but he never gave anything less than 100% for Town, I definitely could not say the same about Rabs. I agree with that Rabs was maginficent on loan in 03/4. The keeper we signed was half that player unfortunately and he had good spells, he also looked a shadow of the loanee. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2009 23:05:42 GMT 1
rabs was babs week in week out. He wasn't and probably still isn't fit to lace Senior's boots. If serious, that's a ridiculous comment. |
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Post by Yorkie on Apr 23, 2009 23:19:25 GMT 1
Agreed, utterly ridiculous. Senior getting the nod for the Chelsea game still annoys me.
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Post by jonnycrutches on Apr 23, 2009 23:28:09 GMT 1
Senior was a great keeper just about a foot too short!
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 24, 2009 1:16:28 GMT 1
Rabs was by far the better keeper of the two. In theory we'd have won at chelsea first time round with him in instead of senior cos rabs would have saved both their goals. But theres no doubt hed lost his confidence altogether for some reason and needed to get away. Anyone remember Rabs at Gillingham that time. Think senior pulled out in the warm up so rabs started. He couldn't keep a single kick on the pitch, it was amazing! All the Gills fans were pissing themselves.
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Post by grist on Apr 24, 2009 6:21:30 GMT 1
Rabs was by far the better keeper of the two. In theory we'd have won at chelsea first time round with him in instead of senior cos rabs would have saved both their goals. But theres no doubt hed lost his confidence altogether for some reason and needed to get away. Anyone remember Rabs at Gillingham that time. Think senior pulled out in the warm up so rabs started. He couldn't keep a single kick on the pitch, it was amazing! All the Gills fans were pissing themselves. That is absolutely spot on. Confidence is such a vital element in a keeper's makeup and yet, with the help of the Town faithful, Rabs managed to lose his. With confidence Rabs was capable of being amongst the best, as some of his displays showed, but without it he was a complete liability. Another victory for the boo boys. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 24, 2009 6:39:27 GMT 1
rabs was babs week in week out. He wasn't and probably still isn't fit to lace Senior's boots. If serious, that's a ridiculous comment. I'm afraid it's probably serious HRN. It should also be remembered there were a lot of people who held this view (the only explanation I could ever come up with was that PS seemed a very nice local lad who clearly tried his heart out - the fact he was clearly not (or ever likely to be TBH) good enough was just unfortunate). It is only with the benefit of hindsight and the respective movements in Rabs' and PS' careers (how many divisions separate them now five??) that it can be demonstrated how ridiculous some of the comparisons were. There are are some strange views on this board at times. Whilst it now seems generally accepted Stan Ternent's reign was a disaster, earlier in 2008/9 (& well into the season) there were many on this board who wouldn't hear a bad word said about him (Remember the "Happy Clappers" ??) even to the point of defending his signing policies (the collecting of central midfield players & little else) & team selection against Tranmere. Personally I put the scale of the recent criticism of Andy Holdsworth in the same ludicrous category as support for PS & ST. I only hope he doesn't have to leave for another club for this view to be proven to be correct. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 24, 2009 10:16:32 GMT 1
At Town Rabs right deserved dropping, maybe he had a touch of Scott McDonald big time charlie itus but for whatever reason being released by Town was probably the kick he needed.
On loan he was excellent (i.e. his best performance came on loan at Northampton). When he signed full time he was a disaster frankly considering he was at the time a big signing and was a lot more memorable for his poor games as opposed to his good ones. If we’d had Glennon in 05/06 I think we would have gone up automatically such was Rabs as a weak link IMO
I don’t blame the fans either, unless you blame them for Rabs coming back to pre-season over weight one season!
Senior was dependable and during the first half of 2006 put in some excellent performances, e.g. Swansea away on Sky. Contrast to Rabs who at the same time couldn’t kick straight, catch a cross or hold a shot (as shown in the play off second leg!)
Senior pound for pound is as good a keeper as Smithies IMO (i.e. Lilleshall graduate), the shame is that he’s about 3 inches too small and about a stone too slight to make it in the same way Smithies will.
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Post by ram on Apr 24, 2009 11:01:40 GMT 1
Best Keeper {Most promising} I saw in a Town Shirt was Richard Taylor.I was Behind the goal {Kilner Bank end}when he fell on his back on the ball,finished his career! would have gone on to England greatness,that lad!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2009 12:29:13 GMT 1
Senior pound for pound is as good a keeper as Smithies IMO (i.e. Lilleshall graduate), the shame is that he’s about 3 inches too small and about a stone too slight to make it in the same way Smithies will. WHAT?  Phil Senior was the same height and weight as Fabien Barthez - It didn't hold Barthez back from being a french international did it?? Phil Senior was NOT a good goalkeeper. He made routine saves look spectacular, couldn't reach the half way line with his goalkicking, couldn't claim crosses and was slow off of his line. For some decent and heart warming performances there were some absolute horror shows such as Darlington at home (worst goal I've ever seen us concede I think.. There have been a few ), Brentford and Bristol Rovers away. Phil was a great character and everyone wanted him to succeed but he was not a good goalkeeper and in no where near the same class as Alex Smithies. The fact Phil Senior plays a few divisions above me (I'm a 5ft10" keeper the same as Phil btw) says enough to me. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 24, 2009 13:28:58 GMT 1
Senior pound for pound is as good a keeper as Smithies IMO (i.e. Lilleshall graduate), the shame is that he’s about 3 inches too small and about a stone too slight to make it in the same way Smithies will. Phil Senior was NOT a good goalkeeper. He made routine saves look spectacular, couldn't reach the half way line with his goalkicking, couldn't claim crosses and was slow off of his line. For some decent and heart warming performances there were some absolute horror shows such as Darlington at home (worst goal I've ever seen us concede I think.. There have been a few ), Brentford and Bristol Rovers away. Phil was a great character and everyone wanted him to succeed but he was not a good goalkeeper and in no where near the same class as Alex Smithies. The fact Phil Senior plays a few divisions above me (I'm a 5ft10" keeper the same as Phil btw) says enough to me. I stated when the Rabs / Senior debate was at it's height that the Darlington mistake was the worst goalkeeping error I'd ever seen a Town keeper make (with the Bristol Rovers one probably second) and nothing has changed my mind since. I ofton wondered whether the fact the error resulted in the first Town defeat my (then) 8 year old ever saw (It was Feb in his first season with a ST, only our second home defeat and I'd only been allowed to take him to two away games) had coloured my judgement so it's good to see at least one person agrees with me. One of the other arguments I used to get into on this board was re his height. The club always said he was 5 11 tall. I'm glad you confirm he was smaller (although TBH I still think "An estage agent's ruler" was used to measure him). |
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Post by midge on Apr 24, 2009 13:39:44 GMT 1
If serious, that's a ridiculous comment. I'm afraid it's probably serious HRN. It should also be remembered there were a lot of people who held this view (the only explanation I could ever come up with was that PS seemed a very nice local lad who clearly tried his heart out - the fact he was clearly not (or ever likely to be TBH) good enough was just unfortunate). It is only with the benefit of hindsight and the respective movements in Rabs' and PS' careers (how many divisions separate them now five??) that it can be demonstrated how ridiculous some of the comparisons were. There are are some strange views on this board at times. Whilst it now seems generally accepted Stan Ternent's reign was a disaster, earlier in 2008/9 (& well into the season) there were many on this board who wouldn't hear a bad word said about him (Remember the "Happy Clappers" ??) even to the point of defending his signing policies (the collecting of central midfield players & little else) & team selection against Tranmere. Personally I put the scale of the recent criticism of Andy Holdsworth in the same ludicrous category as support for PS & ST. I only hope he doesn't have to leave for another club for this view to be proven to be correct. **********YAWN***********  |
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Post by townhopper on Apr 24, 2009 13:48:50 GMT 1
Senior, WAS SH*TE simple as that crap crap crap only just very slightly better than Scott Beven if thats how you spell the slap heads name
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 24, 2009 14:14:31 GMT 1
Sorry but Senior is only the second Town player ever to go to Lilleshall, the other was Simon Charlton. Technically the best youth coaches in the country tend to disagree with the judgement he was merely crap, as they saw something to award him such a prestigious scholarship. Admittedly he made a couple errors (like all keepers do, I mean England’s current number has the nickname “Calamity James”) but I think the stats of the time showed we kept more clean sheets when Senior played than when Rabs did.
This time three years ago he was the better keeper but neither he or Rabs at that time were League One standard. I don’t care how Rabchukba plays for Blackpool, for Town he was poor and IMO played within himself and let us as fans down by doing so, I don’t see how you can dispute this point given what he’s doing now elsewhere. If you want to praise Rabs for that while knocking Senior always gave his best in a Town jersey so be it – odd logic to me!
I’ll always stick up for lads who give there best and Senior falls into that category
Rabs, I couldn’t care less, a bit like his attitude at Town IMO!
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Post by townhopper on Apr 24, 2009 19:01:55 GMT 1
huddsterrier, Your IMO is as crap as senior was
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Apr 25, 2009 9:22:20 GMT 1
huddsterrier, Your IMO is as crap as senior was Thanks your opinion means a lot to me. |
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Phil Senior was the same height and weight as Fabien Barthez - It didn't hold Barthez back from being a french international did it??
